Topic: [Awesome Miner] - Powerful Windows GUI to manage and monitor up to 200000 miners - page 569. (Read 703512 times)

I've uploaded a new definition file for those running the development version. I will also release a new development version within the next 12h where it's included.

These are good ideas for improving the profit switcher, but some of them will require quite some thinking and development effort to get right.

With the latest development release you can define a profit factor (1 = 100%, 0.995 = 99.5%) for per algorithm and per online service pool (nicehash, zpool, MPH). You define this in Options dialog, Online Services section.

Here, installed again 3.2.1 and same issue, would not load, uninstalled and reinstalled 3.2, works great.

Hey Handsome,

Do you will update Claymore to 9.8 through Awesome Miner? It's been a few days...

I like the remote update.

I am proposing some enhancements to AM:

• Undo retirement of ccminer-1.5.81_1 (SP-Mod 1.5.81)
  It is much faster (3x!! on GTX 1080ti) on keccak, but useless on almost any other algo :-(
• Option to start miner sw as window (as is) OR minimized
• Option to specify any type of miner software, preferrably one per algo.
  Some miner sw is considerable faster on a specific algo than others (e.g.
   - For miner sw with cmdline switches the entire commandline should be configurable using variables:
      eg. "-a %ALGO% -i 31 -o %URL% -u %USER% -p x -b 0.0.0.0:4028 -x 1 -y 2 -z 3"
   - For miner sw using jason the jason file should be configurable using variables
• Option to run two (or more) miner instances on the same GPU, but so that
  the miner sw does not get switched (when using profit switching) on all instances @ same time
  Instead there should be a delay before the miner sw gets switched on the next instance (to the now most profitable algo!).
  e.g.:
  1. switch miner sw / algo on first instance
  2. wait some time (configurable, e.g. 30 secs or 'profit switching interval / number of miner instances')
  3. update profit list and dermine most profitable algo
  4. on the next instance: if most profitable alto is different from the currently executed one then switch miner sw / algo
  5. loop to 2 ... next instance
  Why? I run two miner instances on the same GPU so I never loose hash time when swiching miner sw (e.g DAG preparation takes ages, before mining begins)
• Cumulated summary per miner group

I do agree that those running large scale mining operations typically don't use the normal profit switcher, as they typically do more analysis of what is profitable long term. That is also the reason why it took quite some time before Awesome Miner got a decent profit switcher built in - it was simply not a priority by those with larger number of miners.

As I stated in my previous post, it's more common to use custom C# scripting for some of these users. I assume that some customers already today are creating scripts with the kind of forward thinking you do above.

You are making good points in your post above, and it's good input for me to improve Awesome Miner. I know that custom C# scripting isn't for everyone and there can be more user friendly ways that Awesome Miner can support the scenarios you describe above.

Good point. But for WhatToMine, if the author is adding all coins automatically to the combined coins.json file requested by Awesome Miner, there isn't much need to specify individual coin files from WhatToMine. It's only right now before that's in place on WhatToMine it could make sense.

For other statistics sources out there like coin explorers, they all provide slightly different API's so there is no single standard here, making it difficult to have generic support for it in Awesome Miner. Your suggestion to define rules for JSON processing is however taking care of that scenario, so that idea is for sure something I will consider. Thanks!

What some of the larger customers of Awesome Miner is doing is to write their own C# scripts inside Awesome Miner, where they pull JSON data from whatever sources they want, process it and then using the C# scripting API in Awesome Miner to update the coin profitability statistics. This is for sure more complex, but it gives full flexibility and can support any data source out there, do any calculations and also combine data from multiple sources into a single coin.

Maybe multiple JSON requests should be used to update different aspects of a coin, because block explorers give some information, while you need exchange data for others.

Yes it's mainly for ASIC's and yes you should have at least 2 or 3 pools to have something to switch between. If you have an Antminer for example, it only supports a single algorithm so no need to use Profit profiles to specify hashrates. How to get it to work is still only to check the checkbox "Enable with profile" and leave it at default profile in the External Miner Properties.

Those kind of proxy features at not available in Awesome Miner

Was this on the Systems tab for a Managed Miner you could see AMD, while you had nVidia GPU's only?

Some possible issues concerning AM and profit switching on miningpoolhub when using auto exchange to some other coin.

I believe AM uses the BTC equivalent value with calculating highest profit coin at any particular time. On miningpoolhub, when using auto exchange to another coin, even when the auto exchanging to BTC, miningpoolhub has additional delays that has to be considered. Normally coins mines are initially unconfirmed, then confirmed; but with auto exchange they are then automatically place on the exchange to be converted to the desired coin, then finally deposited into the desired coin some time later. The more coins being auto exchanged, the faster this process completes. The time it takes for some coins to be exchanged can be very long if they have a very small balance because miningpoolhub bundles multiple small accounts of other miners together until there is enough to efficiently exchange them. I have seen small balances take days to exchange and of course the profit switching calculation will be completely off at that point because it was based in part on the BTC exchange rate at the time it was mined. On small mining rigs, profit switching to a coin that produces a small balance and then switches away too quickly is a problem because you can end up with such small coin balances on some coins that effectively never exchange until days or weeks later.

Setting AM to only switch once every several hours might partially resolve this issue, but is not optimal profit switching.

Can AM be told that any particular coin is set up as an auto exchange to another coin and then account for that by: 1) factoring in the conversion to the destination coin value when determining when to switch to that coin; 2) set that coin to always mine for a minimum duration (possibly) or minimum profit (best option) to improve the chance that there are enough coins to auto exchange quickly even if it would otherwise indicate that a profit switch is indicated. (i.e. a switch away from a low coin mining too quickly effectively reduces the profit of that coin to 0).

Example: Let's say I have SiaCoin set to auto exchange to ETH on miningpoolhub. I would like to be able to inform AM that I have this set and have it factor that into the profit calculation (i.e. consider the BTC/Day/GH/s factor by 0.5% loss for the auto exchange, or whatever). And also set SiaCoin so that when AM switches to it that it will mine it for at least enough to achieve some number of ETH, (i.e. 0.01 ETH) thereby practically guaranteeing that the auto exchange happens quickly.

That's a good idea Storx.  I support that.

Patrike,

I have been promoting AM on steemit a lot lately and the various mining places i hang out on, one feature that has been brought up to me by more so the larger mining groups is adding the ability to mine coins based on difficulty...

Like add a "Manage Difficulty Miner" miner...

Many of the larger miners could care less about the profit switching side of mining, they are usually not needing the income today as the reason for profit switching is to place you on the more profitable coin current based on usually the value of the coin rising or difficulty dropping way down, but usually its because the value of the coin is super high based on the sharerate you mine at netting you the most profit if you switching it to btc automatic on a real time basis.

The larger miners i talked to told me they are more interested in the ability to add new coins and algo's on release date, which is already an option and the ability to mine low difficulty coins, not algos...
So this miner would not only have selections for which algo to mine, but which coin to mine, which would not work on pools that combine coins under a single mining port. They could setup the pools for each coin as part of setup and add new on the fly, then based on the select few they are interested in mining it would mine the coins with the lowest difficulty based on rules, netting them more coins in their pocket for that day

Example given to me...

Signatum: in a few days its dropping down from 2500 block reward to 1250 block reward size, so the profits on this coin will basically cut in half initially, so the difficulty on mining this coin is very key to longer term profits for the larger miners...

have a list of all the coins, then rules next to them

Ex:
Skunk - Signatum - Active if difficulty below XXXXX, mining weight xxxx
Equihash - Zen - Active if difficulty below XXXXXX, mining weight xxxx

So basically if the difficulty for that current mined block is below the rules amount, it would place it on a list to mine, then based off the few that make it on that list we could then use the mining weight assigned on a scale of 1 to maybe 100 to determine which one to mine on that smaller list....

What this would do is allow the larger miners who mine coins directly without auto conversion to mine them at the most efficient rates they can since difficulty plays a large role in this... with the goal of exchanging them later when they are more profitable. The mining weight variables would put it on the user to weight which coins they would prefer to mine over others if the difficulty level drops down low enough to be worth mining.

This is why i think it would be better to create a template design similar to the way you added the ability to add new algos to online services. Literally every website whattomine, coinmarketcap, etc... all those websites are pulling data from the coin explorers... i dont see why we cant just pull the data from the coin explorers for each individual coin. The amount of data being transferred from a json request is very minimal honestly. This would reduce the requirement to pull all this data from whattomine.

Example: SIGT

Add a 4th option under the "optional section"
Labeled: Json Profitability Calculator Properties

JSON URL:

Then add the ability to dictate within the data the values are found, maybe add a pull data button, which would pull in data and dynamically fill in empty boxes with data detected after each comma, then check the parts the data is found in and assign it to difficulty, block reward, and price....

idk maybe it would be easier to just had a preprogrammed option with just the whattomine json format already formatted, all the user does is add the new coin json url and it populates the rest.... You could set this as an non default option so the users can do it when new coins come out if they are dedicated to mining enough update it daily like this on new coins.

pick one of the PC to be the main PC only install Awesome Miner Installer http://www.awesomeminer.com/download/setup/AwesomeMiner.msi on the main PC1 that does all the configuring  then install only the Awesome Miner Remote Agent http://www.awesomeminer.com/download/setup/AwesomeMinerRemoteService.msi on PC2 an on PC 2 you may have to make sure you have Remote Desktop Connection tuned on or did at some point not sure if you still have to and i would turn on Remote Desktop Connection on PC1 encase you want to use MSI RemoteServer, i turn on Remote Desktop Connection by default because i use it for more then AWESOME Miner. after you install Awesome Miner Remote Agent start it  reboot PC2 to be safe. then go the main PC1 and set up managed miners http://www.awesomeminer.com/help/managedwizard.aspx then you should see in the main UI window on PC1 all your miner you set up with the managed miner wizard with red stopped messages that means the remote PC/s and main PC are online and ready to mine , right click one of them, hit start if it was set up right it should run ... link on how to turn on Remote Desktop Connection in windows  10 https://www.groovypost.com/howto/setup-use-remote-desktop-windows-10/ the rest should fall in place once you start playing with AM .. if not just ask again I'm sure some one can help   with all most any thing to do with AM aka awesome miner .

AWESOME MINER ONLY works with windows including the Awesome Miner Remote Agent and managed miners only works with GPU's right now . some other set ups work with external miners/network miners but there is limits on what you can use in the right click menu with external miners/network miners that don't run the Awesome Miner Remote Agent with managed miners.

Hi to community.

Would like to ask for help with the configuration of miner and remote agent...
The setup is:
Comp1: Awesome Miner installed, and controls local mining rig (the same machine)
Comp2: Awesome Miner installed, and controls local mining rig (the same machine)
The task: on the Comp1 I need to monitor the status of mining from Comp2. Just monitoring, no remote miner startup/shutdown. How to do this? Do I need to install Remote Agent on the Comp2? How to setup the 2nd miner in the Awesome Miner, on Comp1? (should I add the Comp2 as "external miner" or as "managed miner"?)
Tried to read the documentation, but still confused about this...

Thanks in advance.

The The External Profit Switcher is really intended for ASIC miners like Antminers and similar.  both my ASIC Scrpt miners are similar in that one uses BFG 5.42 one uses CGMINER 3.9 that does support priority operations

SO i need three pools at least of three Different coins ? .  that still really doesn't explain how to get to work . do i need to do any thing to the default profile ? . can i make my own profile or should I ? .

SO make sure i have three pools set up and turn on the profit switching  profile for the External  miner and leave it set to default and that's it ? . and  pretty much all it does is pick the most profitable one  at start up uses that pools and stays there from the pools set up in on the External  miner . cool .. i was looking for some thing like the proxy i linked were i can set each pool on it's own timer , I was hoping AM could do that without the proxy or  switch to AM own pool group with timers on each pool like the proxy does but without a proxy if that's makes sense. . like Pool one is 90 mins the pools 2 is 90  then pools is 3 90 mins then once that's done it starts the process again and ofc that really only makes any thing if the pool is PPS or the pools can be set to PPS . you might think that won't make any thing but it does as long as the pools are PPS . the reason i asked without the  proxy is the proxy seems to not work right at times or slows down over time . but im sure that is because of a lack updates to that proxy software . and if AM can use it owns pools groups but not effect the miner like the proxy does I'll bet more would love it ..   how i join the proxy is use a address some thing like stratum+tcp://192.168.1.206:3333 on the miner then the proxy does the rest and uses the pool group I set up with the proxy . the miner all ways stays on stratum+tcp://192.168.1.206:3333 while the proxy points to each pools timer . cool if am can't do that and i don't blame you for not offering that for External miner it seems like that might be a lot of work to put in but when you offer that cloud thing i saw a few pages back i might bug you then and id even pay a monthly fee as long as it's reason able because i know the updates won't stop.

I'm not really looking to profit switch more like switch to pools i set on a timer for any kind of miner I wish the Dev of that other software would DEv it again I'm sure others would gladly pay him . there is all ready a service for GPU rigs that can profit switch and sell,  you pay for , i think it can sell for you now the DEV was working on it, if you happen to mine junk coins or sell to the most profit able coin at the time .

I like AM much better sense I'm not really into profit switching but i may give AM's profit switching for GPU's a go to see how it works . I did try the dual mining in AM with CM ether miner that was cool...

 AM Still sees my NV CARD As a AMD CARD if I mix cards , i said some thing about a while back to fix it, i don't mix cards .

I forgot to add i have that proxy software running on a PI so basically it is my own proxy running in my home i join with the miner  etc and it can run on windows or you can run if off a windows box i have done it , PI are so much better at it to bad PI's can't  run windows like on a normal PC like LINUX desktop does . .

Awesome Miner is not using the individual json files for each coin, because that would be too much hardcoding in Awesome Miner and too many requests sent to the WhatToMine web server.

I'm currently working with the author of WhatToMine to get more coins from the standard coins.json API or similar from WhatToMine. This is really the best solution, because I want any coin that is getting added to WhatToMine to automatically show up in Awesome Miner. That concept works already today, but the WhatToMine coins-API doesn't include some of the new coins.

Another small improvement in the next development release:



The coins at the bottom can be changed

The External Profit Switcher is really intended for ASIC miners like Antminers and similar. If you have GPU systems, you should run them as Managed Miners with the Managed Profit Switcher.

Awesome Miner will not add new pools or remove pools from your miner when using the External Profit Switcher. If you have 3 pools defined, those will still be there all the time, even when the profit switcher is operating. So what the profit switcher is doing is "Operates by changing priorities of existing pools of an already running External Miner". Most ASIC's, including Antminers and some mining software supports this priority operations. Awesome Miner will simply instruct the miner to prioritize the one of the three pools that has the highest profitability.

The pool priority order might look like this from the beginning:
LitecoinPool, Nicehash Scrypt, zpool Scrypt.
After the profit switcher executed and figured out that Nicehash was better, it will send Pool Priority command to the miner and instruct it to use the following priority:
Nicehash Scrypt, zpool Scrypt, LitecoinPool.

As you can see, no change to the pools (none added, none removed). Just a change of priorities.

I can see if I can improve the instructions for this, but from a configuration point of view, it's really only one single setting that needs to be enabled, and that's the one you have in the guide already:
http://www.awesomeminer.com/help/profitswitching.aspx#awesomeprofit

Let's say you have an Antminer L3+ that do scrypt mining, and that we assume you already have 3 pools added to this miner. So when you go to the Pools tab in the main window of Awesome Miner, you will see your 3 pools. If you only have one, make sure you add more. There is no automatic step to just enter a bitcoin address as for the Managed Profit Switcher, instead you need to add your own pools with URL's and worker names. Example of pools can be a Litecoin pool, the Nicehash Scrypt pool and the zpool Scrypt pool.

Once you have some pools defined for a miner, and you have activated the profit switcher for the External Miner according to the single step described on the link above, the profit switcher will be working. It will calculate the profitability of all the pools of the External Miner and instruct the Antminer to prioritize the pool with the highest profitability.

For this feature to work, and also to make changes to the pools from Awesome Miner, the Antminers must run in privileged API mode.

Please let me know more details on where you got stuck in getting this feature to work.

(Edit: See my post below as well)

What I've done now is to implement support for specifying dual mining hashrates in addition to the standard hashrates. I've updated the profit switcher to both consider Ethereum and all other coins with standard hashrates, then calculate if dual mining hashrate of Ethereum plus any of the dual mining hashrates of the 4 secondary coins gives higher profitability.

With these changes, I think your initial request has been covered. The implementation will be part of the next development release that is expected to be available within the next few days.