from reddit today/yesterday:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/46170h/introducing_the_bw_14nm_asic_chip_bwlk1401/d01n15h
https://i.imgur.com/vXBHfd3.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ELm0ahd.jpg
does not look like this:
https://www.bw.com/pool/miner
full album: http://imgur.com/a/WHajz
Topic: B-Eleven sha-256 ASIC miner - page 4. (Read 14775 times)
Not sure what went on at BW.com this Morning but they dropped 25PH at 02:00?
Rich
Rich
hmmm...so they are selling 'hash' only in the above link and individual miners later (after their data hall etc above runs btc difficulty up for a few months)
(assuming I have this correct Chinese link and all)
I think we have probably seen most of the hit from the hash Investment miners as BW.com has grown from 50PH to nearly 100PH over the last Month. Does not have to be B11 of course as it is a public Pool, but it would be reasonable for them to get them up and running mining for themselves first?
This is the latest info.
https://www.bw.com/news/show-64
Rich
BW have restated that they Phase 1 B11 Hash investors will stop receiving interest and start earning mining income on Feb 11. So looks like the added BW.com Hash over the last Month was probably B11 miners coming on line. I wonder when we will see a proper picture / specification and when they will start selling miners?
Rich
Rich
hmmm...so they are selling 'hash' only in the above link and individual miners later (after their data hall etc above runs btc difficulty up for a few months)
(assuming I have this correct Chinese link and all)
BW have restated that they Phase 1 B11 Hash investors will stop receiving interest and start earning mining income on Feb 11. So looks like the added BW.com Hash over the last Month was probably B11 miners coming on line. I wonder when we will see a proper picture / specification and when they will start selling miners?
Rich
Rich
B11 & B12 are now closed to investment, however you can buy on the secondary market. Main Difference is when the Miners will start hashing and the guaranteed return amount.
See the FAQ at the bottom of the page here.
https://www.bw.com/beleven
And supplementary Instructions here for further info.
https://www.bw.com/news/show-54
Covers most things, that is most of the info I have, any gaps let me know and I will attempt to answer od give you my guess.
Rich
See the FAQ at the bottom of the page here.
https://www.bw.com/beleven
And supplementary Instructions here for further info.
https://www.bw.com/news/show-54
Covers most things, that is most of the info I have, any gaps let me know and I will attempt to answer od give you my guess.
Rich
Hi all
I'm looking for some information about bw. But i have some hard time figure out what's the ROI over bw cloud mining product .
I found out about trading fee , but nothing about income per day and per TH ? what are the electricity or maintenance fee ?
what's the diffeence between hash investment and b12 or B11 hash investement ?
is ther some graph about the price I can find somewhere ?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
I'm looking for some information about bw. But i have some hard time figure out what's the ROI over bw cloud mining product .
I found out about trading fee , but nothing about income per day and per TH ? what are the electricity or maintenance fee ?
what's the diffeence between hash investment and b12 or B11 hash investement ?
is ther some graph about the price I can find somewhere ?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Hash rate at BW.com has been creeping up again over the last few days with another chunk Today taking it from 70PH a Week ago to 86PH. Could be anyone but if they are going to meet the Feb 11 date that's only 2 Weeks away and would make sense to mine for themselves a bit first?
Rich
Rich
I would say they are bringing the B11 online. They were scheduled to launch the first mining stage for B11 purchasers Feb 11th so I bet they are bringing them online between now and then.
Just noticed that BW.com added 15PH this morning at 04:00. Could be B11 Miners coming on line? They are however a public pool so could be anyone, but have never seen this much Hash added in one go before?
Rich
Rich
Antpool is having problems so its the backup pool I guess.
Just noticed that BW.com added 15PH this morning at 04:00. Could be B11 Miners coming on line? They are however a public pool so could be anyone, but have never seen this much Hash added in one go before?
Rich
Rich
R&D is done and it sounds like this miner will be out for sale by the end of January 2016 to early February 2016 with no more information released. I was told updates will be made via their website for price or if there are any delays.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
So 30 more days to wait for it.
Maybe it is why bitmaintech dropped price on the batch 9 and scheduled it to ship at the end of january
R&D is done and it sounds like this miner will be out for sale by the end of January 2016 to early February 2016 with no more information released. I was told updates will be made via their website for price or if there are any delays.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
So 30 more days to wait for it.
Maybe it is why bitmaintech dropped price on the batch 9 and scheduled it to ship at the end of january
R&D is done and it sounds like this miner will be out for sale by the end of January 2016 to early February 2016 with no more information released. I was told updates will be made via their website for price or if there are any delays.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
Also talks of a B13 hash opening but no confirmation from their management. I personally feel like these will be competively priced to the S7.
$500/TH would be higher than what Bitmain wants for the S7 - which is ALREADY iffy to achieve RoI unless you have very very cheap electric.
The published specs show the B-Eleven being a hair LESS efficient than the S7, so it's both going to return less per TH and cost more per TH than the S7, making it HARDER to achieve RoI on it than the S7.
This is the first time Lketc would have designed their own ASIC - previous Lketc miners used Innosilicon chips.
They have a good track record with miner design, no track record with ASIC design - which puts them one step ahead of Gridseed/SFards.
The published specs show the B-Eleven being a hair LESS efficient than the S7, so it's both going to return less per TH and cost more per TH than the S7, making it HARDER to achieve RoI on it than the S7.
This is the first time Lketc would have designed their own ASIC - previous Lketc miners used Innosilicon chips.
They have a good track record with miner design, no track record with ASIC design - which puts them one step ahead of Gridseed/SFards.
It would appear that the chips (probably Innosilicon A3) used in it are not "full custom" 14/16nm, but rather are "standard cell" type which is a lot faster and more reliable to design at the cost of lower performance/efficiency.
100% SCAM....after KnC, Butterfly labs and etc. who the fuck will purchase a miner (rendered wtf) from chinese site
Lketc is part-owner of bw.com - doubtfull this is a scam with the track record Lketc has.
The one quote I've seen so far on price was "0.76 BTC per TH" - nowhere near the $500/TH that the OP mentions.
At $500/TH this would not be a competative design at all, with ZERO chance of achieving RoI even on very cheap electric.
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100% SCAM....after KnC, Butterfly labs and etc. who the fuck will purchase a miner (rendered wtf) from chinese site
Lketc is part-owner of bw.com - doubtfull this is a scam with the track record Lketc has.
The one quote I've seen so far on price was "0.76 BTC per TH" - nowhere near the $500/TH that the OP mentions.
At $500/TH this would not be a competative design at all, with ZERO chance of achieving RoI even on very cheap electric.
how do you figure?
I personally think they have these miners for testing atm, and will reach their anticipated in house launch date of Jan 1, 2016. I am pretty excited for the B12 offering they have once it goes live, and think if they in fact do produce this hardware miner for the public it will be competitively priced.
Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
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“The miners are now available for pre-order at a price of 0.87 BTC with a minimum order of 333 miners which is 1 petahash,” Virgilio Lizardo Jr., Head of International at Bitbank told Bitcoin Magazine in an exclusive interview. “This price will be available until November 11, 2015. This winter, the miners will be available with no minimum order required; the price at this time has not been decided yet.”
I am interpreting the 0.87BTC as being per TH and was for "Large Orders", with no indication of what a one off order might be?. However that article was back in October when BTC was about $260 so that could be good news? Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
A lot is still in the air with this miner. They pre-sold a LOT of gear they will do their own cloud. That no doubt will be first to go up.
From there it will open up to public I think. But we still don't know size, price, etc. We have not even seen a prototype. So there are to many unknowns to really do any good guesses.
So just pulling together all of the history. B11 & now B12 is BW.com third "cloud funded" pre-sold hash investment. I assume that the earlier ones, B1 & B9, were based on previous generations of LK Group hardware and as far as I can establish they were profitable for the investors. What I do not know is on the earlier ventures what the lag was between taking the money and miners coming online?
As I understand it the B11 ASIC's have again been designed by the original team at LK Group, using Samsung 14nm FinFET with BW.com designing the Miner itself.
People had put a lot of money in with nothing other than the Financial details, so they seem to trust BW to deliver. Some time later we saw the very poor renders along with a spec with major omissions from the details including the number of chips etc. Only other information to emerge was from the Bitcoin Magazine article shown above. Finally we had the info from 51ASIC chips will be available on December 14 and that they expected a sample miner at the end of December.
Here's hoping that it all goes well and that they do make B11 available to the home market at sensible prices.
Rich
I personally think they have these miners for testing atm, and will reach their anticipated in house launch date of Jan 1, 2016. I am pretty excited for the B12 offering they have once it goes live, and think if they in fact do produce this hardware miner for the public it will be competitively priced.
Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
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“The miners are now available for pre-order at a price of 0.87 BTC with a minimum order of 333 miners which is 1 petahash,” Virgilio Lizardo Jr., Head of International at Bitbank told Bitcoin Magazine in an exclusive interview. “This price will be available until November 11, 2015. This winter, the miners will be available with no minimum order required; the price at this time has not been decided yet.”
I am interpreting the 0.87BTC as being per TH and was for "Large Orders", with no indication of what a one off order might be?. However that article was back in October when BTC was about $260 so that could be good news? Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
A lot is still in the air with this miner. They pre-sold a LOT of gear they will do their own cloud. That no doubt will be first to go up.
From there it will open up to public I think. But we still don't know size, price, etc. We have not even seen a prototype. So there are to many unknowns to really do any good guesses.
I personally think they have these miners for testing atm, and will reach their anticipated in house launch date of Jan 1, 2016. I am pretty excited for the B12 offering they have once it goes live, and think if they in fact do produce this hardware miner for the public it will be competitively priced.
Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
Quote
“The miners are now available for pre-order at a price of 0.87 BTC with a minimum order of 333 miners which is 1 petahash,” Virgilio Lizardo Jr., Head of International at Bitbank told Bitcoin Magazine in an exclusive interview. “This price will be available until November 11, 2015. This winter, the miners will be available with no minimum order required; the price at this time has not been decided yet.”
I am interpreting the 0.87BTC as being per TH and was for "Large Orders", with no indication of what a one off order might be?. However that article was back in October when BTC was about $260 so that could be good news? Rich
This is a little worrying to me as far as getting our hands on them since it appears they may only want to produce large quantity orders. If they do in fact offer some 10 MOQ orders I will def be interested with their prices speculatively looking pretty attractive with bitcoin now at $420 and climbing.
One early post mentioned $500/TH, which WOULD be high - but I doubt the actual price when it's released will be that high, unless the price of Bitcoin keeps pushing up.
I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.
I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.
I can get a used 'ebay high priced' knc neptune 3.5TH unit for around 750 bucks buy it now ...RIGHT NOW at 1250 watts I think they are?
So that price is not too attractive for something maybe months away imho
a recent sold example below
http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-NEPTUNE-Bitcoin-Miner-Set-/361435838266?hash=item542741373a:g:xyQAAOSwv-NWVJQB
anyway just saying they probably will have to do better then that ..unless your elec is so damn cheap (3c-4c kwh) you'll make money on that price for equip anyway
so MAN they will have to really really dump the price per TH down with the above comparison imho
First batch of B11 Hash Contracts were 0.76BTC/TH, next batch were 0.78BTC/TH although I not think they were all sold as BW replaced them with B12 which started at and is now at 0.5BTC/TH but was adjusted with exchange fluctuations and at one point was at 0.65BTC/TH.
I agree the $500 should just be ignored and the only "real" price I have seen is the one Bitcoin Magazine article I refered to earlier.
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“The miners are now available for pre-order at a price of 0.87 BTC with a minimum order of 333 miners which is 1 petahash,” Virgilio Lizardo Jr., Head of International at Bitbank told Bitcoin Magazine in an exclusive interview. “This price will be available until November 11, 2015. This winter, the miners will be available with no minimum order required; the price at this time has not been decided yet.”
I am interpreting the 0.87BTC as being per TH and was for "Large Orders", with no indication of what a one off order might be?. However that article was back in October when BTC was about $260 so that could be good news?
Rich
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