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legendary
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December 09, 2015, 07:31:45 AM
#74
One early post mentioned $500/TH, which WOULD be high - but I doubt the actual price when it's released will be that high, unless the price of Bitcoin keeps pushing up.

 I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.

I can get a used 'ebay high priced' knc neptune 3.5TH unit for around 750 bucks buy it now ...RIGHT NOW at 1250 watts I think they are?

So that price is not too attractive for something maybe months away imho Smiley

 a recent sold example below

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-NEPTUNE-Bitcoin-Miner-Set-/361435838266?hash=item542741373a:g:xyQAAOSwv-NWVJQB

 anyway just saying they probably will have to do better then that ..unless your elec is so damn cheap (3c-4c kwh) you'll make money on that price for equip anyway Smiley

so MAN they will have to really really dump the price per TH down with the above comparison imho
The $500 came from a site that may or may not be legit 51ASIC.ru as mentioned at the beginning of this thread.  I don't believe a price has ever been mentioned for the physical hardware, but the B11 hash contracts went from .76 to .87 BTC/TH if I'm not mistaken, and the B12 contracts are going for .5 BTC/TH right now.
copper member
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Clueless!
December 09, 2015, 05:54:27 AM
#73
One early post mentioned $500/TH, which WOULD be high - but I doubt the actual price when it's released will be that high, unless the price of Bitcoin keeps pushing up.

 I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.

I can get a used 'ebay high priced' knc neptune 3.5TH unit for around 750 bucks buy it now ...RIGHT NOW at 1250 watts I think they are?

So that price is not too attractive for something maybe months away imho Smiley

 a recent sold example below

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/KNC-NEPTUNE-Bitcoin-Miner-Set-/361435838266?hash=item542741373a:g:xyQAAOSwv-NWVJQB

 anyway just saying they probably will have to do better then that ..unless your elec is so damn cheap (3c-4c kwh) you'll make money on that price for equip anyway Smiley

so MAN they will have to really really dump the price per TH down with the above comparison imho
hero member
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December 09, 2015, 05:41:08 AM
#72
One early post mentioned $500/TH, which WOULD be high - but I doubt the actual price when it's released will be that high, unless the price of Bitcoin keeps pushing up.

 I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.

My understanding was that they had announced 0.87BTC / TH for large orders of 1PH, that was available until end of November, have seen nothing since. My assumption is that the chips will come from Samsung?


Rich
legendary
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December 09, 2015, 05:24:07 AM
#71
One early post mentioned $500/TH, which WOULD be high - but I doubt the actual price when it's released will be that high, unless the price of Bitcoin keeps pushing up.

 I am starting to wonder if it will be Innosilicon A3 based though - the numbers just aren't adding up give everything Innosilicon has let slip about the A3 in the last month or so.
legendary
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December 08, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
#70
my point is they didn't need to raise the price. why or what i mean really means nothing to any one etc !!! just some random thoughts, i had about how things go up and they don't need to .Smiley. and maybe why they did . if you renumber one of there interviews about the S7 how they were still for Home miners , that went out the door with the S5 +, it  was a test but not why  they told us. sorry for what might seem like the rumbling of a mad man. there not .

I love mining but not for the money , it keeps me sane .The money is just candy that comes from doing it.


it actually started with CPU's , i renumber searching the web back when it all started and even had it running on a PC Cpu mining but saw no point then . the rest is history. A friend who is now dead also did it back then. wish i had listened.
 
Just me being old, pushing 60 now or close.

I think it is pretty random as this miner does not even have a cost yet that I know of.  There is still a lot not decided.  So saying it's high.... is really  speculation.

But I agree would love to get them cheaper on miners.  But it's based on what you can get partially from mining.  If a mining company could get more why they ever sell gear?

So it's they are going to sell at quick profit.  But with current price of BTC I don't expect it to go down much unless difficulty goes crazy.
legendary
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December 08, 2015, 04:07:12 AM
#69
We need a low cost miners that can hash in the the tera's...  The S7 is great and all but it's so expensive..  I'm just a hobbyist miner but with the difficulty increasing all the time, it's starting to suck for us small guys  Cry

Actually some miners are already cheaper as higher BTC price.  This causes  the miners to be cheaper if you were holding onto BTC.  So that is good if holding already, if you are not holding it has no effect.

But i have a feeling "low cost" will not meet where you want it to.  If you want current gen miners you pay for it... and they hold value longer and you can even sell them one day when you go to get new.   If your wanting "low cost" you really need to have lower electricity and then can look at used miners.


I know what you are going to say  but why did it go up that high to start with, if they were selling them for around 3 to 500 per miner . that made no sense but did but my thought on the did doesn't all ways agree with others .

but one thought is they messed up there sells some how and got to far a head of them self and have to make it up some how or the other thing i won't go there .

I don't agree they had to they didn't have to . no one ever has to  Smiley .

Look at how miners have evolved.  I started in GPU day's.  But think asics back to USB sticks... yes you could get them cheaper as they were very cheap to produce.  Chances are we all overpaid quite a bit.

But look at miners now some are huge.  I mean Avalon 6 and S7 are getting some big numbers on speed, and at good efficiency.  So miners of today vs when asics started are very different.

On price each company I'm sure has it's own plan.  But I still think what it mines is considered.  If it's going to mine a lot more for then then selling... then using it themself sounds pretty good.  To sell to another then need a quick profit to justify it vs long term of keeping it and mining it.

Honestly on last two paragraphs I'm not totally sure what your saying if you want to clarify.


my point is they didn't need to raise the price. why or what i mean really means nothing to any one etc !!! just some random thoughts, i had about how things go up and they don't need to .Smiley. and maybe why they did . if you renumber one of there interviews about the S7 how they were still for Home miners , that went out the door with the S5 +, it  was a test but not why  they told us. sorry for what might seem like the rumbling of a mad man. there not .

I love mining but not for the money , it keeps me sane .The money is just candy that comes from doing it.


it actually started with CPU's , i renumber searching the web back when it all started and even had it running on a PC Cpu mining but saw no point then . the rest is history. A friend who is now dead also did it back then. wish i had listened.
 
Just me being old, pushing 60 now or close.
legendary
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December 07, 2015, 07:34:42 PM
#68
We need a low cost miners that can hash in the the tera's...  The S7 is great and all but it's so expensive..  I'm just a hobbyist miner but with the difficulty increasing all the time, it's starting to suck for us small guys  Cry

Actually some miners are already cheaper as higher BTC price.  This causes  the miners to be cheaper if you were holding onto BTC.  So that is good if holding already, if you are not holding it has no effect.

But i have a feeling "low cost" will not meet where you want it to.  If you want current gen miners you pay for it... and they hold value longer and you can even sell them one day when you go to get new.   If your wanting "low cost" you really need to have lower electricity and then can look at used miners.


I know what you are going to say  but why did it go up that high to start with, if they were selling them for around 3 to 500 per miner . that made no sense but did but my thought on the did doesn't all ways agree with others .

but one thought is they messed up there sells some how and got to far a head of them self and have to make it up some how or the other thing i won't go there .

I don't agree they had to they didn't have to . no one ever has to  Smiley .

Look at how miners have evolved.  I started in GPU day's.  But think asics back to USB sticks... yes you could get them cheaper as they were very cheap to produce.  Chances are we all overpaid quite a bit.

But look at miners now some are huge.  I mean Avalon 6 and S7 are getting some big numbers on speed, and at good efficiency.  So miners of today vs when asics started are very different.

On price each company I'm sure has it's own plan.  But I still think what it mines is considered.  If it's going to mine a lot more for then then selling... then using it themself sounds pretty good.  To sell to another then need a quick profit to justify it vs long term of keeping it and mining it.

Honestly on last two paragraphs I'm not totally sure what your saying if you want to clarify.
legendary
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December 07, 2015, 06:52:34 PM
#67
Well, I have ordered a semi-professional noise meter and an IR-thermometer, because they have confirmed once again that they expect this miner will arrive soon.  Roll Eyes Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Do you not find it odd they are only who has said soon?   Normally a site or two will talk about it if really close.

I think it's further out then "soon', but I would love to be wrong.  But i just don't see the chatter I expect us to have once it's close to release.

I still stand by what I said when the OP was first raised this in early October, that the info from 51ASIC just seemed to be a speculative (Scam?) announcement.

Quote
Very soon !
NEWEST Miner B-ELEVEN
Heshreyt : 3TH / s, 5TH / s, 10TH / s
Power consumption : 260W / TH
Process technology : 14nm
Price: 500 USD for the TH / s

In terms of B-Eleven I agree with Phil that we are going to be well into January at best before we see product. Also remember they have all the pre-sold Hash to deliver and the Bulk order customers.

Rich

Probably this is like the new trend SFARDS started..show a working product eventually ...have the price way to high (some fools will buy) limited guanity lot of 100 (so more $$$ so the wholesalers can sell it at a profit to newbie home miners) very few if any hit the world ..the real goal is newbie IPO $$$ *much richer then home miner newbies*

and then the silence starts when IPO $$$ is reached (or in SFARDS case...they announced another batch 'someday' also in 100 lot buys only)

rinse/wash/repeat

the product annoucne gets the word out shows your chops...gets you IPO $$ plus some chump change from the overypaying small amount of miners you sell to 1st adopter newbies....then make data hall....and run it around again for the next version

seems to be the trend imho (sfard/spondoolies etc)

er again pre-orders are dead..have to show 'some kinda product' but the real point is to get the newbie IPO bucks indeed Smiley





you might be right ,  kind of hate that to .  i get that feeling well never hear from these guys again then one day well see there miners being sold as used some place same thing with SFARDS they will sell off any and all 28 nm miners they have once they start there next gen something like KNC does now . what's  bad is they don't see how it hurts everyone !!! Sad including them, over time  .
legendary
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December 07, 2015, 06:43:17 PM
#66
We need a low cost miners that can hash in the the tera's...  The S7 is great and all but it's so expensive..  I'm just a hobbyist miner but with the difficulty increasing all the time, it's starting to suck for us small guys  Cry

Actually some miners are already cheaper as higher BTC price.  This causes  the miners to be cheaper if you were holding onto BTC.  So that is good if holding already, if you are not holding it has no effect.

But i have a feeling "low cost" will not meet where you want it to.  If you want current gen miners you pay for it... and they hold value longer and you can even sell them one day when you go to get new.   If your wanting "low cost" you really need to have lower electricity and then can look at used miners.


I know what you are going to say  but why did it go up that high to start with, if they were selling them for around 3 to 500 per miner . that made no sense but did but my thought on the did doesn't all ways agree with others .

but one thought is they messed up there sells some how and got to far a head of them self and have to make it up some how or the other thing i won't go there .

I don't agree they had to they didn't have to . no one ever has to  Smiley .
legendary
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December 07, 2015, 06:16:05 PM
#65
@Rabinovitch So did you get any more updates yet other than promised a unit, Am sure if already have the equipment it does not take this long for shipping units out no doubt going to be waiting but will be nice to see whats under the hud of one if really going to stick to word and get a unit for testing.
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Clueless!
December 03, 2015, 04:24:24 AM
#64
Well, I have ordered a semi-professional noise meter and an IR-thermometer, because they have confirmed once again that they expect this miner will arrive soon.  Roll Eyes Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Do you not find it odd they are only who has said soon?   Normally a site or two will talk about it if really close.

I think it's further out then "soon', but I would love to be wrong.  But i just don't see the chatter I expect us to have once it's close to release.

I still stand by what I said when the OP was first raised this in early October, that the info from 51ASIC just seemed to be a speculative (Scam?) announcement.

Quote
Very soon !
NEWEST Miner B-ELEVEN
Heshreyt : 3TH / s, 5TH / s, 10TH / s
Power consumption : 260W / TH
Process technology : 14nm
Price: 500 USD for the TH / s

In terms of B-Eleven I agree with Phil that we are going to be well into January at best before we see product. Also remember they have all the pre-sold Hash to deliver and the Bulk order customers.

Rich

Probably this is like the new trend SFARDS started..show a working product eventually ...have the price way to high (some fools will buy) limited guanity lot of 100 (so more $$$ so the wholesalers can sell it at a profit to newbie home miners) very few if any hit the world ..the real goal is newbie IPO $$$ *much richer then home miner newbies*

and then the silence starts when IPO $$$ is reached (or in SFARDS case...they announced another batch 'someday' also in 100 lot buys only)

rinse/wash/repeat

the product annoucne gets the word out shows your chops...gets you IPO $$ plus some chump change from the overypaying small amount of miners you sell to 1st adopter newbies....then make data hall....and run it around again for the next version

seems to be the trend imho (sfard/spondoolies etc)

er again pre-orders are dead..have to show 'some kinda product' but the real point is to get the newbie IPO bucks indeed Smiley



hero member
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December 02, 2015, 09:21:40 AM
#63
Well, I have ordered a semi-professional noise meter and an IR-thermometer, because they have confirmed once again that they expect this miner will arrive soon.  Roll Eyes Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Do you not find it odd they are only who has said soon?   Normally a site or two will talk about it if really close.

I think it's further out then "soon', but I would love to be wrong.  But i just don't see the chatter I expect us to have once it's close to release.

I still stand by what I said when the OP was first raised this in early October, that the info from 51ASIC just seemed to be a speculative (Scam?) announcement.

Quote
Very soon !
NEWEST Miner B-ELEVEN
Heshreyt : 3TH / s, 5TH / s, 10TH / s
Power consumption : 260W / TH
Process technology : 14nm
Price: 500 USD for the TH / s

In terms of B-Eleven I agree with Phil that we are going to be well into January at best before we see product. Also remember they have all the pre-sold Hash to deliver and the Bulk order customers.

Rich
legendary
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December 02, 2015, 09:14:11 AM
#62
Well I read soon as mid Jan to late Jan
legendary
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December 02, 2015, 09:03:59 AM
#61
Well, I have ordered a semi-professional noise meter and an IR-thermometer, because they have confirmed once again that they expect this miner will arrive soon.  Roll Eyes Can't wait to get my hands on it.

Do you not find it odd they are only who has said soon?   Normally a site or two will talk about it if really close.

I think it's further out then "soon', but I would love to be wrong.  But i just don't see the chatter I expect us to have once it's close to release.
legendary
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A humble Siberian miner
December 02, 2015, 08:45:06 AM
#60
Well, I have ordered a semi-professional noise meter and an IR-thermometer, because they have confirmed once again that they expect this miner will arrive soon.  Roll Eyes Can't wait to get my hands on it.
legendary
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December 01, 2015, 06:51:51 PM
#59
We need a low cost miners that can hash in the the tera's...  The S7 is great and all but it's so expensive..  I'm just a hobbyist miner but with the difficulty increasing all the time, it's starting to suck for us small guys  Cry

Actually some miners are already cheaper as higher BTC price.  This causes  the miners to be cheaper if you were holding onto BTC.  So that is good if holding already, if you are not holding it has no effect.

But i have a feeling "low cost" will not meet where you want it to.  If you want current gen miners you pay for it... and they hold value longer and you can even sell them one day when you go to get new.   If your wanting "low cost" you really need to have lower electricity and then can look at used miners.
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December 01, 2015, 05:52:04 PM
#58
We need a low cost miners that can hash in the the tera's...  The S7 is great and all but it's so expensive..  I'm just a hobbyist miner but with the difficulty increasing all the time, it's starting to suck for us small guys  Cry
hero member
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December 01, 2015, 02:14:15 PM
#57

chrome translation I see chips will be in near Christmas or New Years

If true gear will be at least 1 month after that.  Lets say on my birthday Jan 27th.

So it is a waiting game for now.

Very intersting is there anything that tells efficiency?  I was thinking on miner they listed multiple speeds.  So I'm really curious what they do with this miner.

Really want to know efficiency to.
If they can do the 260 W/TH they claim it's efficiency is .26 J/GH which is good, but not better than Bitmains 28nm BM1385.

Surely a 14nm chip would be more efficient than that, right?  I am sure that can be greatly improved upon in time.

well bitmains s5 and s7 are both 28nm  and the s7 is much better then the s5.

so this is the first 14nm  the next one may have a big improvement not this one.

kind of makes me think they could be in trouble with this miner if it only gets down to .26 in a miner it will need to be very cheap price or just get the s-7

I read that it's not full custom, if so you might see the sort of difference between S5 & S7 when they are able to progress?

Rich
legendary
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December 01, 2015, 01:45:01 PM
#56

chrome translation I see chips will be in near Christmas or New Years

If true gear will be at least 1 month after that.  Lets say on my birthday Jan 27th.

So it is a waiting game for now.

Very intersting is there anything that tells efficiency?  I was thinking on miner they listed multiple speeds.  So I'm really curious what they do with this miner.

Really want to know efficiency to.
If they can do the 260 W/TH they claim it's efficiency is .26 J/GH which is good, but not better than Bitmains 28nm BM1385.

Surely a 14nm chip would be more efficient than that, right?  I am sure that can be greatly improved upon in time.

well bitmains s5 and s7 are both 28nm  and the s7 is much better then the s5.

so this is the first 14nm  the next one may have a big improvement not this one.

kind of makes me think they could be in trouble with this miner if it only gets down to .26 in a miner it will need to be very cheap price or just get the s-7
legendary
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December 01, 2015, 01:37:33 PM
#55

chrome translation I see chips will be in near Christmas or New Years

If true gear will be at least 1 month after that.  Lets say on my birthday Jan 27th.

So it is a waiting game for now.

Very intersting is there anything that tells efficiency?  I was thinking on miner they listed multiple speeds.  So I'm really curious what they do with this miner.

Really want to know efficiency to.
If they can do the 260 W/TH they claim it's efficiency is .26 J/GH which is good, but not better than Bitmains 28nm BM1385.

Surely a 14nm chip would be more efficient than that, right?  I am sure that can be greatly improved upon in time.
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