Topic: Ballon d'Or discussion and odds - page 8. (Read 3824 times)

It's funny how yesterday Messi grabbed his opponent by the throat in the Argentina - Uruguay game, but didn't even get a yellow card 
And I was also surprised by his hypocrisy when, after a lost game, he said that the Uruguay national team player should respect elders and learn good manners. Lord, this is coming from the one who attacked Louis Van Gaal and the one who “didn’t notice” how Martinez behaved towards his opponents?
It seems that at the end of his career he really went crazy and believed that he deserved his Ballon d'Ors and was not just a product of PR.

I'm 100% sure he will be included in the next nominations, the only way to see Messi not include into nomination is he reject it or he officially retire from football.

Regarding if he win or not, that's a different discussions since it will depend on how much he can bribe FIFA.

I guess if Inter Miami become a champion in the next season, he will win Ballon d'Or.

Therefore I think that if next year Messi should no longer be included in the nominations, or at least be in the top 10 then that won't be a problem. I'm excited to see young players get the Ballon D'Or. I think it's time for Messi and Ronaldo to enjoy the end of their careers. It would be funny if Messi, who plays in MLS, is in the top 3 of the Ballon D'Or next season.

Let's see when the next world cup is and whose Balon D'or will be awarded. At the moment it may indeed be Messi winning the World Cup but not with club achievements. Messi is bad at the club. He didn't have any great achievements at the club. There should be a lot of consideration, not just the World Cup.

We'll see, if a decision changes then I don't think it's necessary to give the title of best player. This means that FIFA has a double standard in the selection of the best players. In the end, this will be a fan debate that has no end.

The whole problem is that most people think in retrospect, looking at Messi’s past achievements (given the level of PR, naturally he is stronger here than Haaland) instead of simply looking at what the prize is given for - for the season. If we put aside PR and corruption, then Messi probably wouldn’t even be in the top 5, and Haaland would have won the Ballon d'Or without any problems, maybe there would only be a Haaland vs. Mbappe debate.

They are both difficult choices. I think Haaland deserves the Ballon D'Or. But I also think that Messi with all his achievements in that season could indeed be said to be one of Messi's best seasons as a football player. He got the world cup and won the league. Even though he doesn't have the goal productivity of Haaland, I think this year could be Messi's last Ballon D'Or before retiring, and we will be prepared to look forward to a new face at the Ballon D'Or next year.

I wouldn't say he had a poor season at ligue 1? I mean he was the assist leader of the league, that is saying something and he had 16 goals as well, he had as much contribution to the team that won Ligue 1 as Mbappe, AND he won the world cup on top of that.

I understand Haaland, there is nothing wrong with saying Haaland deserved it, but while Messi was out there getting the world cup and leading the assists and winning ligue 1, Haaland was not scoring a single goal on 7 finals/semi-finals games where his team scored 12 goals. On all those games, his team had to score without him, and Messi was the one that brought his team the league title and world cup title when he played and scored in all those games as well. That is much better.

You are pretending to be blind (after all, you cannot dispute the facts) but it is not difficult for me to repeat:


You can ignore the facts for as long as you like, but they won't go away.


You have nothing to object to since I provided specific figures and facts, so you simply ignore them and try to declare trolling. But this is even good - it means that if we talk about facts, then you agree with me, but no one cares about your emotions (incredible love for Messi).


Great joke. Playing in the Farm League in a dominant club, Messi failed the first season, was at an average level in the second season and completely failed in the Champions League (two eliminations at the 1/8 stage with 0+0). Hmm... this is not the kind of “help” the sheikhs were expecting when they invited “the best player in the world who makes a difference.” Although, on the other hand, the difference is obvious: without Messi, PSG has the semi-finals and final of the Champions League, and with Messi another shameful defeat from Bayern (Messi brought this from Barcelona) and two years in a row relegation in the 1/8.

Cristiano Ronaldo for the very first time had a terrible season with his return to Manchester United ( Second Season ) He had a bad season and it didn't just end there, it extended to the FIFA World Cup Competition.
Some Portuguese players refused playing the ball to him and same as the coach, it not a one man game I know, but a player like Cristiano Ronaldo shouldn't have been treated that way.

Ballon d'or or whoever is in control did the right thing. Ronaldo never came close to even being nominated. He won five times and that's enough for him.
Shout out to Lionel Messi for he really merits that Ballon d'or.

the guy played for a shitty team, he doesn't have superpowers to give skills to the other players on that team, so what he did was play well as he always did, but even so it would be impossible for him alone on the field to beat the other good ones teams in that league. If Messi continued playing in Europe and in a great team it would easily be visible how he is a great player and deserves this award. When people look at Messi winning this award, they often make comparisons with Ronaldo or Haaland, but I think they shouldn't be making those comparisons. because I believe that the juries took into account the past and current context in which all these players find themselves and how they are influencing where they play and what kind of results they have brought

Messi when he arrived at PSG he visibly contributed a lot to the team, the quality of his passes and how well he can move around the field was visible. He is the type of player who, when he gets the ball, can do wonders on the field, he is not just a player who scores goals like Ronaldo and Haaland, Messi's style of play is like Ronaldinho. Both players have enormous talent on the field and were able to make their teammates receive passes well and move well on the field when these two players picked up the ball. Haaland and Ronaldo have great talent when it comes to scoring goals and I am of the opinion that this year the Ballon d'Or should have gone to Haaland and not Messi

Ronaldo itself wasn't include in Ballon d'Or nomination when he play very good in Manchester United and Al Nassr, but FIFA choose Messi over Haaland, so it's really clear FIFA like Messi and hate Ronaldo.

Well this is not really about if Haaland won it would end Messi and Ronaldo debate, Messi fans will keep saying Messi is better since he own 7 Ballon d'Or while Ronaldo only own 5 or Haaland is only own 1.

This is where you mixed it up;
You mentioned different years, but was talking about the exact same year.

The rest of your argument is just you sharing your personal opinion and trolling, so no need pursuing the argument with someone who is not objective.

- Jay -

With all due respect for Messi , I think Haaland should have take this one because it's been almost a decade since young players no matter what they achieve and they do on the pitch , they cannot beat Messi at all and this year even if he won WC , he had no other achievements besides that as he had a poor season in Ligue 1 and then he made a very low transfer to Miami so I think it's fair to say Haaland was twice the man for Ballon D'or than Messi was this year.  .

He should also slice that Ballon D'or in half and give the other half to Martinez because without his leg , Argentina would have clearly lost the final.

Its not about Cristiano Ronaldo or Lionel Messi fans but depend on the winning Balon D'Or performance last season and all his contribution for his club and national teams. No doubt with Lionel Messi achievement winning FIFA World Cup 2022 but depend in year his performance not really fantastic such as Erling Haaland won treble winner with Manchester City. Comparison Messi's achievement is too far with Erling Haaland success become top scorer not only di Premier League as most compete league and Haaland become top score in Champion League. Did you think fair with one month performance in FIFA World Cup 2022 loss opportunity with Erling Haaland have consistent performance in one season?

I think Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo will not stop debate if the winner of Ballon D'Or this year Erling Haaland

I agree with you. Unfortunately, currently the people who criticize Messi the most and feel they don't deserve to win the Ballon D'Or are Ronaldo fans. For me, when Ronaldo fans express their disapproval, it's not because they want Ronaldo to get the Ballon D'Or. They only hate Messi because Messi is Ronaldo's rival. I don't like people like that. I would rather City fans or neutral people discuss this season's Ballon D'Or and not link it to Messi's previous few Ballon d'Ors.

Actually now we have to eliminate the classification of Messi or Ronaldo fans in this case because Ballon d'Or does not only refer to these two players even though they will always be associated but in this case you always think that those who do not recognize that Messi currently deserves Ballon d'Or are fans of Ronaldo. let's stop justifying it like that because in the end if it only focuses on what is always associated with these two players, then all comparisons are only to Messi and Ronaldo.

This season for the Ballon d'Or is not really liked and I am one of the people who do not like this because in my opinion the decision is not really worth it if it only makes the world cup the main benchmark. It's not that I don't like Messi and I'm a fan of Ronaldo because in the end the fact that Haaland is currently more deserving is indisputable and with Messi's re-election will obviously invite a lot of reactions for now.

You're correct but what happened to the name Angel Di Maria? He was also a vital player and of the FIFA World Cup Competition Win for Argentina. Against France, during the finals, he was the key to the first tow goal but his importance and contributions are not being talked about. I guess he was not even part of the list of players nominated for the Ballon d'or.

That said, Lionel Messi is an exceptional player, Dutch legend Hendrick Yohan Cruyff former player and manager made the prediction of how he will win the most Ballon d'ors and here he is doing as predicted even if this seems rigged or biased.
Congratulations to him once again. He deserves it!

I'm a Cristiano Ronaldo's fan but when it comes to football braggings about Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel who to me are the best two players who's ever graced the beautiful round leather, I'm always not sentimental with my opinions.
Lionel Messi helped his country lift the FIFA World Cup last year December after the fifth time of trying. He wasn't just any random member of the Argentina squad that won the WC trophy but was the best player of the tournament and that's why I think he deserves the Balon D'or award he got on Monday. As far as football is concerned I can't say there's anyone among them who's better because they're have their different football records and moments.

Stop lying, I’m not writing about one year (or tournament) when everything can be attributed to randomness. There is a whole period from 2008-2012 when Xavi and Iniesta achieved their greatest achievement - two European Champion titles in a row and a World Cup. Can you name teams that achieved the same? This is the real magic and legendary achievement and breaking of records.

At the same time, Messi failed at the World Cup and was an ordinary player at the America's Cup, you can come up with different excuses but these are simple facts.
Thus, during this period, both Xavi and Iniesta were 1000 times better than Messi, but they received zero Ballon d'Or, and he received 4  


These stories have already been discussed here: when the team won, it was Messi’s merit, when it lost, it was not Messi’s fault   Cool story.


You can write all the stories and absurdities you want, but you can’t escape the facts: Xavi and Iniesta did great without Messi and achieved a legendary achievement, but without them he first failed, and then could not be above average. I suppose now you will write anything about any other year but will you ignore 2008-2012?  


In a team sport it is very difficult to separate the team from the individual, but here is a rare case when this is possible: everyone we are talking about played in the same club, but in different national teams. And the fact is that without Xavi and Iniesta, Messi was just a gray player, did not stand out at all, while Xavi and Iniesta achieved something legendary.

And that's not all: Messi had phenomenal goal statistics in those years while playing for Barcelona, he scored something like 80% of the club's goals +- and scored almost a goal per game. Seems incredible, right? (I'm speaking as a Messi fan haha). But the most incredible thing (for Messi fans) is that he was completely replaceable.

Villa scored 5 goals in 7 games at the 2010 World Cup (first place in the list of scorers). At the 2008 European Championship, Villa scored 4 goals in 6 games (sole first place in the list of scorers). If we take the qualifying rounds for the World Cup and the European Championship, Villa has stats of 18 goals in 21 games.

Does this statistic remind you of anything?   Whose merit here do you think is greater: Xavi and Iniesta or Villa (who apparently should have received all the Ballon d'Ors in those years)?
Fanboys gives a paradoxical answer to this question: Messi  
But the facts remain facts: Messi was the player that was replaceable by almost a random player.

Messi is an exceptional player and he was really instrumental to Argentina's success in the world cup but the truth be told he did not deserved the Ballon D'or. With or without this Ballon D'or, Messi would have still gone down in the history books as one of the best footballer of all time, FIFA didn't have to cook up stats to favour their golden boy. I could beat my chest and say that out of the 8 awards he won, he did not deserved 2 of them, the one that FIFA denied Wesley Sneijder and this one.