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sr. member
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The only rational implication from the talk is that Bytecoin could have paid CoinTelegraph for some early coverage. As the reporter later admits they are not funding it now. What is the news here that you are excited about? That there could have been an article on Monero which was never published?

I am happy to let the original video (which clearly -- if one simply watches it -- goes well beyond the scope you try to delimit and then reinterpret above) and the writer's comments on reddit stand on their own merit.

Whatever else comes to light later that makes your continued denials of the obvious subsequently look stupid, we will just have to wait and see.

You do indeed misinterpret this story. My denials of the obvious? I'm objecting your bias.
I am also happy to let the original video and the writer's comments speak for themselves.
legendary
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The only rational implication from the talk is that Bytecoin could have paid CoinTelegraph for some early coverage. As the reporter later admits they are not funding it now. What is the news here that you are excited about? That there could have been an article on Monero which was never published?

I am happy to let the original video (which clearly -- if one simply watches it -- goes well beyond the scope you try to delimit and then reinterpret above) and the writer's comments on reddit stand on their own merit.

Whatever else comes to light later that makes your continued denials of the obvious subsequently look stupid, we will just have to wait and see.

sr. member
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And what is going on here smooth? Could you tell us something we don't know?

1. The reporter never answers to any of the smooth's question "yes". He says he doesn't know or is not sure. The whole thread is speculative (nice questions smooth though!). It appears that nobody asked or pushed him to write specific things about Bytecoin, only make a research of a rumor on Monero:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/ctu8w44

2. There were never any article published on CT against Monero. The author confirms:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/ctu7pea
Also he never says whether somebody paid CT to research bothet issue.

3. There is only one Bytecoin promoting article ever found on CT. It's on Bytecoin recent birthday with the text paraphrasing Bytecoin's blog post:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/114746/cryptonote-based-bytecoin-turns-3-plans-to-implement-colored-coins-smart-contracts
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-roadmap-updated/

I don't think it's a show orchestrated by XMR (otherwise, his answers would be brutally different). However, what can we actually infer from this whole story?

This comment, in particular, is more revealing:

I may not have explained that correctly. They asked me to investigate into accusations that Monero was mined exclusively (or almost exclusively) with malware powered botnets.
Instead, I found evidence that it was mostly mined with cloud computing. You can tell because the difficulty (at least around summer 2014) would mirror the prices at Amazon. When it went up, the difficulty went down and when it went down the difficulty went up.
When I tried to write that story, they killed it, so it never got published.

There are some shill replies on reddit trying to claim that showing the coin to be heavily cloud mined to "not be a story" (paraphrasing) and that's why they "killed it" (not paraphrasing) but that clearly doesn't hold up.

First of all, given the widespread allegations at the time (and where do you think those came from?) that it was primarily botnet mined and the attention Monero was getting at the time, a story showing clearly that it was not botnet mined but instead cloud mined would have been quite interesting. In addition, just showing the connection between coin mining and AWS prices would also have been interesting, as I'm not sure there has ever been much coverage of cloud mining and how important it can be to some coins.

Furthermore, he says elsewhere that he was usually allowed to write whatever he wanted (and that was one reason he liked working there). Pay would be determined by traffic, so if the story were not interesting, he just wouldn't get paid much for it.

But for some reason, in this case, different rules applied. Very interesting.

But mainly the biggest take-away here is that the people behind Bytecoin funded a "news" site in order to bias coverage in favor of Bytecoin and most of the other cryptonotes (duckNote is specifically mentioned) and against Monero.

This raises many questions about who is behind Bytecoin and what else they are doing. Getting involved in the business of news web sites does not exactly strike me as something that cypherpunks and cryptographers from the darknet would be particularly involved with. So obviously there is more to the story here, or the writer is lying about what happened (which I very much doubt).

Still, why are we arguing over what he said on this BCN thread? Seems silly and redundant. People can watch the video and read the reddit discussions and come to their own conclusions.


We are discussing it to not let you misinterpret what he said into what you wished he said. I've seen this work on BCT thousands times: post a speculation, than link to it from other threads as if this was actual fact.

The only rational implication from the talk is that Bytecoin could have paid CoinTelegraph for some early coverage. As the reporter later admits they are not funding it now. What is the news here that you are excited about? That there could have been an article on Monero which was never published?
legendary
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Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/

Well, well.

It would appear either bytecoin have some powerful enemies or monero have some powerful friends, or that it is merely coincidence that just as BCN is picking up steam with lots of updates and rising market cap, and just as I have got the measure of XMR shills, that this story comes to light.

As yet Ive only watched the vid which fluffypony linked on the XMR thread last night only minutes after its release. Ive not read the reddit pots yet. Paying for positive press might be regarded as unscrupulous by some but it is nevertheless a time-honored tradition. How mych press have BTC, DOGE and DRK paid for I wonder?

It is interesting that, despite your thinly veiled accusations against Monero being somehow behind this revelation, you don't even include Monero in the list of coins which might have paid for press.

I think you very well know what is really going on here. You might not like it for whatever reasons, but you know what's up.


And what is going on here smooth? Could you tell us something we don't know?

1. The reporter never answers to any of the smooth's question "yes". He says he doesn't know or is not sure. The whole thread is speculative (nice questions smooth though!). It appears that nobody asked or pushed him to write specific things about Bytecoin, only make a research of a rumor on Monero:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/ctu8w44

2. There were never any article published on CT against Monero. The author confirms:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/ctu7pea
Also he never says whether somebody paid CT to research bothet issue.

3. There is only one Bytecoin promoting article ever found on CT. It's on Bytecoin recent birthday with the text paraphrasing Bytecoin's blog post:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/114746/cryptonote-based-bytecoin-turns-3-plans-to-implement-colored-coins-smart-contracts
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-roadmap-updated/

I don't think it's a show orchestrated by XMR (otherwise, his answers would be brutally different). However, what can we actually infer from this whole story?

This comment, in particular, is more revealing:

I may not have explained that correctly. They asked me to investigate into accusations that Monero was mined exclusively (or almost exclusively) with malware powered botnets.
Instead, I found evidence that it was mostly mined with cloud computing. You can tell because the difficulty (at least around summer 2014) would mirror the prices at Amazon. When it went up, the difficulty went down and when it went down the difficulty went up.
When I tried to write that story, they killed it, so it never got published.

There are some shill replies on reddit trying to claim that showing the coin to be heavily cloud mined to "not be a story" (paraphrasing) and that's why they "killed it" (not paraphrasing) but that clearly doesn't hold up.

First of all, given the widespread allegations at the time (and where do you think those came from?) that it was primarily botnet mined and the attention Monero was getting at the time, a story showing clearly that it was not botnet mined but instead cloud mined would have been quite interesting. In addition, just showing the connection between coin mining and AWS prices would also have been interesting, as I'm not sure there has ever been much coverage of cloud mining and how important it can be to some coins.

Furthermore, he says elsewhere that he was usually allowed to write whatever he wanted (and that was one reason he liked working there). Pay would be determined by traffic, so if the story were not interesting, he just wouldn't get paid much for it.

But for some reason, in this case, different rules applied. Very interesting.

But mainly the biggest take-away here is that the people behind Bytecoin funded a "news" site in order to bias coverage in favor of Bytecoin and most of the other cryptonotes (duckNote is specifically mentioned) and against Monero.

This raises many questions about who is behind Bytecoin and what else they are doing. Getting involved in the business of funding news web sites does not exactly strike me as something that cypherpunks and cryptographers from the darknet would be particularly involved with. So obviously there is more to the story here, or the writer is lying about what happened (which I very much doubt).

Still, why are we arguing over what he said on this BCN thread? Seems silly and redundant. People can watch the video and read the reddit discussions and come to their own conclusions.
sr. member
Activity: 373
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Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/

Well, well.

It would appear either bytecoin have some powerful enemies or monero have some powerful friends, or that it is merely coincidence that just as BCN is picking up steam with lots of updates and rising market cap, and just as I have got the measure of XMR shills, that this story comes to light.

As yet Ive only watched the vid which fluffypony linked on the XMR thread last night only minutes after its release. Ive not read the reddit pots yet. Paying for positive press might be regarded as unscrupulous by some but it is nevertheless a time-honored tradition. How mych press have BTC, DOGE and DRK paid for I wonder?

It is interesting that, despite your thinly veiled accusations against Monero being somehow behind this revelation, you don't even include Monero in the list of coins which might have paid for press.

I think you very well know what is really going on here. You might not like it for whatever reasons, but you know what's up.


And what is going on here smooth? Could you tell us something we don't know?

1. The reporter never answers to any of the smooth's question "yes". He says he doesn't know or is not sure. The whole thread is speculative (nice questions smooth though!). It appears that nobody asked or pushed him to write specific things about Bytecoin, only make a research of a rumor on Monero:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/ctu8w44

2. There were never any article published on CT against Monero. The author confirms:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/ctu7pea
Also he never says whether somebody paid CT to research bothet issue.

3. There is only one Bytecoin promoting article ever found on CT. It's on Bytecoin recent birthday with the text paraphrasing Bytecoin's blog post:
http://cointelegraph.com/news/114746/cryptonote-based-bytecoin-turns-3-plans-to-implement-colored-coins-smart-contracts
https://bytecoin.org/news/bytecoin-roadmap-updated/

I don't think it's a show orchestrated by XMR (otherwise, his answers would be brutally different). However, what can we actually infer from this whole story?
legendary
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What`s up xmr rising because dash drop Smiley

Off topic for this thread. 

Plenty of discussion here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmr-monero-speculation-753252

legendary
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What`s up xmr rising because dash drop Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2968
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Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/

Well, well.

It would appear either bytecoin have some powerful enemies or monero have some powerful friends, or that it is merely coincidence that just as BCN is picking up steam with lots of updates and rising market cap, and just as I have got the measure of XMR shills, that this story comes to light.

As yet Ive only watched the vid which fluffypony linked on the XMR thread last night only minutes after its release. Ive not read the reddit pots yet. Paying for positive press might be regarded as unscrupulous by some but it is nevertheless a time-honored tradition. How mych press have BTC, DOGE and DRK paid for I wonder?

It is interesting that, despite your thinly veiled accusations against Monero being somehow behind this revelation, you don't even include Monero in the list of coins which might have paid for press.

I think you very well know what is really going on here. You might not like it for whatever reasons, but you know what's up.
hero member
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Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/

Well, well.

It would appear either bytecoin have some powerful enemies or monero have some powerful friends, or that it is merely coincidence that just as BCN is picking up steam with lots of updates and rising market cap, and just as I have got the measure of XMR shills, that this story comes to light.

As yet Ive only watched the vid which fluffypony linked on the XMR thread last night only minutes after its release. Ive not read the reddit posts yet (I'll report later). But paying for positive press might be regarded as unscrupulous by some but it is nevertheless a time-honored tradition. How much press have BTC, DOGE and DRK paid for I wonder?

However as I say before I digest the reddit poss my initial reaction is How long has this guy had this information? (a while it seems from the vid) and Why is this information coming to light now?

In the legendary words of Geroge Smilry from LeCarre's 70's espionage classic "Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy":

Topicality is always suspect
https://oldrope.wordpress.com/2011/09/18/topicality-is-always-suspect-george-smiley/
legendary
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So lets pump this like every other Smiley
legendary
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my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

You mean my "coin mill" hypothesis was actually correct?  Who knew Huh

sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 250
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/
i think, bytecoin wholly compete with Ripple )

Dont insult Ripple like that.  Next to bytecoin Ripple is legit.



I guess thats the end of the circle jerk around here eh?
hero member
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www.pumpmycoin.com
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/
i think, bytecoin wholly compete with Ripple )
sr. member
Activity: 346
Merit: 250
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/

Hey fool.. have a look at the two threads below and let me know how you feel about your beloved Bytecoin trying to discredit CN competitors by funding Coin Telegraph and dictating artciles published.  It turns out the same scammers are behind most of the failed CN coin launches.

The cat is out of the bag now fool.


https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/3g1x60/who_owns_and_runs_cointelegraph_madbitcoins_live/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3g1rpx/mad_bitcoins_on_twitter_the_truth_behind/
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?

here u go https://bytecoin.org/docs/blockchain/
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
www.pumpmycoin.com
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
and how use bootstrap?
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick?  
and how pre-mine end?

I used the bootstrap. Process took around 10 hours on an older machine. Once everything is synced the wallet works very smoothly.
hero member
Activity: 966
Merit: 1003
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick? 

The premine is slowing your sync down. It's just too big.
hero member
Activity: 952
Merit: 1000
www.pumpmycoin.com
my synchr is go more 5 days (~75%) very slow...
what me do, what my synchr go quick? 
and how pre-mine end?
hero member
Activity: 812
Merit: 1000
You arent going to scam anyone with you BS you fool.

Haven't we done this before? Holy mackerel you're a boring duff… you say the same things over and over again ad nauseam. Are you perhaps familiar with the term lynching? For the last time I like bytecoin. I dont think its a scam. Deal with it.

"This fellow is wise enough to play the Fool,
And to do that well craves a kind of wit."
~ Cesario, reflecting on Feste
(Twelfth Night)
https://twitter.com/anonyodinn/status/628086802125959168

7. I believe I've dealt with everything XMR have thrown at me in recent days (inc. the kitchen sink). I have by now made my position perfectly clear, as have you, and I'd politely ask you guys to back off some and give BCN some space. By now we are repeating ourselves. We walk on different roads., and there's no turning back for me now.
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