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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 28, 2021, 05:07:26 PM

Even in online gambling space you will see many obsessive gamblers who does not know how to stop unless they loose millions of dollars.

That's too much obsession and there really are situations that happens like that.

But even not having a million dollars, there are those obsessed gamblers that cannot control themselves and forgotten to be responsible with their own actions.

Even a hundred to thousand of dollars, they can spend that within a short period of time.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 24, 2021, 05:45:50 PM

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It does seem boring, as you said it yourself. However, people are different and what's boring for some can be fun for others. If keeping the detailed records is what makes your gambling experience more entertaining, go ahead and do it then, but overall, if you can't say how much you lost to gambling, say, in the last moth, it means you haven't lost something significant, and therefore you are fine.

I will admit that I enjoy keeping records of my financial transactions so I have a very clear idea of where every single cent went, I know this is probably something that not many people will enjoy but as I said it has its uses, also while what you say about people not remembering how much money they have lost in gambling being a sign that you have not lost so much money is true, there are cases in which the opposite is true, like those that are addicted and cannot tell you how much they have lost over the years because they have lost so much money they have lost track of that amount.

I agree with you, there can be such cases, and it would be very interesting to see some stats on that. Such severe cases are surely not common, but I'm afraid they are there. This has a good chances of happening to people living alone, with no friends/relatives around, who could remind them of how much they've lost.

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 24, 2021, 06:43:19 AM

.. but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Don't tell that to those experienced gamblers who have made a fixed income thru gambling.

That's why there are professional gamblers. These people know how to manage their bankroll properly, plus their good gambling skills, that's why even the difficult part, which is turning their gambling activity into revenue, they made it possible.

For us casual gamblers, we can't be like that so that's where the part of only gamble the amount afford to lose should be applied.

True. But also don't forget that pretty often those "professional gamblers" lose a lot, sometimes everything, because of extremely bad luck. So, for every gambler I would recommend your attitude: see himself as a casual gambler.

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Quote from: dimonstration on June 28, 2021, 10:13:12 AM

But not all gamblers or addicted gamblers is ready to seek help,some were too immature to accept the fact that they are addicts and they need to change if they want to make their lives better. There is a need for the people who surrounds them to understand be patient and to not give up on pursuing their love ones to stop the addiction. It's hard but somehow if that person really want to change they'll be able to do it.

I don't think so, remember that we have two layers in our mind which is the conscious and unconscious mind, what I am trying to say is that they might not want to get help consciously but their unconscious self knows better that they really need the help.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 28, 2021, 02:52:06 AM

Experienced gamblers tend doing this and manage to make things possible, with skills and luck combined they are gaining decent benefits.
Most of the time, ordinary gamblers lose more each time they've attempt to play for money, the control over emotion made them suffer as they can't manage it correctly.
They can if they are good in managing their money, can't be done if you don't know how to limit yourself, if you keep pushing forward even your status is already falling behind your target.
You need to realize how much risk you can take and limit yourself , keep the fun and forget about being greedy. If you can do that then you are good to go.
Indeed, being being contented with your winnings is far better than losing your entire bankroll. 🙂

Sometimes, experienced gamblers can't get that benefits as we knew that in gambling, losses will always be behind us. The ordinary gambler will not have a chance to control their emotion because they do not learn more about them. But if they can learn about that and try to manage their money, they will perhaps get that benefit and recover their losses, but that is still not easy. I agree that limiting the money will be what we must do to minimize the risk of losing bigger money. But you need always to be careful with greed because greed will come to you no matter your condition. Lastly, it is better to stop for a while and leave the game if you already win.

Quote from: AicecreaME on June 28, 2021, 07:03:58 AM

Keeping records of their gambling expenses and profits is more depressing and stressful if they'll do that, so they choose to avoid it or they don't really want to do it because it's just a waste of time or whatever. All they wanted is to win every time they play gambling, however, like most of us knows, most of the time the majority of gamblers are losing.

That's why making it as your job to earn money is never an option, because that's not how gambling works, it's a 30:70 chance of winning, as always.

Perhaps, that is the thing a gambler considers not to record their gambling experience because when they see their losses in that record, that can make them sad, and perhaps, they will have a passion for recovering their losses. But if they are responsible gamblers, they will do anything to make sure that they will break their limit by spending more money instead will use the limited money to gamble. If they use gambling as a job, they need to see what happened to them before to see if gambling is a match to them or they need to search for other jobs.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on June 28, 2021, 09:15:33 AM

I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and his life is ruined because of it. So I understand the importance of controlling emotions when
playing gambling, but as you said controlling emotions is not an easy thing to be done by people who are addicted. Because after all, people
who are addicted can no longer think rationally, their emotions are out of control. So it takes the help of others to deal with people who are addicted.

But not all gamblers or addicted gamblers is ready to seek help,some were too immature to accept the fact that they are addicts and they need to change if they want to make their lives better. There is a need for the people who surrounds them to understand be patient and to not give up on pursuing their love ones to stop the addiction. It's hard but somehow if that person really want to change they'll be able to do it.

It's also a sad fact that not everyone who is addicted is ready to seek help. What's even more terrifying is that those who are addicted do not realize
they are already addicted, this usually happens all around us. Therefore, sometimes it takes a sense of care from others if we see people who are
addicted. Without the support of the closest people, it is not easy to cure people who are addicted, so we all have to care about other people.
But the desire to quit oneself must also exist, without the desire to quit from someone who is addicted it will be difficult to cure gambling addiction.

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Quote from: Yamifoud on June 27, 2021, 06:07:01 PM

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In that case, that ain't make sense...you will just forget it.
If we are in the stage of addition, that means that we are not responsible gamblers anymore. Addiction makes it hard for us to think about what is right and what is wrong, we are mentally unhealthy, all thing is our mind is to keep gambling without minding how much we lose.
If they will not help themselves to change their mind and stop addiction, that gonna last forever.

The only people who could people anyone when they are addicted are family and close friends because every addict things that he is having control over the things he is addicted to, be it drugs or alcohol and when it comes to gambling it is still the same even when you loose huge amounts of money.

Even in online gambling space you will see many obsessive gamblers who does not know how to stop unless they loose millions of dollars.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on June 28, 2021, 09:15:33 AM

I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and his life is ruined because of it. So I understand the importance of controlling emotions when
playing gambling, but as you said controlling emotions is not an easy thing to be done by people who are addicted. Because after all, people
who are addicted can no longer think rationally, their emotions are out of control. So it takes the help of others to deal with people who are addicted.

But not all gamblers or addicted gamblers is ready to seek help,some were too immature to accept the fact that they are addicts and they need to change if they want to make their lives better. There is a need for the people who surrounds them to understand be patient and to not give up on pursuing their love ones to stop the addiction. It's hard but somehow if that person really want to change they'll be able to do it.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on June 28, 2021, 09:15:33 AM

I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and his life is ruined because of it. So I understand the importance of controlling emotions when
playing gambling, but as you said controlling emotions is not an easy thing to be done by people who are addicted. Because after all, people
who are addicted can no longer think rationally, their emotions are out of control. So it takes the help of others to deal with people who are addicted.

Being addicted means you already have issues that you can't handle anymore, it's a tough battle between yourself there are things that keeps encircling inside your minds and most of the time it's pointing you to keep playing and gamble your money.

Without proper help with someone who are willing to take the responsibilities, and have better knowledge with the problem it will take a long time to cure.

That personal experienced from your friend will guide you clearly not to fall with the same problem.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on June 27, 2021, 06:35:24 PM

This means that it is very important for those of us who like to play gambling to be wiser when playing gambling. Don't let emotions take over us.
One way to become a responsible gambler is to be able to control emotions when playing gambling.

Controlling emotion is what we usually see as an advise but to them, those that are addicted, they can't do it easy.

I have a friend who is addicted to gambling and his life is ruined because of it. So I understand the importance of controlling emotions when
playing gambling, but as you said controlling emotions is not an easy thing to be done by people who are addicted. Because after all, people
who are addicted can no longer think rationally, their emotions are out of control. So it takes the help of others to deal with people who are addicted.

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Quote from: AicecreaME on June 28, 2021, 07:03:58 AM

Keeping records of their gambling expenses and profits is more depressing and stressful if they'll do that, so they choose to avoid it or they don't really want to do it because it's just a waste of time or whatever. All they wanted is to win every time they play gambling, however, like most of us knows, most of the time the majority of gamblers are losing.

That's why making it as your job to earn money is never an option, because that's not how gambling works, it's a 30:70 chance of winning, as always.

For me it's not, I keep a record to know if I'm really profitable in gambling or not, that's when I like to make an experiment if it's possible to make money in gambling based on my personal experience. Everyone needs to learn how to record if they are after for consistency or improvement of their skills in gambling, it has to be taken seriously as we are dealing with the risk of losing our money here.

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Quote from: KennyR on June 22, 2021, 05:39:04 PM

Keeping the records will be truly entertaining, but if there isn't big win then it'll be a big disappointment. Therefore it won't be enjoyable, gamblers look for the ways to recover the losses and maintain the statistics with profit. These days loss of $100 has turned to be an easy thing, but someone it is a month's wage.

I doubt that many gamblers will keep the records, especially if they playing gambling because of fun. If they want to recover the losses by watching the records, they will need longer and more money to recover and they don't know how long the time to recover it. If they can see how much money they already lost in gambling, they should think about how to use that money for other things instead of playing gambling. That will be useful for them because they do not lose that money at the gambling table.

Gambling is not a regular job where you can calculate the time needed for earning this or that amount. Chances are you are going to lose even more with time in gambling instead of recovering any losses. That's why if you like to gamble, because it's entertaining and relaxing for you, earn money some other way, and spend on gambling what you can afford, but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Some gamblers are trying to use gambling as a job, and they tend to play gambling to make money. Yes, we can lose more money, and that chance is bigger if we can't control ourselves. But if they still play gambling because they want to recover their losses, that will not work for them as the losses will fall behind them. If we like to gamble, we need to treat gambling carefully and always control ourselves and enjoy the game without having a passion for winning bigger money. And if we can win that small or big money, that will be our bonus and don't try to chase a bigger winning.

Keeping records of their gambling expenses and profits is more depressing and stressful if they'll do that, so they choose to avoid it or they don't really want to do it because it's just a waste of time or whatever. All they wanted is to win every time they play gambling, however, like most of us knows, most of the time the majority of gamblers are losing.

That's why making it as your job to earn money is never an option, because that's not how gambling works, it's a 30:70 chance of winning, as always.

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Quote from: maydna on June 28, 2021, 02:31:08 AM

Some gamblers are trying to use gambling as a job, and they tend to play gambling to make money.

Experienced gamblers tend doing this and manage to make things possible, with skills and luck combined they are gaining decent benefits.

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Yes, we can lose more money, and that chance is bigger if we can't control ourselves.

Most of the time, ordinary gamblers lose more each time they've attempt to play for money, the control over emotion made them suffer as they can't manage it correctly.

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But if they still play gambling because they want to recover their losses, that will not work for them as the losses will fall behind them.

They can if they are good in managing their money, can't be done if you don't know how to limit yourself, if you keep pushing forward even your status is already falling behind your target.

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If we like to gamble, we need to treat gambling carefully and always control ourselves and enjoy the game without having a passion for winning bigger money.

You need to realize how much risk you can take and limit yourself , keep the fun and forget about being greedy. If you can do that then you are good to go.

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And if we can win that small or big money, that will be our bonus and don't try to chase a bigger winning.

Indeed, being being contented with your winnings is far better than losing your entire bankroll. 🙂

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Quote from: Betwrong on June 24, 2021, 06:43:19 AM

Quote from: maydna on June 23, 2021, 04:46:25 AM

Quote from: KennyR on June 22, 2021, 05:39:04 PM

Keeping the records will be truly entertaining, but if there isn't big win then it'll be a big disappointment. Therefore it won't be enjoyable, gamblers look for the ways to recover the losses and maintain the statistics with profit. These days loss of $100 has turned to be an easy thing, but someone it is a month's wage.

I doubt that many gamblers will keep the records, especially if they playing gambling because of fun. If they want to recover the losses by watching the records, they will need longer and more money to recover and they don't know how long the time to recover it. If they can see how much money they already lost in gambling, they should think about how to use that money for other things instead of playing gambling. That will be useful for them because they do not lose that money at the gambling table.

Gambling is not a regular job where you can calculate the time needed for earning this or that amount. Chances are you are going to lose even more with time in gambling instead of recovering any losses. That's why if you like to gamble, because it's entertaining and relaxing for you, earn money some other way, and spend on gambling what you can afford, but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Some gamblers are trying to use gambling as a job, and they tend to play gambling to make money. Yes, we can lose more money, and that chance is bigger if we can't control ourselves. But if they still play gambling because they want to recover their losses, that will not work for them as the losses will fall behind them. If we like to gamble, we need to treat gambling carefully and always control ourselves and enjoy the game without having a passion for winning bigger money. And if we can win that small or big money, that will be our bonus and don't try to chase a bigger winning.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on June 27, 2021, 06:35:24 PM

Why gambling addiction can be a serious problem, because as you explained, people who are addicted to gambling are no longer able to distinguish
right from wrong. What was on his mind was constantly playing gambling as much as possible, even to the point of experiencing financial problems.

When a gambler gets in trouble through accepting the fact that he's already addicted, he cannot distinguish himself anymore and that's hard to accept on his own. And serious problems will result with that hard fact on the like having financial troubles.

Quote from: Shasha80 on June 27, 2021, 06:35:24 PM

This means that it is very important for those of us who like to play gambling to be wiser when playing gambling. Don't let emotions take over us.
One way to become a responsible gambler is to be able to control emotions when playing gambling.

Controlling emotion is what we usually see as an advise but to them, those that are addicted, they can't do it easy.

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 24, 2021, 05:56:06 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 24, 2021, 06:43:19 AM

.. but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Don't tell that to those experienced gamblers who have made a fixed income thru gambling.

That's why there are professional gamblers. These people know how to manage their bankroll properly, plus their good gambling skills, that's why even the difficult part, which is turning their gambling activity into revenue, they made it possible.

For us casual gamblers, we can't be like that so that's where the part of only gamble the amount afford to lose should be applied.

It is undeniable that there are some people that are able to become profitable gamblers, however if we compare the numbers of those that actually achieved that goal against those that tried and failed we will see that the vast majority belongs to the latter group, this is why people recommend people to not try to reach that goal as most likely this will cause you massive losses, but if you are one of those that a are able to get those kind of results then there is nothing wrong with you thinking of gambling as your profession and to not think of it as a hobby, which is what the majority of gamblers should do.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 24, 2021, 05:45:50 PM

I will admit that I enjoy keeping records of my financial transactions so I have a very clear idea of where every single cent went, I know this is probably something that not many people will enjoy but as I said it has its uses, also while what you say about people not remembering how much money they have lost in gambling being a sign that you have not lost so much money is true, there are cases in which the opposite is true, like those that are addicted and cannot tell you how much they have lost over the years because they have lost so much money they have lost track of that amount.

Keeping a record for all your gambling transactions does not mean anything if you are an addict, you will be having all the immaculate record about the loss and the amount of money spent whenever you gamble and if you are not making any decision changes then there is no point in having these records, the fact still remains that you cannot be a responsible gambler if you are addicted and it will be too late to admit the addiction. Grin

In that case, that ain't make sense...you will just forget it.
If we are in the stage of addition, that means that we are not responsible gamblers anymore. Addiction makes it hard for us to think about what is right and what is wrong, we are mentally unhealthy, all thing is our mind is to keep gambling without minding how much we lose.
If they will not help themselves to change their mind and stop addiction, that gonna last forever.

Why gambling addiction can be a serious problem, because as you explained, people who are addicted to gambling are no longer able to distinguish
right from wrong. What was on his mind was constantly playing gambling as much as possible, even to the point of experiencing financial problems.
This means that it is very important for those of us who like to play gambling to be wiser when playing gambling. Don't let emotions take over us.
One way to become a responsible gambler is to be able to control emotions when playing gambling.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 27, 2021, 04:51:33 PM

Quote from: Silberman on June 24, 2021, 05:45:50 PM

I will admit that I enjoy keeping records of my financial transactions so I have a very clear idea of where every single cent went, I know this is probably something that not many people will enjoy but as I said it has its uses, also while what you say about people not remembering how much money they have lost in gambling being a sign that you have not lost so much money is true, there are cases in which the opposite is true, like those that are addicted and cannot tell you how much they have lost over the years because they have lost so much money they have lost track of that amount.

Keeping a record for all your gambling transactions does not mean anything if you are an addict, you will be having all the immaculate record about the loss and the amount of money spent whenever you gamble and if you are not making any decision changes then there is no point in having these records, the fact still remains that you cannot be a responsible gambler if you are addicted and it will be too late to admit the addiction. Grin

In that case, that ain't make sense...you will just forget it.
If we are in the stage of addition, that means that we are not responsible gamblers anymore. Addiction makes it hard for us to think about what is right and what is wrong, we are mentally unhealthy, all thing is our mind is to keep gambling without minding how much we lose.
If they will not help themselves to change their mind and stop addiction, that gonna last forever.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 24, 2021, 05:45:50 PM

I will admit that I enjoy keeping records of my financial transactions so I have a very clear idea of where every single cent went, I know this is probably something that not many people will enjoy but as I said it has its uses, also while what you say about people not remembering how much money they have lost in gambling being a sign that you have not lost so much money is true, there are cases in which the opposite is true, like those that are addicted and cannot tell you how much they have lost over the years because they have lost so much money they have lost track of that amount.

Keeping a record for all your gambling transactions does not mean anything if you are an addict, you will be having all the immaculate record about the loss and the amount of money spent whenever you gamble and if you are not making any decision changes then there is no point in having these records, the fact still remains that you cannot be a responsible gambler if you are addicted and it will be too late to admit the addiction. Grin

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 27, 2021, 02:10:49 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on June 24, 2021, 05:56:06 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 24, 2021, 06:43:19 AM

.. but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Don't tell that to those experienced gamblers who have made a fixed income thru gambling.

That's why there are professional gamblers. These people know how to manage their bankroll properly, plus their good gambling skills, that's why even the difficult part, which is turning their gambling activity into revenue, they made it possible.

For us casual gamblers, we can't be like that so that's where the part of only gamble the amount afford to lose should be applied.

How many of these gamblers do you know? I'm sure if you know someone it's someone who wrote a book or blogged on YouTube or sells "working" strategies, right? If there is some kind of working strategy, then you need to keep silent about it, otherwise it will quickly stop working. I'm not sure about the honesty of those people who brag about their successes.

Success can't be bragged about, and if it's shouted off by the gambler who succeeded, then he doesn't succeed at all and only claiming it to gain fame. There is no gambler in this world who can turn gambling into a revenue except those who were lucky enough to win lotteries/ jackpots or at least won a hefty life changing amount through gambling then they stop doing it. If a gambler remains addicted, there are always those chances of losing the money. No gambler can always book profits (even with losses).

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Quote from: chaser15 on June 24, 2021, 05:56:06 PM

Quote from: Betwrong on June 24, 2021, 06:43:19 AM

.. but don't try to earn money through gambling.

Don't tell that to those experienced gamblers who have made a fixed income thru gambling.

That's why there are professional gamblers. These people know how to manage their bankroll properly, plus their good gambling skills, that's why even the difficult part, which is turning their gambling activity into revenue, they made it possible.

For us casual gamblers, we can't be like that so that's where the part of only gamble the amount afford to lose should be applied.

How many of these gamblers do you know? I'm sure if you know someone it's someone who wrote a book or blogged on YouTube or sells "working" strategies, right? If there is some kind of working strategy, then you need to keep silent about it, otherwise it will quickly stop working. I'm not sure about the honesty of those people who brag about their successes.

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