be.open & Sancho18 - bounty cheaters. - page 2.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 06:12:24 AM

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I beg for @KTChampions and @ be.open.
Never bring my name again in your topic, I have already said here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52790024

Honestly, i have dozens of cases i found like this.

Note:
If someone in my opinion has an account that exceeds one, if it does not violate the rules that exist in the bitcointalk Forum, cheat etc., I cannot say the account is guilty, prohibited or given something legitimate

If the evidence is invalid, no cheating etc.

The words issued by @ be.open, to the Alt account @sne.su ,I clarify that it was not hacked, the original holder @ be.open, from the beginning until now.

Wake up, the 18th one day after being found connected,
Gmail was changed on the 19th. By @be.open.

Proof:

Link: https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=sne.su

Accounts that are hacked or stolen, sold, gmail must be replaced by hackers or people bought from scratch on hacks, not now.

Link: Topic: Recovering hacked/lost accounts

In this case the accusation is also not strong, because @ be.open told @KTChampions about hacking, because words do not violate the rules.

The Merit problem, everyone sends the same thing between accounts to someone else's account, that can't be one reason the error is strong enough.

So, please, my name is not involved again with this accusation.

If you @KTChampions, have very strong and proven evidence @ be.open guilty of fraud, post here: Topic: Known Alts of any-one - A User Generated List Mk III (2019 Q4)
I was the first to give a gift.
Warning:
With conditions, accounts that violate @ be.open and @ sne.su. no other.

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Quote from: be.open on October 22, 2019, 06:29:02 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 06:12:24 AM

Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

I have already shown above that there is no plagiarism.

And in any case, plagiarism is a matter in the competence of the moderator. The local staff has already given you a vanishing answer on this.

Lies, plagiarism is undeniable.
According to your link, the moderator explains that he did not make a ban request, as he believed in your fairy tale about the "stolen account".

LoyceV

Very sorry. You could help make Ru locale a little cleaner, but you didn’t help. I can not insist on this.
But once again I remind you: I have nothing personal regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 06:12:24 AM

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

I'm going to click "unwatch" on this thread, I've wasted enough time reading this vendetta.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 06:12:24 AM

Earlier you wrote:

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 09:40:44 AM

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ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. ~

Yes, I wrote it earlier. Why are you pulling my words out of context? Is it really so difficult to quote even a complete paragraph?

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 09:40:44 AM

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.

At that moment, I only knew that the account was probably hacked, the circumstances of the hack were clarified later.

Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 06:12:24 AM

Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

I have already shown above that there is no plagiarism.

And in any case, plagiarism is a matter in the competence of the moderator. The local staff has already given you a vanishing answer on this.

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Quote from: be.open on October 22, 2019, 05:35:11 AM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 03:23:00 AM

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

There is no lie, no contradiction. Accounts were hacked using social hacking. A friend asked for help and received it. There would be no request - there would be no loss of control. I am vulnerable to requests for help from friends, this is my weakness. I can get rid of her and become more invulnerable. But my life without friends will become more lonely and less joyful. And I decided that this is not a bug, but a feature.

Earlier you wrote:

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 09:40:44 AM

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ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. ~

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 10:56:45 AM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 17, 2019, 10:27:01 AM

I read, there was plagiarism. Or is it not considered? Grin

Thank you, dear, I knew that you won’t be able to hold on for a long time with your hands washed from my family and will want to rummage around in my shit again. Grin

Hmm, even I don’t remember ever writing about MMM at all, I think this account was hacked.

And you turned to the moderator in the Ru local for advice on how to restore access to the stolen account.
Now it’s clear that you did this in order to avoid accusations of plagiarism that was found by lovesmayfamilis.

And now you are claiming that both accounts were donated by you to your friend.

I hope LoyceV and YOSHIE will like this story as they tried to figure out this whole situation.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 03:23:00 AM

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

There is no lie, no contradiction. Accounts were hacked using social hacking. A friend asked for help and received it. There would be no request - there would be no loss of control. I am vulnerable to requests for help from friends, this is my weakness. I can get rid of her and become more invulnerable. But my life without friends will become more lonely and less joyful, although much easier. And I decided that this is "not a bug, but a feature".

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 22, 2019, 03:23:00 AM

Quote from: MFahad on October 22, 2019, 01:12:42 AM

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

You probably missed some of the information in the comments.

The facts are undeniable: a group of accounts is connected through the use of the same wallets, through merit, through the same behavior and vocabulary. There are undeniable facts about bounty cheating and merit abuse.

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

Maybe i have missed some information but what about the other DT eyes, they are not being convinced.
lovesmayfamilis has also removed her tag, and your feedback does not matter much unless you become a DT member.
I do not see any further progress on it, unless you dig out something more.

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Quote from: MFahad on October 22, 2019, 01:12:42 AM

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

You probably missed some of the information in the comments.

The facts are undeniable: a group of accounts is connected through the use of the same wallets, through merit, through the same behavior and vocabulary. There are undeniable facts about bounty cheating and merit abuse.

And we ourselves see the lies and deceit that come from be.open: a few days ago he said that accounts sne.su and more^power were stolen, and now he says that he gave (as a gift) them to his friend (the owner of the account farm Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh), do you like it when you are being deceived?

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Quote from: be.open on October 15, 2019, 01:57:14 PM

Quote from: MFahad on October 15, 2019, 01:52:46 PM

Anyways your decision has already been taken.

Good Luck

The decision made is hasty and erroneous, and does not take into account the circumstances I have provided here. Tnx.

ps I consider the topic title to be offensive and untrue, it casts a shadow on my reputation a priori. Please change it from affirmative to interrogative. Otherwise, after the explanations I have already made, this statement turns into slander.

I would like to re-enter here as i be watching this interesting case all the way through. Coming back to the presumption of innocence, I would say that doubt remains even after plagiarism & more accounts were found. You had a good 10 days trail, but nothing found which can make the doubt into reality.

According to the definition, this case should be closed now.

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The presumption of innocence is the legal principle that one is considered innocent unless proven guilty. ... The prosecution must in most cases prove that the accused is guilty beyond reasonable doubt. If reasonable doubt remains, the accused must be acquitted.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 21, 2019, 02:18:01 PM

Continuation of a beautiful fairy tale:

Glad you liked it.

Quote from: KTChampions on October 21, 2019, 02:18:01 PM

Let me remind you that lovesmayfamilis found plagiarism in the sne.su account.

Not enough evidence. The message referred to by the lovesmayfamilis does not exist. And when it existed, there was no plagiarism, but missing quoting in the body of a unique message.

I ask you to re-close the topic due to insufficient evidence and lack of corpus delicti (no victims - this is a rehabilitative foundation).

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Continuation of a beautiful fairy tale:

Quote from: be.open on October 20, 2019, 11:22:27 PM

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This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

After I showed that this story is very illogical and contrary to common sense for various reason, be.open came up with a new story: both accounts (sne.su, more^power) were not stolen; they were donated by be.open himself to his friend.

Look what he said about this before here:

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 09:40:44 AM

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.

and in local:

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 10:56:45 AM

Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on October 17, 2019, 10:27:01 AM

I read, there was plagiarism. Or is it not considered? Grin

Thank you, dear, I knew that you won’t be able to hold on for a long time with your hands washed from my family and will want to rummage around in my shit again. Grin

Hmm, even I don’t remember ever writing about MMM at all, I think this account was hacked.

Quote from: be.open on October 17, 2019, 02:24:45 PM

~Ahead of the second series, the account sne.su, long forgotten by me, surfaced, which turned out to have managed to live an independent life for almost a year, and wrote some kind of
ridiculous crap about MMM and it seems with plagiarism. Now a ban shines to him, and, accordingly, by the chain, to me. I myself am in aah from my rich forum biography. I need to sleep a bit.

Let me remind you that lovesmayfamilis found plagiarism in the sne.su account.
Account more^power participated in the bounty simultaneously with Sancho18 and in another bounty simultaneously with be.open.

be.open regained control of sne.su account with help of Bitcointalk account recovery team and only now (when new contradictions surfaced) remembered that he gave (as a gift) this account to a friend (who owns Bonanzabits,Prod and Kutkh).

Do not anyone think that be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh exceeded the limit of lies and considers everyone to be idiots?

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Quote from: yahoo62278 on October 21, 2019, 05:49:55 AM

Quote from: be.open on October 21, 2019, 05:22:01 AM

your violations are much more serious than mine

Not that I care to get involved but since you guys are making me read this shitstorm daily, the above bolded statement brings my thoughts to you are admitting your guilt?

I’m not guilty here, but it seems that in the past I made a couple of optional unforced errors, for which I am not proud. However, this only proves that I am a living person. And there was no malicious intent in my actions, no one was hurt from my mistakes. I corrected the previous message so that there would no longer be the temptation to take the wish for the reality. I also removed my evidence from the previous page (it’s understood that they did not cease to exist) so as not to put my family's safety at unnecessary risk. I hope for your understanding, I have nothing to hide, but this does not mean that I should exhibit my personal life, tnx.

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Quote from: be.open on October 21, 2019, 05:22:01 AM

your violations are much more serious than mine

Not that I care to get involved but since you guys are making me read this shitstorm daily, the above bolded statement brings my thoughts to you are admitting your guilt?

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 21, 2019, 04:54:15 AM

I do not pursue personal goals regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh, nothing personal.
I'm just trying to make the forum cleaner (and especially RU local) and since I see what these users are involved in, I show these unpleasant facts.
I think that merit abuse, cheating in bounty, plagiarism or criminal activity of “be.open's friend ” in the form of hacking accounts deserves a red tag/ban.
Facts say that all these accounts are connected. All the excuses "this is my son, this is my friend’s farm, this account was hijacked and not me wrote" these are just words.

Your motives could be approved if I wrote shit posts, and there would be at least one victim who could say "Hey, my steak turned out to be less because of his alt activity". And when this is not (and this is not), everything becomes too much like the personal attack of a hungry troll. But trolling is prohibited by the rules of the forum, paragraph 3. Forcing for doxxing is also discouraged. Therefore, I am sorry, but you have turned from a prosecutor into an accused, and your violations are much more serious than "mine".

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 21, 2019, 04:07:12 AM

We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?

As you can see, I am doing all the work.

I do not understand your talk about vendetta. I only show the facts. The previous group of hightrank scammers I caught is also something personal? I did not even know these users before I caught them.

@YOSHIE

I do not pursue personal goals regarding be.open/sne.su/more^power/Sancho18/Bonanzabits/Prod/Kutkh, nothing personal.
I'm just trying to make the forum cleaner (and especially RU local) and since I see what these users are involved in, I show these unpleasant facts.
I think that merit abuse, cheating in bounty, plagiarism or criminal activity of “be.open's friend ” in the form of hacking accounts deserves a red tag/ban.
Facts say that all these accounts are connected. All the excuses "this is my son, this is my friend’s farm, this account was hijacked and not me wrote" these are just words.

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Quote from: LoyceV on October 21, 2019, 04:07:12 AM

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 20, 2019, 08:17:47 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 20, 2019, 07:24:03 PM

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol. Dude, you're grasping at straws.
~snip~
This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

Agreed. We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?

I am glad that now the motive for personal revenge seems obvious to you. Unfortunately, to protect my reputation, I had to provide evidence that is very personal for me and now, if desired, everyone can easily find out my full real name, what I look like, maybe my exact address and phone number. This whole topic looks like a well-planned attack for my deanonymization, and I must admit - it is almost a success. This goes beyond discussing reputation issues. I am not confused by the possibility of my deanonymization, but I am categorically against the unceremonious unreasonable invasion of my privacy and I care about the safety of my family. I hope the moderators will respond adequately, tnx.

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@KTChampions and @ be.open, I don't know the problems you are facing right now.

At first this accusation will not be finished, you attack each other.

After @ be.open verified the BTC address of his son @ Sancho18 I considered complete, nothing was discussed anymore, @ be.open only had one Alt @ sne.su account, and that was given neutral by @suchmoon.

However, I think this problem is enough here and resolved peacefully, but I don't think this topic will be reopened with other accusations, it is beyond my mind from, the real purpose of @KTChampions.

Why I don't give red trust to: @ be.open and @ sne.su, because they don't cheat on the bitcointalk Forum.

Initially, the meeting I posted above @ be.open and @ Sancho18 registered in the same bounty, right I think Alt @ be.open.
But after everything is filled in the BTC address the child is verified, so I assume @ Sancho18 is indeed his child @ be.open.

In this Forum many members have 2 or more accounts, if found cheating in one prize is prohibited.
while he's fine, no break the rules. I think he is safe.

Honestly I do not know the problems you face.
I can only suggest that both of you, @KTChampions and @ be.open are both Russians. Your reputation is good both globally and locally.

Peace is beautiful, for example eating one plate together.
So, ashamed to be seen by many people in this Forum, what do people say in Reputation has a topic Russia vs Russia. It's good to watch, peace choice is a wise step.

It all depends on you, both ways of thinking good and bad, but now bad and good are in front of you two.

"Every rain stops and every war there is peace."

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 20, 2019, 08:17:47 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 20, 2019, 07:24:03 PM

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol. Dude, you're grasping at straws.
~snip~
This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

Agreed. We get it, KTChampions doesn't like be.open. First he tried to get him tagged, then he tried to have him banned, and after that failed he's back at trying to get him tagged again. I'd say: lock this, and ignore users you don't like.
~~Fun fact: KTChampions hasn't even tagged be.open on his own. Why wait for others to do your dirty work?~~
I stand corrected. Sorry.

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Quote from: KTChampions on October 21, 2019, 03:22:16 AM

Quote from: be.open on October 20, 2019, 11:22:27 PM

This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

When plagiarism was found on sne.su, you said "it was hacked" because you could no longer deny that this was your alt account.
Now a similar story. Do you really think that all forum participants are idiots and you can cheat them endlessly?

Quote from: more^power on May 06, 2018, 10:26:11 AM

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Well, at the expense of the Japanese and Monero, yes, I wonder what our regulars will say? poptop? be.open? What do you think?

http://archive.md/TxBpK

Your friend hacker stole an account and started talking to you from it. Cool story.

The truth is simple, both accounts were socially hacked at the same time and in one way. And I know who did this, because I managed to regain control of the sne.su account. I think I can also restore control over the more^power account, this will require additional efforts and I'm not sure what it needs to be done. Now I have enough of one active account, and I already have two (be.open and sne.su), thanks to you. Is it worth it to wake up the third (what if the Dragon is there)?

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 20, 2019, 08:17:47 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on October 20, 2019, 07:24:03 PM

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol. Dude, you're grasping at straws. I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.

I just give the facts. This phrase is written from just three accounts in the world. Proof. And, presumably, it was written by 1 or 2 or 3 people. This forum fights plagiarism fiercely and many people have been banned for less.

Quote from: DireWolfM14 on October 20, 2019, 08:17:47 PM

In fact, here I go again: This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.

I don’t know why you think that there is something personal. I just do not like cheaters and liars. As YOSHIE

Quote from: YOSHIE on October 17, 2019, 11:27:37 AM

I hate multiple accounts, cheating, and lying.

and many other forum participants.

Quote from: be.open on October 20, 2019, 11:22:27 PM

This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

When plagiarism was found on sne.su, you said "it was hacked" because you could no longer deny that this was your alt account.
Now a similar story. Do you really think that all forum participants are idiots and you can cheat them endlessly?

Quote from: more^power on May 06, 2018, 10:26:11 AM

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Well, at the expense of the Japanese and Monero, yes, I wonder what our regulars will say? poptop? be.open? What do you think?

http://archive.md/TxBpK

Your friend hacker stole an account and started talking to you from it. Cool story.

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