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Sancho
October 21, 2019, 12:00:23 AM
#78
It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.  I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.  Half the forum would be fucked if that was the case.  I know I qualify from time to time.  In fact, here I go again:  This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.
I think the only asshole here is KTChampions. My father has a very strict personal code of honor and his always strong enough to follow it. This is a Hero with a cosmic wide consciousness, and an impressive set of life skills. He loves me very much and does not require anything in return. To have such an outstanding living example before my eyes is for me both a curse and a reward.
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White Russian
October 20, 2019, 10:22:27 PM
#77
The topic has to be opened again.
Really, again? Well, I will answer.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game ~
When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities,~

Checking Sancho18's messages revealed that it was a lie.

be.open claims that he engaged his 15-year-old son to the crypto in a game form through participation in bounty campaigns.
Sancho18 Date Registered:   June 02, 2017, 15 years old, new to crypto.
On July 8th, he already has a diversified portfolio consisting of “bitcoin, top altcoins and exotic crypto shit”. Top altcoins are on Bittrex and he is actively trading them.
In October, he already has a full Bitcoin node on a separate laptop.
A lot of messages devoted to trading on Bittrex and it follows from them that he has been doing this for a long time.
He advises friends (apparently also schoolchildren) to think about a retirement strategy. A lot of various messages that say that an adult writes from this account. Given the fact that the vocabulary, topics and even events about which the posts are written coincide, I conclude that this is be.open.
~ I have a little bit of NEX and ARDX on my bittrex account,~
~
There are a few NEX on bittrex, ~
My son has a rich creative imagination and a close family relationship with me. Very gifted child. A little higher, YOSHIE confirmed that I was telling the truth.

Now a small visualization of the merits movement between accounts:



From be.open we "know":
1.) sne.su is his alt.
2.) Sancho18 is his son.
3.) Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits is a farm of his friend.

Who is more^power?
This is my ex alt account, I made it just because I can and because I feel more power (so I called him that). For a long time it is not active and for an even longer time I do not manage it. He was hacked by social hacking, around the first quarter of 2018. I did not feel affected by the loss of control over an account that I do not need, so I did nothing. I am its creator, but this is not my alt account for a long time. If this is a problem, I think I can solve it, I know who hacked me. If not a problem, I would prefer to continue to do nothing. I don’t want to testify against my friend, he is, among other things, a cool social hacker, I do not approve of some of his methods, and he is still my friend. If you think that someone has suffered from his activities, you can conduct a separate investigation on this issue. For now he is not active on the forum for about a year.

I know that from the outside it may look like selling an account, but I didn’t. At the beginning of 2018, I was already rich enough, and I just did not need it. An indirect proof of this is the very existence of some evidence against me, creating an account for sale I would take care that they were not there. I never sold accounts, this contradicts my inner beliefs.

Cheating  [Bounty]MODULE

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- Using multi-accounts, spam, bots and so on are strictly prohibited, all attempted users will be banned.

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# 25 27.07.2018 15:55:52   more^power  Full Member 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C
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# 343 26.07.2018 13:47:21   be.open Sr. Member 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rPq9cUMrDiOIRI0pw3R1fjb8bKWymkl_rKNPJIMULyY/edit#gid=1318387486
Perhaps this episode looks a little dubious to me. But that was after I lost control of more^power account. A stylistic and semantic expertise in the history of messages in that period will easily confirm the correctness of my words. I also want to note that I did not receive a reward for this campaign and removed my signature after one week of participation, proof. Throughout this long story of accusation against me, there is not a single victim.



Cheating AdSana bounty

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Multiple accounts are not allowed and will result in banning you from our campaign.

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#20 Sancho18 0x32971bEd557C6A8dA1c5C8c4053b68ce610FDe76
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#28 More^power 0x8D176194f1a20072009ed8DD958C7301fded9c5C
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17FYhxddLNYRZaBGz_hb_52Xlvt04J6u6_dLbnKImY98/edit#gid=1050052320

Sancho18 is not my alt account, therefore, there are no violations.

In addition to all this, there is an interesting nuance - plagiarism.

Пpиcoeдиняюcь, paз вce тaк cлoжнo. Xopoшaя paбoтa, чeлoвeк вмecтo пoнимaния cвoeй вины, yпepтo дoкaзывaeт oбpaтнoe. Бpaт, cвaт... вce этo былo.
Bceгдa yвaжaлa мнeниe Coolcryptovator .
Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~
http://archive.md/5Lcrn
A тo, чтo пpeдлaгaeтe вы, вызoвeт гaлoпиpyющyю инфляцию, и этo нe pитopичecкий вoпpoc.

Cкaжитe этo Цyкepбepгy ))

Инфляция вызoвeт дeфицит тoвapoв - пpoизвeдyт eщe.

B нaшe вpeмя пpoизвecти тoвap - нe пpoблeмa. Пpoблeмa eгo пpoдaть.

Mы живём вo вpeмeнa кpизиca пepeпpoизвoдcтвa. Toвapы ecть, a дeнeг y людeй нeт. Taк-чтo инфляция тyт нe cтpaшнa. Hyжнo coздaть изoбилиe дeнeг.
Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~
http://archive.md/Zvend
I will explain an interesting nuance. The highlighted phrase can be considered an idiomatic introductory sentence. It consists of the commonly used prefix "as say" and quotation marks with quotation indicating the author, and the quote is short and easy to quote from memory. I sometimes use it in my private life, and her son has repeatedly heard from me.

If the message consisted entirely of this one phrase - this could represent some problem. But this is only the introductory part of the messages, as indicated by the tilde. The entire message is not plagiarized, even if the introductory part is formally plagiarized (without infringement of copyright).

Google search by this phrase gives out  3 results:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1955840 Sancho18 on btt
https://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?t=798397&start=120 be-open on popgun
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/5/1906656.html and this message on mirror.

So:
1.) If be-open from popgun is an individual person then be.open/Sancho18 should be banned.
2.) If be-open from popgun is be.open from btt then Sancho18 should be banned.
3.) If be-open from popgun is Sancho18 from btt then be.open should be banned.
4.) If this is one person, then he must somehow prove it.

Here you crossed the point of no return, a long chain of false conclusions brought you here. It becomes crystal clear here that this is just a vulgar vendetta. Forced personal trolling for doxxing detected. Such actions are unacceptable in a forum that respects anonymity and privacy.

Update: Evidence was here and then removed to protect my anonymity and privacy. If necessary, I can provide them again.


ps If you still have any questions, I am open for a constructive dialogue.
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October 20, 2019, 07:17:47 PM
#76
It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

Lol.  Dude, you're grasping at straws.  I can see why you would think be.open is an asshole, but no one is getting banned for being an asshole.  Half the forum would be fucked if that was the case.  I know I qualify from time to time.  In fact, here I go again:  This vendetta you've got against be.open is reflecting as poorly on you as you wish it were on him.
legendary
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October 20, 2019, 06:41:36 PM
#75
It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.

They're not gonna get banned for a properly sourced and quoted phrase.
legendary
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October 20, 2019, 06:24:03 PM
#74
The topic has to be opened again.

Sancho is my son’s account, now he is 17, and for him, participating in the bounty campaigns was something like a fun game ~
When you manage to interest your 15-year-old teenage son into engaging in any joint activities,~

Checking Sancho18's messages revealed that it was a lie.

be.open claims that he engaged his 15-year-old son to the crypto in a game form through participation in bounty campaigns.
Sancho18 Date Registered:   June 02, 2017, 15 years old, new to crypto.
On July 8th, he already has a diversified portfolio consisting of “bitcoin, top altcoins and exotic crypto shit”. Top altcoins are on Bittrex and he is actively trading them.
In October, he already has a full Bitcoin node on a separate laptop.
A lot of messages devoted to trading on Bittrex and it follows from them that he has been doing this for a long time.
He advises friends (apparently also schoolchildren) to think about a retirement strategy. A lot of various messages that say that an adult writes from this account. Given the fact that the vocabulary, topics and even events about which the posts are written coincide, I conclude that this is be.open.
~ I have a little bit of NEX and ARDX on my bittrex account,~
~
There are a few NEX on bittrex, ~

Now a small visualization of the merits movement between accounts:



From be.open we "know":
1.) sne.su is his alt.
2.) Sancho18 is his son.
3.) Prod, Kutkh and Bonanzabits is a farm of his friend.

Who is more^power?

Bonanzabits Last Active:   October 18, 2019, 10:02:56 PM http://archive.md/bbpu8
Prod Last Active:             October 18, 2019, 10:02:15 PM http://archive.md/oiNMa
Kutkh Last Active:           October 18, 2019, 10:03:54 PM http://archive.md/60Lsm
more^power Last Active:   October 18, 2019, 10:03:26 PM http://archive.md/8ESBL

~
Tell me, will the weekly progress be somehow indicated in the tables of the signature campaign, or will everything be calculated at the end? It seems that there was a demand to write less evenly throughout the entire campaign, in which case it would be logical to mark weekly stakes for the participants.
http://archive.md/Pw3WA

Пpиcoeдиняюcь, paз вce тaк cлoжнo. Xopoшaя paбoтa, чeлoвeк вмecтo пoнимaния cвoeй вины, yпepтo дoкaзывaeт oбpaтнoe. Бpaт, cвaт... вce этo былo.
Bceгдa yвaжaлa мнeниe Coolcryptovator .
Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~
http://archive.md/5Lcrn
A тo, чтo пpeдлaгaeтe вы, вызoвeт гaлoпиpyющyю инфляцию, и этo нe pитopичecкий вoпpoc.

Cкaжитe этo Цyкepбepгy ))

Инфляция вызoвeт дeфицит тoвapoв - пpoизвeдyт eщe.

B нaшe вpeмя пpoизвecти тoвap - нe пpoблeмa. Пpoблeмa eгo пpoдaть.

Mы живём вo вpeмeнa кpизиca пepeпpoизвoдcтвa. Toвapы ecть, a дeнeг y людeй нeт. Taк-чтo инфляция тyт нe cтpaшнa. Hyжнo coздaть изoбилиe дeнeг.
Кaк гoвopил Бeнeдикт Cпинoзa, "ccылкa нa aвтopитeт нe ecть дoвoд".
~
http://archive.md/Zvend

Google search by this phrase gives out  3 results:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--1955840 Sancho18 on btt
https://popgun.ru/viewtopic.php?t=798397&start=120 be-open on popgun
http://guns.allzip.org/topic/5/1906656.html and this message on mirror.

So:
1.) If be-open from popgun is an individual person then be.open/Sancho18 should be banned.
2.) If be-open from popgun is be.open from btt then Sancho18 should be banned.
3.) If be-open from popgun is Sancho18 from btt then be.open should be banned.
4.) If this is one person, then he must somehow prove it.

It seems to me that the ideal option is to ban all these users (along with the alts) and if someone wants to return to the forum, he will solve this issue in Meta. I don’t think that he/any of them will tell the truth here.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 11:24:51 AM
#73
Yes, now I acknowledge that @ Sancho18 is his son, @ be.open.
Sorry for my emotions, your case is finished and I declare finished.

Bitcoin addresses are at stake.

Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52789869

Quoted and Verified.

@KTChampions, please lock the topic, @ be.open is telling the truth. Only one Atl account belongs to @ be.open, @sne.su. If you do not mind.

Given the fact that plagiarism was found and now be.open/sne.su is sent to the moderators topic is locked.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 10:57:24 AM
#72
Yes, now I acknowledge that @ Sancho18 is his son, @ be.open.
Sorry for my emotions, your case is finished and I declare finished.

Bitcoin addresses are at stake.

Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52789869

Quoted and Verified.

@KTChampions, please lock the topic, @ be.open is telling the truth. Only one Atl account belongs to @ be.open, @sne.su. If you do not mind.
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White Russian
October 17, 2019, 10:54:15 AM
#71
Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.

I never lie, it's too energy consuming. I do not always tell the whole truth, like any of us here, because I value my privacy. This is normal, calm down. Please do not run into my son, he is not quite an adult yet. If you want to talk, talk to me.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 10:49:23 AM
#70
Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address
I'm not sure what you're going for, but let's not start risking our Bitcoin addresses!
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Sancho
October 17, 2019, 10:46:43 AM
#69
Now, Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address here: Topic: Stake your Bitcoin address here

If not, I will give red trust to both of you.

Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.

Please do not rush, English is not my native language, I'm not sure that I understood correctly what exactly I need to do. I signed the message with a bitcoin address that I have in my profile, but in general I usually use a ledger. Please do not let your hate spoil my account.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 10:27:37 AM
#68
there are enough lovers to delve into someone else's history, probably they even consider it a feat,
What this question is directed to me.

Lover, history, achievement, no.

I hate multiple accounts, cheating, and lying.
You are not honest, to yourself, your words make me a bit hooked.


A reason that is often brought up by multiple accounts and liars.
Son, uncle, wife, silly reasons do not make sense to me.

@LovceV, already said.

I've learned not to trust screenshots a long time ago. That's why I asked you to Report the PM to Admin (hilariousandco). Add a link to this thread, and ask him to confirm here.
I'm pretty sure he'll leave red trust too if it checks out.


Proof:

The main problem:



However, I can give you (red trust),
On the basis of cheating in the same campaign.


Topic: [BOUNTY]🔶Crowd Genie🔶:First Asia-wide Asset Exchange🔶ENDED!!!
 

For now you say @ Sancho18 your child.
However, the only bitcoin address at stake is yours.

Your posting history with @ Sancho18 in the same business.

Verified:

Please quote for staking. Tnx!

-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
be.open 1Fe3dEZq4qjH9o9vwTjo8y44j3idRCCz5o 21.07.2017
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1Fe3dEZq4qjH9o9vwTjo8y44j3idRCCz5o
IH1aTo+7muQFs9rprlB7rgel3OvdneU2x/0+xtkpadU7Aeek6d7UJOpvjcBz02vRm26MCfnYrRi6Ytg+VBaMiCk=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----


Now, Tell @ Sancho18, to risk a Bitcoin address here: Topic: Stake your Bitcoin address here

If not, I will give red trust to both of you.

Note:
I am not threatening, you are lying and fishing for further action.
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White Russian
October 17, 2019, 08:40:44 AM
#67
This is very time consuming and not always possible.

It's actually very simple. You create an account - you label it with a neutral trust rating.

I did it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1077612
Tnx.

LoyceV's excellent trust guide appeared just a week ago. The trust system is very complex and confusing, I'm not sure that I understand it well, and most importantly I'm not sure I want to understand it. I guess I'm an anarchist and the ideology of punk is close to me too. Therefore, it can be difficult for me to join the hierarchical system, and therefore I love bitcoin. Smiley

ps By the way, account sne.su seems to have been hacked, because I looked at the message history and I don’t remember that I wrote it. This is not my style. I find it difficult to remember when I used it for the last time, it was quite a long time ago. My usual way of perceiving the world is that I am here and now and look to the future. I do not have a very good memory and it is difficult for me to turn around to study my past. It looks like you hurried with the tag too.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 08:31:56 AM
#66
This is very time consuming and not always possible.

It's actually very simple. You create an account - you label it with a neutral trust rating.

I did it for you: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=1077612
legendary
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✿♥‿♥✿
October 17, 2019, 08:22:30 AM
#65


You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.

I left this topic,  Roll Eyes
but I can add that these 2 accounts have long been of interest to people. Here is a similar topic, from a beginner, where the nicknames of "be.open" and "Sancho18" appear

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.43010234
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White Russian
October 17, 2019, 08:16:57 AM
#64
It was originally just a promo account for my site https://sne.su/ with a quote from Jean Baudrillard, whose philosophical works influenced my worldview.

You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.
This is very time consuming and not always possible. Fortunately, there are enough lovers to delve into someone else's history, probably they even consider it a feat, I do not want to deprive them of such pleasure. I also believe, and have already said it here, that correcting my story is wrong. This makes the account refined and not genuine.

Currently be.open is my only active account.
legendary
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October 17, 2019, 08:04:23 AM
#63
You are asking a question on my message of october 16th. And you get the answer exactly on the material you are asking about. If something does not suit you, then be more precise in your questions.

Are you serious? I'm now responsible for your off topic blabber because I didn't ask the question correctly. How about you stop bringing up unrelated BS.

I'm not aware of forum rules that would be relevant to be.open cheating bounty campaigns (the topic of this thread) because forum policies typically don't cover bounties. That's why I asked. What's next? "be.open systematically violates the law"! "How"? "He was jaywalking yesterday".

It was originally just a promo account for my site https://sne.su/ with a quote from Jean Baudrillard, whose philosophical works influenced my worldview.

You could have prevented all this if you had come clean with all your alts, friends, and relatives. The fact that new ones are uncovered daily now makes us think how many others you still have.
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White Russian
October 17, 2019, 08:02:56 AM
#62
Additional details:
What do you want to hear from me, except that you are an asshole? Currently be.open is my only active account. The times of the fat bounty are long gone. The main reason I am still here is communicating with like-minded people and believing in the inevitable victory of bitcoin. Instead, I spend my time on your meager garbage.
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October 17, 2019, 07:45:22 AM
#61
Additional details:

Ok, I will delete that rule, BUT will permanently reject all those participants who didn't follow this already mentioned rules

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3: Posts must be constructive and On-topic. Spamming, low-quality posts,  copy paste and off topic, posts will not be counted.
Please update the spreadsheets.

And remember, correcting an error does not mean that you did not commit it.

You are scamer!

I will save proof link on this topic. Take yourself a new occupation, because your career bounty manager is nearing completion.
http://archive.md/tQie2

Achtung! The manager of the English thread of the bounty, Irfan Irfan, is a scamer, and these tables will most likely be filled by Irfan too, and he will throw all the bountists through the dick, as in the Rivetz and Reality Clash campaigns, guys stay away from this asshole, in vain you hired him a very unfortunate decision.
http://archive.md/G6ajH

But I do not see sne.su in these campaigns. But I see:

Reality Clash
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7/29/2017 21:26:36   29/09/2017   Sancho18   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/sancho18-1018592   Member   197   50   No      Accepted   Low quality   15   8.726907695   130.9036154   1588.852895   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5

Rivetz Bounty
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04/07/2017 21:15:12   10/09/2017   be.open   https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/beopen-986242   https://twitter.com/bitubuntu   990   acccepted   5   9.587777217   47.93888609   19.45735286   0xf73b910A78B7808C2FB755668ca4C4F8138a13b5
   
sr. member
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Sancho
October 17, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
#60
2. What number of children are @ be.open and are @ Sancho18 your sister or your sister?
No answer.
Hello, I am the only son of my father. At least I hope so. Smiley
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White Russian
October 17, 2019, 07:09:56 AM
#59
The terms of that bounty don't state that alt accounts are not allowed to be used.
You know, a while ago when I was actively tagging members who had multiple linked accounts in the same bounty I actually looked at the rules of some of these bounties, and I noticed that most of them don't have rules against this.  That's kind of when I stopped tagging people for enrolling alt accounts in bounties, even though I still think it's an unsavory practice--they're gobbling up spots that could be given to other people IMO and ultimately are being very greedy.

Basically, if the bounty manager doesn't care if the same person is using multiple accounts in a single bounty, why should I or any other DT member take the time to tag them?  It's unsavory but if it isn't against the rules it isn't cheating and it's not even really dishonest.  It sure would be nice if those bounty managers did make rules prohibiting the practice, but in their eyes the more accounts they get enrolled the more advertising they get.  

The whole system is completely fucked.
You are right, I also do not encourage such a practice. In my case, it was a single episode, and the campaign did not succeed, no one received anything, so this unfortunate accident did no harm to anyone. But I rebuke myself for that case, it was a mistake, although not dramatic.

I also want to state that I tagged Sancho18’s account as belonging to my son (and asked him to tagged my as belonging to his father). Therefore, I ask you to conduct a review of the new episode regardless of Sancho18's account, I do not want my son to suffer for my mistakes. Tnx.
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