Topic: Best/worst places to be in the United States once the USD plummets? - page 3. (Read 4656 times)

The US gov't is in so far over its head that the only way out is default.  Paying back these astronomical debts is impossible.  And if the US gov't defaults, it is game over.  The Fed will lose its exalted status as issuer of the world's reserve currency, and will go back to being just another group of banks.  That's if they are lucky.  If they are unlucky, and weren't quick enough to grab their loot and skedaddle to the Bahamas, they will be hung from lamp posts.  Or worse.

I'm sure Gorbachev said the exact same thing about the Ruble in the late 1980s.  

PS- The USD has already plummeted from 2000-present, and this trend will only accelerate.

Man I first read this and thought you said you were using a segway and I just couldn't help but think of this



made me lol a bit 

I was using as a segway whether or not it was a joke.

Aquaponics has been around for at least 3000 years so I suppose you could find a non-electric way to pump the water. If a hybrid solar / wind system that is off the grid concerns you then you could always go for an older wind powered water pump. If you get desperate, you can bucket the water by hand --- to cycle our system by hand I would need to move only 10 buckets of water three times a day in order to get the syphon actions working.

All in all, one of the better systems as the water you use does not drain away into the sold but stays in the closed system. Loses are from leakes and evaoraption only.

Pretty sure that comment was a joke. 

My thoughts exactly, the system itself looks really cool but it definitely requires electricity which poses a problem. I live in California so solar is an option but what about at nights or during prolonged cloudy periods? If we are talking about a serious societal collapse even a generator powered by propane or diesel becomes inconvenient real quick. I know their are small semi-portable wind power generators but the problem with that and solar is what do you do if something breaks or malfunctions?

That's not the primary reason.  The main reason was the way their society was organized and how the human mind works.  Rare did the tribal group grow beyond Dunbar's number without conflicts, except when there was an external threat to their people that compelled them to unite.

Although the lack of electricity to run elevators and fresh water pumps is a really good reason to leave urban areas that are concentrated enough that buildings higher than three stories were common.  City planners and emergency management professionals have long known that populations go crazy after three days without water, and either resort to unsanitary consumption that results in mass outbreaks of deadly diseases or mass civil unrest as groups who believe that resources are deliberately be held from them revolt against their perceived oppressors (whether true enough or not); often both these things.  Once upon a time, every city and town would make certain that the water towers held enough water for their demographics for three days at least, should the power fail long term and the pumps couldn't be run.  Population growth has outpaced those demographic predictions decades ago, and many urban areas couldn't supply three days without power no matter what.  Some 15 years or so ago, I worked on a public works project for the Cincinnait Water Works; installing an entire system of diesel & natural gas fired emergency pumps all controlled by central controls with minimum electric power requirements, and gensets to supply those minimums.  It's an awesome system.  It's a real pity that Cincinnati doesn't have the legal right, and therefore the capacity, to draw freshwater from the Ohio River.  They have to draw from the Little Miami and Great Miami Rivers.

Done correctly, aquaponics is hughly effective, no doubt.  But doesn't your system require electricity?

No elevators...

the best food for survival is what the american natives used to grow, the 'three sisters' they called them

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Sisters_(agriculture)


the natives of the american continents lived here for thousands of years before european's/technology came over the big pond, reverting back to their ways seems logical

p.s. they didn't live in large/giant cities for reasons, if you are serious, you gotta get to a rural area

Aquaponics sounds like the way to go.  See "Backyard Liberty: The smart, easy way to food independence", available on the Interrnet.

Dr, Arthur B. Robinson, a research chemist at the Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, recommends a ration of one part soybeans, two parts corn and two parts wheat (by weight).  Plus vitamin C and salt (sodium chloride).  The vitamin C can be omitted if some of the wheat is sprouted.  Stored in a cool, dry place as whole grains, this ration will last for decades and costs very little. This ration is in the FEMA public literature, according to him.

If you do not have a well, check out LifeSaver at  http://www.lifesaversystems.com/

I have one of their jerry cans.

Where to be when TSHTF?  Near a military base.  Preferably a Marine camp.

check out "aquaponics" if your serious about self sufficeny of food production. We have a 3000L system which holds 250 plate size fish which we grow from fingerlings. The fish excrement provides food for 8 vegetable grow beds and because they are soaked in nutrient rich waters they grow 30~40% faster than any dirt veggie garden I have had before.

Fish stock:
* Rainbow trout (winter)
* Silver perch (summer)
* Cat fish (all-round)

Veggies (seasonal):
* Snow peas
* Broccili
* Lettuce
* Chilli
* herbs (parsley, mint, corriander, lemon grass)
* corn
* broad beans
* cucumbers
* squash
* pumpkin
* water melon

We also have 8 chickens for eggs.

This covers about 75% of our grocery bill.

All of this can be achieved in a 40m^2 area. Example site  > http://www.aquaponics.com.au

Yeah, the 'a bit high' is an understatement.

This is a great concept, but the $60,000 USD price tag seems a bit high.  Also, there isn't a lot of information on their website before you throw down this kind of money.

The world is always the worst it has ever been. 

lol

Unless you're really into self-sufficiency and way out in the boondocks then you're going to need good neighbors. That's one of the reasons why New Hampshire is a good place to be. Not only are there already over 1,200 libertarian types here, but the natives are pretty darn good. We have places like Grafton, where 5-10 acre places are available that can allow subsistence farms; plus there's a lot of Free Staters and natives there that are into self-sufficiency. There's small towns all over where you can really get to know your neighbors, which helps with the safety aspect. We have two large gun manufacturers and a bunch of smaller ones, and a climate of acceptance of the right to self defense. It is a little hot in the summer, but its worth putting up with that for the freedom that comes with it.

[But I do think the total collapse scenario is unlikely. In either case though, taking steps towards self-sufficiency and good neighbors is wise counsel.]

PERMIES.COM

and another one. http://www.markhamfarm.com/

I think rural Idaho is a good place, because it's largely unpopulated and game is ever present. Water isn't much of an issue either. You can hit it at about 3-4 hundred feet most places in a well, and there are numerous lakes and streams.

Just stay away from Boise. It's full of Boiseans