Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon - page 42. (Read 11316 times)

I honestly missed the fact that he attacked me, but I see it now. Not going to quote what he said cause who cares.

Unsure on why I was even attacked so personally though. I'm literally talking about the fact that I don't think the best way forward is to open up the economy right now. I think we need to take more time to keep places closed and to establish plans for opening the economy. Yes, some people are going to lose money here, but I'd rather have people lose money then have more people die.

Maybe I'm wrong, and I accept that, but I don't think that any of the personal attacks are needed here. At ALL.

The dude has obviously got anger management issues.

I'm not confident at all about what's going to happen in November.
You seem to be though.

Why not just be civil instead of attacking anyone who disagrees with you?

No argument? Reject reality and substitute your own, and project. That is the Suchgoon way.

Kids would just meme the shit out of her joining the campaign, talking about how she would take their good food away. The kids that she 'took' the food away from are going to be voting this year I'm pretty sure, so yeah.

But you're totally right about this being suicidal to start a political campaign from. If she wants to start, work your way up from the rep / senate level in your state (IL) where they're very popular. (Pretty sure they're more popular in IL then HI)

MO is very popular in her own right and she could boost Biden's chances but she's said many times that she doesn't want to run for any elected office. Even if she decided to change that opinion, joining this shitshow of a campaign would be borderline suicidal. There are far better options for starting one's political career.


Oh don't beat yourself up about your failed 2018 predictions. I'm sure you have more than a sliver of a chance this year.

Fuck you and your tone policing you disingenuous twat. So many delusional people here dreaming they have a sliver of a chance of winning in November. Just like last time, you will hang yourself with your baseless overconfidence.

You don't necessarily have to have political experience to be picked for VP. Historically, VP's are usually introduced to give a multi-dimensional ticket and make up for where the main candidate is lacking, not always the case though. Biden's approach is ensuring that he's picking a woman. John McCain took a similar approach and picked Sarah Palin. Picking someone with political experience is definitely the norm and I guess being a former First Lady is some sort of political role.


Maybe Biden would put her as AG, but her record as AG is atrocious, locking up people for crimes with marijuana, refusing to push death penalty charges against cop killers, and refusing to investigate police misconduct. Tulsi Gabbard slaughtered Kamala Harris's record of being California's AG on a debate stage so there is no secret about it. Good piece about it here - https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2019/1/23/18184192/kamala-harris-president-campaign-criminal-justice-record

I don't necessarily disagree with some of her positions as AG, but I don't think it will sit too well with the progressives. Amy Klobuchar is by far the safest pick possible for Biden -- agree with you there. Kamala is about as equally safe, but with Kamala he gets the "women of color" intersectional advantage.

Also nearly forgot, in 2016, Hillary only won Minnesota by 1.5 points. So having Klobuchar as Biden's VP pick would ensure a Minnesota victory. So that's something to consider too.


To your point, I don't know why you would want Michelle Obama as a VP pick, maybe because it makes people feel good and reminds them of the Obama administration, who knows, but she still is very popular among the moderates.

Hillary Clinton had a miserable record as First Lady, failing at trying to push her healthcare plan through, yet she cruised her way through easily through the 08 primaries getting beat out by Obama only during the home stretch. She was winning states overwhelmingly, all for what? Just being the wife of a former President apparently. Same applies with the 2016 nomination. So clearly there is value in being a former First Lady and you're able to garner support. Hillary is a poor example because she didn't make it to the general in 2008, or win it in 2016, but again, former First Lady's have base support in place.

I'm totally going to have to disagree with this. Who in gods fucking name is asking for Michelle Obama to be on the ticket, I think we're pretty sure that not even Michelle Obama wants that to be the case.

Obama is incredibly popular within the democratic party yes, but Michelle Obama is just his wife. That's all. That's like saying just because Bill Clinton was a very popular President then Hillary Clinton has a LOCK on the presidency. We know she didn't, as she lost the Democratic primary in 2008 (to Obama) and lost the Presidential Election to Trump in 2016.

Kamala supported some HEAVY conservative policies (at least at the time) when she was the AG for California, which is actually one of the big reasons that African American people hate her.

I feel like Kamala would be more likely to be tapped as attorney general with her background.

Still leaning towards Amy as VP pick.  She's least controversial and would probably give him a decent boost in Michigan and Wisconsin in the general election.

I feel like there's only a very small chance Michelle Obama will end up on the ticket, but who knows.  It would be interesting if she does though.  I could see Trump playing the 'you want another 8 years of Obama?' card...and the reaction being 'uhhh, yeah. please.'

Please correct me if I am wrong but in that scenario surely Michelle Obama would have to be a serving elected official (Congresswoman/Senator) to be considered as a running mate for Vice-President therefore she is definitely out of the picture.

If Michelle Obama is Joe Biden's pick for a VP, suchmoon I'm pretty sure you have a guaranteed win for this bet. Michelle Obama is someone that's going to win independents even though she doesn't have political experience. People are immediately going to associate her with Obama's policies and Obama is still incredibly popular with moderate democrats. I expected Kamala Harris and speculated that she dropped out early because Biden's campaign cut her a deal for some position in his administration, but I could see Michelle Obama taking the same spot.


Kamala for SoS, maybe? That was what Obama did for Hillary back in '08.

Calm down. Squatz isn't an idiot or a fucking liar.  Why not be civil?

Yeah, why can't Trump stop disease! Death of any kind is his responsibility! Tornadoes? TRUMP! Floods? TRUMP! Locusts? TRUMP! TRUMP! TRUMP!

You don't understand Squatz? You claim to have expertise in economics but you don't understand? You are either a fucking idiot or a liar. Also, side note, the false choice between the state mandated closing of everything except huge corporate chains vs "opening everything up willy nilly" is a false choice logical fallacy. Why would people object to being bankrupted, impoverished, made homeless, and starving by force of state mandate of which they have no authority to do in the first place right?

While I would consider myself a republican and would say that I do love freedom and liberty and all of that, I don't understand people who are complaing about the stay at home orders.

I get it -- people are being hurt economically and they want everything to go back to normal. But there isn't going to be a way to go directly back to normal. I don't care if you open up tomorrow or in two months, your business isn't just going to magically be back up and amazing again b/c people are just not going to want to go out as much for sometime.

If you opened up all the restaurants in my town, it wouldn't magically fill them up. If we just begin to open up everything willy nilly and tell everyone its okay though, we're going to kill more people -- lets not.

Why aren't they mad that Trump is allowing this to happen and isn't doing everything he can to protect their freedom?  He's already made it clear he has absolute power over the situation - why isn't he using it?

Half of the world politicians run into the same trouble.

Also, pandemic happened not because of Trump or somebody else.
But for example, Iraq war was started with Bush. So, why he was elected the second time in that case?

Trump was a sure winner at the time suchmoon posted this thread. But with coronavirus development and how much Trump made a fool of himself, I guess Trump has lost support of a large number of literate groups. US citizens are good at choosing the lesser damage option.

Perhaps because the most egregious, heavy handed, and nonsensical lock downs are all in Democrat controlled districts?

The checks don't have his signature on them.  He has his name printed in the memo though and you get a separate letter on White House letterhead with his signature.  I got mine for my $48 stimulus payment today.

The whole blaming the democrats for the lock down is such a weird argument to me.  Probably just my TDS, but  I see so many Trump supporters bitching and moaning about their civil liberties and at the same time defending Trump in everything he does, while at the same time Trump is allowing their civil liberties to be stripped.  Why aren't they mad that Trump is allowing this to happen and isn't doing everything he can to protect their freedom?  He's already made it clear he has absolute power over the situation - why isn't he using it?