Topic: [BET] Trump or not Trump 2020, eddie13 vs suchmoon - page 40. (Read 11317 times)

Common sense can't be applied in this day. Most of the things that Biden said throughout his campaign should've sunk it -- based on the weird things that he's said. And the same can be said for Trumps 2016 election and the upcoming 2020 one.

We literally broke the common sense theme this year when Biden - who will be the Democratic nominee, lost both Iowa and NH.

So yeah, not too much common sense and precedent can be applied.

From what I have read, it doesn’t take much to cause a lot of havoc at a protest/gathering. Just look at what was happening at Trump campaign events in 2016.

At the end of the day, the riots need to stop. If the protests stop, there won’t be a venue for the riots.

A unifying message from the Oval Office would be nice but I highly doubt this will do anything to hurt Trump's election chances. If anything, it might increase his odds because nearly everyone can agree Floyd's killing was not representative of good police work. Rioting and looting like morons while setting buildings on fire are not peaceful protests  People are going to look for the President to take a tough stance against people trying to cause chaos and Trump is the only President that would ever openly call for shooting looters. Doesn't sound so bad when videos are being released of people being beaten for defending their own small business from deranged thugs.

It's not a question of whether or not they're involved.  They are.  It's a question of how involved they are.  Naturally Trump would like the as many Americans as possible, and also the world to believe that the protests were instigated by a small group of radical extremists that hate America and are not in any way evidence of any serious, big picture underlying issue that America will need to face.  Basically he's saying 'nothing to see here - the people protesting are the enemy of the country and I will make sure they get what they deserve'.

I agree, Trump has been poor with his messaging, but I was referring to prior to when Trump would have reasonably even had been aware of the incident.

There is pretty strong evidence that extremist groups are involved in the riots.

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Trump has been strangely quiet today. The secret service received significant backup from multiple agencies to protect the White House, and there is a news headline that car bombs are feared (but there is nothing in the article) near the White House. It is unclear if Trump is currently in the White House Bunker, however the White House lights are off, so I would presume there is at least some kind of credible threat. I am not sure if he would be secretly evacuated if the threat was severe enough, and if so, I presume he would leave his phone behind. The amount of agencies, that included the ATF, being called to assist almost made it seem like there was a panic in DC.

If there is a credible threat, especially if explosives are found, I would expect the National Guard to be nationalized in much of the country, and the protests part of what is going on to largely stop. If this happens, I would expect Trump to win in a landslide. Democrat mayors and other officials who were declining to condemn the riots, and in some cases even supports the riots would likely be largely voted out of office.

If the above is not the case, I would expect a Oval Office Presidential address calling for calm and peace. I am not sure how effective this would be considering the rioters are professional, however it may make the rioters easier to deal with (and arrest) if it gets people to largely stop protesting. This may still result in the National guard being nationalized. This attack seems to have caught our intelligence agencies largely off guard. Trumps election prospects likely largely hinge on his ability to stop the riots.

I agree with you but if common sense is applied it is clear Biden is the one who has most to gain from the backlash that was triggered in Minnesota whereas Trump has most to lose simply because he is the actual President.

Biden really needs to mostly stay quiet and not attract negative press over the issue then simply let Trump keep going with his press conferences and comments which just might contribute to him being a one-term President when things come to a head in the November 2020 Presidential elections.

If Trump can work his way around his words and race-relations improve along with confidence in the Police and the legal institutions across the USA then Trump just might be back for a second term and it might signal the end of the political career of Biden.

LOL. Here's an article from the NY Times directly going against Biden right now, so yeah -- no one is going to get an advantage out of this.

Though if Trump is able to convince his base (they're already convinced most likely) and the moderates that this protest is more riot then anything -- then they'll be able to 'win' the political maneuvering of this.

Ny Times Article - https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/black-americans-democrats-trump.html

Biden:
https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/we-are-a-nation-furious-at-injustice-9dcffd81978f



Trump:
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/

Trump is the president so he's expected to actually do something to resolve the crisis. Biden only needs to avoid saying something stupid.

History shows that both these things are pretty much impossible for those two geezers so I'm guessing there will be no significant advantage for either one of them.

Just exactly how will both the incumbent (Trump) and his challenger (Biden) manage to utilise these recent troubles in Minnesota to their advantage? Things related to riots after the death of the Minnesota citizen at the hands of their police department have spread way beyond the initial area and now across the country but how will the propaganda merchants hired by both the GOP and the Democratic machinery manipulate and present it to the masses?

The best narrative for Trump to push right now is to convince people that these protestors are secretly being funded left wing extremists and the whole racism thing is just a ruse.

There will be tons of examples of people with signs for things like Antifa or the Communist Party of America jumping in on the riots - all he has to do is point to these instances and claim that they are proof that all the protestors are either extremists or being funded by extremists.

Same thing happens when the Proud Boys, David Duke(KKK) or some other alt right group show up to chant at a protest full of people who support Trump.

Either that, or Trump is capable only of inflaming crises, not solving them. We'll never know for sure.

The speed in which the video of George Floyd went as viral as it did, is troubling to me. Don't get me wrong, what happened was very wrong, and the officers involved should be held to account. However we have never seen protests, let alone riots happen as quickly as they did in the Twin Cities after other police shootings in years past.

The rioters are professionally organized, and they had started rioting within 24 hours of the police first interacting with Floyd, and the video had gone widely viral. There are now widespread reports, across many cities that professional protestors/rioters are causing riots across America. Floyd's death is very tragic, and should not have happened, but something makes me feel like what happened afterward did not happen naturally (someone is doing something to harm the US, and in turn, harm Trump's election prospects).

I'm still as confident as ever..

Even seeing some former D voters shilling the libertarian party girl..

In short, the constitution says if you have served more than two years in a presidential term in which you were not elected president, it counts as you serving one term as if you were elected.

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If Trump was elected VP, he should pardon himself, his family and his businesses to stop him from being the target of more politically motivated prosecutions. The fact that he has not broken any laws does not matter. There is even an argument that he should do this before he leaves office, however, I see it being less likely he will be the target of a politically motivated prosecution after he is no longer president because doing so will do very little.

Pretty sure this is what you guys are talking about in common peoples terms:


And on the subject of Biden for a second, I don't think this was mentioned thus far -- but there is no term limits or anything for the Vice President. You can serve as the VP for as many terms as you're elected for -- though the most anyone has done is 8. Plus I mean, who in gods name wants to be the VP for more then 8 years. Unless you're praying on your Pres to die of course.

Biden would already be ineligible then.  He's been elected President/Vice President twice.

I might be misunderstanding you though.  What makes you think vice president and president are interchangeable.

In this context the terms "president" and "vice president" are interchangeable, thus it is unconstitutional.

Prime is correct.  If he serves for less than 2 years after replacing Biden,  he could be elected for a second time and serve 4 more years.

Prime is saying the dems would force Biden out so Trump would be forced to serve more than 2 years and therefore ineligible to run in 2024.  (surely Trump would resign 1 day before he hit the 2 year mark though, right?)

Here's the constitution:

Section 1. No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Section 2. This Article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of three-fourths of the several States within seven years from the date of its submission to the States by the Congress.

It is not constitutional for a president to serve a 3rd term, even by this convoluted route. He would not even be eligible for VP. Very interesting narrative though.