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plo8monster: twitchy i don't have time to be trolled by you today ... i simply helped test the client for features if they work or not ...Bitcoin.ag will not be providing the management or support for the new site. Many players have complained about you lately, and your constant badgering. However, Betcoin is tolerating it (even though i dont approve) and even welcomes your feedback. You have a chance to do something good here. But ya seem to insist on the troll ... how bout ya chill a little bit and allow us breathing room to make this happen for the players who want poker returned. We understand your brilliant, but your demeanor adds so much difficulty, I choose not to be any part of it. The community has had a belly full of it. You say your all about improving the site, but your actions make me question your motives.
If you insist on some smart ass reply to this comment, dont waste your time or mine please
3:33amtwitchyseal: Could you please ask Betcoin to sign a message proving they have the 43 BTC - This isn't an attack on Betcoin, it
3:34amtwitchyseal: 's a very reasonable request that will only help them
3:34amtwitchyseal: (I will do my best to continue to ignore you and your sons personal insults)
3:36amtwitchyseal: "Bitcoin.ag will not be providing the management or support for the new site" <---this needs some attention also

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plo8monster: i will add that to the list of questions on new poker site ...which by the way is pretty damn close now.... we have been testing features some still need attention but 90% of them are working excellent so far ..... im pretty excited about this:)
2:35amffffffffff: is poker back?
2:35am plo8monster: did ya see what i just posted ^^very close
2:36am plo8monster: Im not about to give a date, not after it has been moved several times.... but close very close
21:47pmtwitchyseal: who is "we"
21:47pmtwitchyseal: I thought you and your son were just mods and nothing more
21:47pmtwitchyseal: really getting sick of the run around
21:48pmtwitchyseal: who are "the great poker minds" who betcoin has been working with?
21:48pmtwitchyseal: why won't Betcoin sign a message that proves they have the BBJP funds?

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What the hell.

Why won't you explain why you are refusing to sign an address to prove you have the BBJP funds?

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Quote from: TeePee on February 02, 2018, 04:02:50 PM

Betcoin,

Is there a chance you can increase the maximum bet default from 100mBTC to a higher amount (for example 200mBTC) because Bitcoin value has dropped so much recently? Now the max stake on any live event equals just 700 euro and that is a bit low to be honest.

Certainly. The book is still in Beta, so we are testing out everything including limits.

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Betcoin,

Is there a chance you can increase the maximum bet default from 100mBTC to a higher amount (for example 200mBTC) because Bitcoin value has dropped so much recently? Now the max stake on any live event equals just 700 euro and that is a bit low to be honest.

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on February 02, 2018, 11:17:55 AM

Quote from: marlais on February 02, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.

However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.

The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.

Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners.

You aren't a WPN skin, you are a WTN skin.

Also, where's the money?

Also, where's the work that you claimed to do for three weeks?

Also also, where's the money?

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on February 02, 2018, 11:17:55 AM

Quote from: marlais on February 02, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.

However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.

The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.

Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners.

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on February 02, 2018, 11:17:55 AM

Quote from: marlais on February 02, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.

However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.

The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.

Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners.

You forgot to respond to the signed message stuff.

Does IGSoft have all the money too?

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Quote from: marlais on February 02, 2018, 06:58:27 AM

Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.

However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.

The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.

Betcoin does not code the poker software. The software is provided by IG Soft, the same people who do the software for all other WPN skins. We do have have access to any of the code, which is a big part of why we were unable to get the exact figures for the original BBJ payout method. We expect poker to launch very soon, possible even today and the new BBJ rules will be stated. The funds are ready to be paid out to the winners.

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Honestly, signing a message doesn't prove anything except that they know someone who has 43 BTC and they're willing to pay the transaction fee to move it to a separate wallet and sign on Betcoin's behalf. It doesn't prove that Betcoin owns the wallet.

However, their refusal to sign tells me that the funds are not segregated (if they exist at all). What is the harm in signing a message when it doesn't really show anything? Nothing, unless 1) you can't actually come up with 43 BTC, even if it doesn't belong to you or 2) they don't want to show an address that had its balance go from zero to 43 BTC a couple days ago because that would show that the funds hadn't been segregated all along.

The only way that Betcoin can "prove" anything is by shipping 43 BTC to the BBJ winner. To be honest, all of this delay is probably because they're having issues with the code that will let them pre-select the BBJ winner so that they can redistribute the funds among themselves at a later date while not having technically "stolen" anything.

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I'm pretty sure we can gather some coins here to buy you guys a Trezor or a Ledger so you can sign that for us

If the security part is the problem you're having

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Sounds like Machen really doesn't want you to say his name anymore.

Not that Machen seems to be doing anything about it except giving you about a dozen final warnings.

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zzzzzz: You're clueless. Its quite funny.
11:47pmtwitchyseal: kinda rude man
11:47pm zzzzzz: Don't say my name :)
11:47pm zzzzzz: I said dont speak to me.
11:47pm zzzzzz: Also, not my fault you dont know how to sign a message.
11:47pmtwitchyseal: i do
11:47pm zzzzzz: If youd like some help shoot me a message 21.co/machen
11:48pm BigThangz: ReRun expects nordstroms service while he service up Walmart products
11:48pm zzzzzz: Whats wrong with `# signmessage ? ` bhahahaha
11:48pm zzzzzz: what a noob
11:57pmtwitchyseal: hey zzzzzzz after you learn how basic encryption works/how you can sign a message with a bitcoin address, you should check out relational databases - much better option than spreadsheets
11:58pmtwitchyseal: take your time on the signing messages blog though
12:01am zzzzzz: twitchyseal, Im not going to ask you again. Do not speak directly to me.
12:01am zzzzzz: You have no need to speak to me. You can speak with support.
12:02amtwitchyseal: I'm glad you won't ask me again, you've asked me at least 10 times just today
12:02amtwitchyseal: still curious though, why?
12:03am zzzzzz: Look -- If you dont listen to the mods there will be consequences. Got it?
12:03am zzzzzz: End of conversation.
12:03am zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:03amtwitchyseal: no
12:03am zzzzzz: /closes rhetorical statement
12:03amtwitchyseal: I will not stop speaking to you zzzzzz
12:03am zzzzzz: For those that wish to play poker and enjoy the experience.. direct your attention to twitchy who is now delaying efforts.
12:03amtwitchyseal: have I made myself clear?
12:04am zzzzzz: You forget.. You dont run anything here twitchy.
12:04am zzzzzz: This isnt your house to be disrespectful in.
12:04amtwitchyseal: whos house is it?
12:04am zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:04amtwitchyseal: you are such a liar zzzzzz
12:05amtwitchyseal: zzzzzz: twitchyseal, Im not going to ask you again. Do not speak directly to me.
12:05amtwitchyseal: (3 minutes later)
12:05amtwitchyseal: zzzzzz: Do not speak to me.
12:05amtwitchyseal: stop speaking if you don't want to be spoken to
12:06am zzzzzz: http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/question.htm
12:07am zzzzzz: Note to players: Don't tell the mods to stop talking.
12:08amtwitchyseal: unless they don't want to be talked to
12:08amtwitchyseal: then you should probably tell them

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Damn you got THREE final warnings.

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twitchyseal: It's a very simple request
13:58pmtwitchyseal: and surely you realize refusing to prove you have the funds will not look good
13:56pm Support David: I understand your view on it and you have that right and feel free to continue asking. I am just trying to give you a transparent answer.
12:58pm zzzzzz: Rays8888 its only been hit once that was a few years ago. You can see the article that all this hoopla is here: https://www.betcoin.ag/apology-bad-beat-jackpot-distribution-and-discussion-future-betcoinag
12:58pm zzzzzz: +1 D
13:59pmtwitchyseal: So the reason Betcoin won't sign a message proving they have the 43BTC jackpot is " Caving into every demand sets a bad precedent. "
13:59pmtwitchyseal: ?
9:59amRays8888: ohhh so it was hit for 43BTC, but now shit got all shady?
13:59pmtwitchyseal: no, ray
13:58pm Support David: I am pretty sure you are well aware we have considerably more than 43 BTC. People have won and lost that in 1 day here.
14:0pmtwitchyseal: they shut down poker on Christmas and made a statement saying they wouldn't be honoring the BBJP
14:0pmtwitchyseal: they they apologized and said they would be distributing the BBJP to players based on what they contributed the first week in Jan
10:1amRays8888: how much had been paid into it?
10:1amRays8888: oh i see
13:1pm zzzzzz: You can google twitchyseal if you want to see his campaign on hate of betcoin.. Ive been here since Dec 2013 and payouts have always been made... New owners tookever and paying out the BBJ wasnt properly discussed until after the fact. Now they are deaaling with the headache.
14:1pmtwitchyseal: then they said they would be posting new BBJP rules on Jan 22 reopening the poker room on Jan 26
14:1pmtwitchyseal: now it's Feb 1
13:1pm zzzzzz: Week of
13:2pm zzzzzz: Then provided several updates as to the delays.
13:2pm zzzzzz: Again, twitchy just showing his ass.
14:0pm Support David: We are going as fast as we can, Twitchy. No reason to drag this out. As you can imagine that wait is not pleasant for us either
13:2pm zzzzzz: ^
14:2pmtwitchyseal: no need to be rude zzz
14:1pm Support David: The latest I have heard is that several staff members will be testing the poker today for bugs. It should open shortly after
10:3amRays8888: something like 40% of the worlds population lives on less than 3 dollars a day, we all here are ok
13:3pm zzzzzz: no need to speak my name twitchyseal. Stop using it or Ill request ban.
13:3pm zzzzzz: True rays
14:3pmtwitchyseal: request ban zzz
14:3pmtwitchyseal: they appreciate me
13:3pm zzzzzz: Why so you can cry that you were banned for bringing the truth?
10:3amRays8888: the fact that we can just throw away money in hopes of winning some sum so we can buy more bs we dont need
13:3pm zzzzzz: Instead of banned for not following moderator requests/
14:4pmtwitchyseal: lol
13:4pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
14:4pmtwitchyseal: zzz
13:4pm zzzzzz: ^children
14:4pmtwitchyseal: chill out bro
13:5pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
13:5pm zzzzzz: I am not your bro.
14:5pmtwitchyseal: there's no rule against saying zzzzzz
14:3pm Support David: Anyone have any additional questions before I go?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Process ETH cashout please?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Theres a pending!
14:5pmtwitchyseal: Can you please unmod zzzzzz?
13:5pm zzzzzz: Thanks for understanding. Don't say my name here in chat or on the forums any further. Thanks! Final warning.
10:5amRays8888: ive been on 5+ sportsbook and always been paid, i believe some offshore sportsbook/casinos give their jackpots to their sons for their annual stipend isnt new news to me, as long as what i request in payout is paid, whatever, world dun been corrupt
14:5pmtwitchyseal: powertrip
14:4pm Support David: Done, zzzzzz
14:5pmtwitchyseal: ty
13:6pm zzzzzz: world dun been corrupt

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on February 01, 2018, 09:22:48 AM

zzzzzz: I wouldnt advise them to - I mean why would we? Not smart... but its not like we dont do more than that daily.

"Them" then "we" then "we".

Why would a lowly affiliate be in charge of wallets containing 500k? HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.

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twitchyseal: david, will Betcoin sign a message to prove they have the BBJP funds?
Support David: The BBJ will payout automatically, so all necessary funds are will allocated to it, as it could hit any time
twitchyseal: Cool, will Betcoin sign a message to prove they have the BBJP funds please?

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Quote from: Lutpin on January 30, 2018, 08:55:30 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on January 30, 2018, 08:42:46 PM

- The bad beat jackpot is fully funded and ready to go and the new poker team is very excited about being able to offer this as a great opportunity to the players among many other new features and promotions. It will be very exciting and our core team will not be a part of it but we will certainly assist in marketing and advertising.

Now I trust your words, but I trust my own eyes even more. Telling me it's there is fine and all, showing me it's there is another thing.
Sign a message, proof you actually do hold the 43BTC in a seperated wallet, designated to be used for the BBJ.
That way, you'll put an end to all the questions about it and can focus on actually bringing stuff online and paying things back.

So I asked for the signed message proving they have the BBJP funds, got some pretty crazy responses. I don't even know what to say...

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twitchyseal: hey zzz, do you think Betcoin will be willing to sign message proving they have the BBJP funds ?
zzzzzz: I wouldnt advise them to - I mean why would we? Not smart... but its not like we dont do more than that daily.
twitchyseal: what are the pros and cons of signing a message
twitchyseal: proving you have the 43 BTC segregated
zzzzzz: what are the pros and cons of loading 40+ btc onto a wallet?
zzzzzz: What a nub.
zzzzzz: lol hes been making me laugh but just thought I should say... wtf would they show you him the money... I bet if it was someone else asking I woudnt be all... 🤮
zzzzzz: This dude has no idea how bitcoin works obviously

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Betcoin.ag, you know that the longer you drag this the longer you are hurting your credibility isnt it? The community will never let you go and your reputation is pretty much over here. In the end, your thread is going to be filled with this kind of post unless you can prove that you actually owned the amount offered for the jackpot

Whoever the new owner is, needs to prove it

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on January 30, 2018, 08:42:46 PM

Quote from: XarXymtroa on January 28, 2018, 05:27:06 PM

You really think they plan on answering your questions?

YES WE DO!!!

Quote from: DarkDays on January 28, 2018, 02:05:48 PM

Betcoin support (who claimed they didn't work on the weekends) seems to be answering everyone's questions but mine.

Strange.

Here they are, one more time:

Why did you close your site to certain jurisdictions to "obtain gambling licences" only to reopen to those jurisdictions a week later?

What are the names of the "highly experienced poker group with many years experience in the industry"?

Where are the 43BTC that you owe to the BBJ? Please sign addresses containing those funds.

What work did you do in the three weeks where you claimed to be pouring over data to pay out the BBJ? Remember, you claimed after two weeks that there was SO MUCH data that you needed to hire more people...then a week later said there wasn't enough data. Please post the results of this three week data crunching, even though it is "inconclusive".

- It closed as planned when preparing to get a license, however the brand was extremely strong and another group provided an offer that could not be refused and opened things back up.

- As the transition is taking place there will be more announcements regarding all aspects of the poker opportunity. It is very exciting and should be available very very soon. Just some last pieces that need to be integrated.

- The bad beat jackpot is fully funded and ready to go and the new poker team is very excited about being able to offer this as a great opportunity to the players among many other new features and promotions. It will be very exciting and our core team will not be a part of it but we will certainly assist in marketing and advertising.

The difficulty with calculating with the data was calculating the exact amount. It could have been close but the exact amount was impossible to determine. Additionally, for a wide variety of reasons there could be no full list of players and contributions published. Without these it was unacceptable to distribute this way.

That...that actually doesn't answer any of the questions I asked.

THAT'S what you were working on for the last two weeks?!?!?

Your official story is now that Betcoin was sold twice in a period of one month? Am I reading this correctly? Can you show any proof of either "sale"?

You are refusing to name anyone who is in the "highly experienced poker group with many years experience in the industry"? Why? You've claimed that the transition is already finished. Remember, you said that the team you have now is "highly experienced poker group with many years experience in the industry"? Who are they?

Please show proof of the BBJ funds.

Please show proof of the work that you did in the three weeks that you left and closed your site. Any proof.

Really, just show any proof that anything that you are saying is truthful. I've asked you this for a month now and you just seem to ignore and put off. It's not hard at all. Literally any proof that you aren't lying.

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Quote from: Lutpin on January 30, 2018, 08:55:30 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on January 30, 2018, 08:42:46 PM

- The bad beat jackpot is fully funded and ready to go and the new poker team is very excited about being able to offer this as a great opportunity to the players among many other new features and promotions. It will be very exciting and our core team will not be a part of it but we will certainly assist in marketing and advertising.

Now I trust your words, but I trust my own eyes even more. Telling me it's there is fine and all, showing me it's there is another thing.
Sign a message, proof you actually do hold the 43BTC in a seperated wallet, designated to be used for the BBJ.
That way, you'll put an end to all the questions about it and can focus on actually bringing stuff online and paying things back.

Enough is enough. Just in the past month, you've broken your word far too many times.

It's time to prove that you have segregated and control the funds for the BBJP.

I will not let this go.

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