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BetcoinAG is a place where gamblers will feel open and welcome. Not only does the book display a wide variety of sportsbook action, live casino tables that are constantly up to date & slots etc, they make you feel welcome. From the constant quick help from support, to quick and efficient deposit and withdraws there isn’t much you can’t find here at BetcoinAG. You’ll always find they’re doing there best to keep you up to date with games & also treat you fairly as possible when it comes to support and issues. They do an amazing job rewarding long playing customers as long as committed users to the family as well. 

I’ve never had a negative experience here & if there was ever an issue, it was always quickly solved and fixed. If you’re going to be betting via crypto this  is a book that won’t only have you feel welcome, you’ll feel at home.

Join in on the fun, and the family. Betting at Betcoin couldn’t be any better in my personal opinion. I’ve played for years and will continue to stick by there side.

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BetcoinAG is a place where gamblers will feel open and welcome. Not only does the book display a wide variety of sportsbook action, live casino tables that are constantly up to date & slots etc, they make you feel welcome. From the constant quick help from support, to quick and efficient deposit and withdraws there isn’t much you can’t find here at BetcoinAG. You’ll always find they’re doing there best to keep you up to date with games & also treat you fairly as possible when it comes to support and issues. They do an amazing job rewarding long playing customers as long as committed users to the family as well. 

I’ve never had a negative experience here & if there was ever an issue, it was always quickly solved and fixed. If you’re going to be betting via crypto this  is a book that won’t only have you feel welcome, you’ll feel at home.

Join in on the fun, and the family. Betting at Betcoin couldn’t be any better in my personal opinion. I’ve played for years and will continue to stick by there side.
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^That is the difference between bitcoin and fiat, that is the difference between crypto casinos and traditional casinos. With bitcoin you know that you are getting a decentralized currency that couldn't be shaped however governments (or any central identity) could use to make rich people richer, with fiat they know what to do and bail out rich corporations with 20+ million bonus getting CEO's and their shareholders whereas people who are in trouble gets nothing at all.

Same goes with crypto casinos, we have provably fair and we know that casino will not screw us over, we can actually prove it, they can't even if they wanted to. That is a huge difference where you do not have to trust anyone to play, you just need to check the provably fair part. Whereas in a regular casino you go to, they could do anything they want.

Excellent comments and thank you for sharing this.  We fully agree.
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It looks like the onetouch games are provably fair, but the playbetr dice game is not for 2 reasons:


1) As others have recently said, there's no explanation on how the result is determined from hashing (256 or 512?) the server seed and player seed.  For example, for this bet: https://www.betcoin.ag/transaction/59942673

Hashed server seed: 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462
Server seed: d61876a22c06d144dae10d8e2fcbb79ea1c98b0afa9bf87f03c0de16609e035b
Client seed: twitchyseed
Result: 29.15

hmac-512(server seed, player seed) returns this string: cd4a384abce5a10ca201bf1017c39200985f44caf5f8b3b5785a8fafe8a6f61bac356a4285f7817 40b944616ecab84c9569bf5e26caac872fddf70b05a562e24

You have to explain how you get 42.47 from that string.  provablyfair.co doesn't explain anything so it's not any help.  Most dice sites do something like take the first 5 characters of the string and convert them to a decimal.  I tried a few other sites methods without success so you must be doing something different (or I could've screwed something up).  


2) You aren't using the server seed that you hash and provide before the bet.  This defeats the entire purpose of provably fair since you can't prove that the server seed was determined before the bet was made.

I took a screen shot before making the bet from the example above:



You're not using the seed that's hashed and displayed under Next Round.  The actual hashed server seed for the next round was 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462.  I did this several times and the Next Round Hashed Server Seed was never used in the next round.

Providing the hashed server seed before the round proves that you didn't change it before knowing what my bet would be.

I'm don't know much php but in the code you posted, if that's the order the functions are executing then you're setting serverSeed and hashing it aftergetting clientSeed (the player seed).  For it to be provably fair you have to prove that serverSeed was set before fetching clientSeed.

Code:
$provable = Gamebetr\Provable::init()
// returns an instance of Gamebetr\Provable
setClientSeed(string $clientSeed = null)
This sets the client seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getClientSeed()
This returns the current client seed.

setServerSeed(string $serverSeed = null)
This sets the server seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getServerSeed()
This returns the current server seed.

getHashedServerSeed()
This returns the hashed version of the server seed.

Also, it's impossible to copy the Next Round Hashed Server Seed.  The copy button doesn't work, can't right click/ctrl + v/etc  and it's in an i-frame so I can't even access the html to copy it.  It does let me paste in the server seed field though...weird.


Edit: I checked the provably fair playbtr roulette and it's using the hashed seed that's displayed for next round - so it's just the dice game with that's not using it.

This is excellent feedback. Exactly what we were looking for when we made our feedback thread. We will report this matter and have it resolved as soon as possible.

We always welcome excellent feedback and we have shared this information with the provider and are expecting an update on this by end of the week. 

Thank you.
legendary
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^That is the difference between bitcoin and fiat, that is the difference between crypto casinos and traditional casinos. With bitcoin you know that you are getting a decentralized currency that couldn't be shaped however governments (or any central identity) could use to make rich people richer, with fiat they know what to do and bail out rich corporations with 20+ million bonus getting CEO's and their shareholders whereas people who are in trouble gets nothing at all.

Same goes with crypto casinos, we have provably fair and we know that casino will not screw us over, we can actually prove it, they can't even if they wanted to. That is a huge difference where you do not have to trust anyone to play, you just need to check the provably fair part. Whereas in a regular casino you go to, they could do anything they want.
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It looks like the onetouch games are provably fair, but the playbetr dice game is not for 2 reasons:


1) As others have recently said, there's no explanation on how the result is determined from hashing (256 or 512?) the server seed and player seed.  For example, for this bet: https://www.betcoin.ag/transaction/59942673

Hashed server seed: 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462
Server seed: d61876a22c06d144dae10d8e2fcbb79ea1c98b0afa9bf87f03c0de16609e035b
Client seed: twitchyseed
Result: 29.15

hmac-512(server seed, player seed) returns this string: cd4a384abce5a10ca201bf1017c39200985f44caf5f8b3b5785a8fafe8a6f61bac356a4285f7817 40b944616ecab84c9569bf5e26caac872fddf70b05a562e24

You have to explain how you get 42.47 from that string.  provablyfair.co doesn't explain anything so it's not any help.  Most dice sites do something like take the first 5 characters of the string and convert them to a decimal.  I tried a few other sites methods without success so you must be doing something different (or I could've screwed something up).  


2) You aren't using the server seed that you hash and provide before the bet.  This defeats the entire purpose of provably fair since you can't prove that the server seed was determined before the bet was made.

I took a screen shot before making the bet from the example above:



You're not using the seed that's hashed and displayed under Next Round.  The actual hashed server seed for the next round was 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462.  I did this several times and the Next Round Hashed Server Seed was never used in the next round.

Providing the hashed server seed before the round proves that you didn't change it before knowing what my bet would be.

I'm don't know much php but in the code you posted, if that's the order the functions are executing then you're setting serverSeed and hashing it aftergetting clientSeed (the player seed).  For it to be provably fair you have to prove that serverSeed was set before fetching clientSeed.

Code:
$provable = Gamebetr\Provable::init()
// returns an instance of Gamebetr\Provable
setClientSeed(string $clientSeed = null)
This sets the client seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getClientSeed()
This returns the current client seed.

setServerSeed(string $serverSeed = null)
This sets the server seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getServerSeed()
This returns the current server seed.

getHashedServerSeed()
This returns the hashed version of the server seed.

Also, it's impossible to copy the Next Round Hashed Server Seed.  The copy button doesn't work, can't right click/ctrl + v/etc  and it's in an i-frame so I can't even access the html to copy it.  It does let me paste in the server seed field though...weird.


Edit: I checked the provably fair playbtr roulette and it's using the hashed seed that's displayed for next round - so it's just the dice game with that's not using it.

This is excellent feedback. Exactly what we were looking for when we made our feedback thread. We will report this matter and have it resolved as soon as possible.
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Educational posts over the last week or so on Provably Fair algorithms. I think a lot of traditional providers do not understand the concept of this crypto gambling idea that everyone should be able to prove on their own that the algos used in the games can be verified and proven. They still think only if the result can be done on another site it is enough:)

Well done to all of you,,, keep our provably fair community healthy:)
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Are these games provably fair?

Thank you for the great feedback! We will be re-categorizing these shortly.

Edit: This has been updated. We have added a bonus to your account to thank you for your diligence. Best of luck to you!

It looks like the onetouch games are provably fair, but the playbetr dice game is not for 2 reasons:


1) As others have recently said, there's no explanation on how the result is determined from hashing (256 or 512?) the server seed and player seed.  For example, for this bet: https://www.betcoin.ag/transaction/59942673

Hashed server seed: 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462
Server seed: d61876a22c06d144dae10d8e2fcbb79ea1c98b0afa9bf87f03c0de16609e035b
Client seed: twitchyseed
Result: 29.15

hmac-512(server seed, player seed) returns this string: cd4a384abce5a10ca201bf1017c39200985f44caf5f8b3b5785a8fafe8a6f61bac356a4285f7817 40b944616ecab84c9569bf5e26caac872fddf70b05a562e24

You have to explain how you get 42.47 from that string.  provablyfair.co doesn't explain anything so it's not any help.  Most dice sites do something like take the first 5 characters of the string and convert them to a decimal.  I tried a few other sites methods without success so you must be doing something different (or I could've screwed something up).  


2) You aren't using the server seed that you hash and provide before the bet.  This defeats the entire purpose of provably fair since you can't prove that the server seed was determined before the bet was made.

I took a screen shot before making the bet from the example above:



You're not using the seed that's hashed and displayed under Next Round.  The actual hashed server seed for the next round was 50f107cf159cddcd327dac23bddb8c4b0bdc545d5ed2514acce4652bf46b8462.  I did this several times and the Next Round Hashed Server Seed was never used in the next round.

Providing the hashed server seed before the round proves that you didn't change it before knowing what my bet would be.

I'm don't know much php but in the code you posted, if that's the order the functions are executing then you're setting serverSeed and hashing it aftergetting clientSeed (the player seed).  For it to be provably fair you have to prove that serverSeed was set before fetching clientSeed.

Code:
$provable = Gamebetr\Provable::init()
// returns an instance of Gamebetr\Provable
setClientSeed(string $clientSeed = null)
This sets the client seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getClientSeed()
This returns the current client seed.

setServerSeed(string $serverSeed = null)
This sets the server seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getServerSeed()
This returns the current server seed.

getHashedServerSeed()
This returns the hashed version of the server seed.

Also, it's impossible to copy the Next Round Hashed Server Seed.  The copy button doesn't work, can't right click/ctrl + v/etc  and it's in an i-frame so I can't even access the html to copy it.  It does let me paste in the server seed field though...weird.


Edit: I checked the provably fair playbtr roulette and it's using the hashed seed that's displayed for next round - so it's just the dice game with that's not using it.
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Are these games provably fair?

Thank you for the great feedback! We will be re-categorizing these shortly.

Edit: This has been updated. We have added a bonus to your account to thank you for your diligence. Best of luck to you!
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Who's the provider, playbetr or onetouch?  Is onetouch avoiding trouble with Malta by providing for playbetr (licensed in curacao) who then provides for you (no license)?


Either way, they're Onetouch games, and all the slots you have listed under provably fair belong somewhere else.

The table games are what Onetouch claims to be provably fair, not the slots.  I haven't looked into those yet but yoloer808 seems to be on the right track.

We have provably fair games from multiple providers. The game which was inquired about was Gamebetr provably fair dice. This is not a OneTouch game and we will be releasing more Gamebetr PF games in the near future.


Are these games provably fair?




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Who's the provider, playbetr or onetouch?  Is onetouch avoiding trouble with Malta by providing for playbetr (licensed in curacao) who then provides for you (no license)?


Either way, they're Onetouch games, and all the slots you have listed under provably fair belong somewhere else.

The table games are what Onetouch claims to be provably fair, not the slots.  I haven't looked into those yet but yoloer808 seems to be on the right track.

We have provably fair games from multiple providers. The game which was inquired about was Gamebetr provably fair dice. This is not a OneTouch game and we will be releasing more Gamebetr PF games in the near future.
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Again, you do not show the algorithm with which you calculate results, so the game is unverifiable and therefore not provably fair.

How did an 'independent 3rd party site' know how to implement the PF without having access to the code? Very independent and third party indeed  Cheesy

While I generally agree that you should not need to have a 3rd party site show that you are fair, this really is the same as having 3rd party auditors do your RNG, which is the traditional model for casinos so yeah I agree, PF should be independent on your own as the players.

I admit I haven't tried to see how this works at Betcoin though. Let's see if they come back with an explanation.

We have contacted the game provider Gamebetr and following is the algorithm and instructions on how to set it up yourself.  It is the same code that is on www.provablyfair.co and we are told that the full instructions will be added to the website soon.  Please let us know if you have additional questions anytime.

Provable
This package provides the means to create provably fair random numbers and provably fair random shuffles.

Installation
via composer:

composer require gamebetr/provable ^1.0
Basic Useage
// set some vars
$clientSeed = 'your client seed here';
$serverSeed = 'your server seed here';
$min = 1;
$max = 52;
$type = 'shuffle';

// instanciate the provable class
$provable = new Gamebetr\Provable\Provable($clientSeed, $serverSeed, $min, $max, $type);

// get the results
print $provable->results();
// prints [6,21,19,13,41,28,40,43,2,39,5,24,18,52,46,26,20,7,29,38,23,37,30,31,33,44,22,16,35,48,25,14,45,27,11,8,17,36,51,4,42,15,49,32,3,9,1,47,10,34,50,12]
Methods
__construct(string $clientSeed = null, string $serverSeed = null, int $min = 0, int $max = 0, string $type = 'number')
The class constructor takes the optional parameters, clientSeed, serverSeed, min, max, and type. If clientSeed or serverSeed are not provided, it will generate random seeds automatically. The min and max parameters are the minimum and maximum values of the random number or shuffle. Type is either number or shuffle.

static init(string $clientSeed = null, string $serverSeed = null, int $min = 0, int $max = 0, string $type = 'number')
The init method is just a static constructor. It allows you to do the following:

$provable = Gamebetr\Provable::init()
// returns an instance of Gamebetr\Provable
setClientSeed(string $clientSeed = null)
This sets the client seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getClientSeed()
This returns the current client seed.

setServerSeed(string $serverSeed = null)
This sets the server seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getServerSeed()
This returns the current server seed.

getHashedServerSeed()
This returns the hashed version of the server seed.

setMin(int $min)
This sets the minimum value property. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getMin()
This returns the current minimum value property.

setMax(int $max)
This sets the maximum value property. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getMax()
This returns the current maximum value property.

setType(string $type)
This sets the type property. Allowed values are number and shuffle. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getType()
This returns the current type property.

results()
This calculates the random number or shuffle and returns it.

number(int $minimumNumber = null, int $maximumNumber = null)
This generates a random number between $minimumNumber and $maximumNumber. If no values are provided, it will use the $min and $max properties of the object.

shuffle(int $minimumNumber = null, int $maximumNumber = null)
This generates a random shuffle of numbers between $minimumNumber and $maximumNumber. If no values are provided, it will use the $min and $max properties of the object.

Who's the provider, playbetr or onetouch?  Is onetouch avoiding trouble with Malta by providing for playbetr (licensed in curacao) who then provides for you (no license)?


Either way, they're Onetouch games, and all the slots you have listed under provably fair belong somewhere else.

The table games are what Onetouch claims to be provably fair, not the slots.  I haven't looked into those yet but yoloer808 seems to be on the right track.







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Again, you do not show the algorithm with which you calculate results, so the game is unverifiable and therefore not provably fair.

How did an 'independent 3rd party site' know how to implement the PF without having access to the code? Very independent and third party indeed  Cheesy

While I generally agree that you should not need to have a 3rd party site show that you are fair, this really is the same as having 3rd party auditors do your RNG, which is the traditional model for casinos so yeah I agree, PF should be independent on your own as the players.

I admit I haven't tried to see how this works at Betcoin though. Let's see if they come back with an explanation.

We have contacted the game provider Gamebetr and following is the algorithm and instructions on how to set it up yourself.  It is the same code that is on www.provablyfair.co and we are told that the full instructions will be added to the website soon.  Please let us know if you have additional questions anytime.

Provable
This package provides the means to create provably fair random numbers and provably fair random shuffles.

Installation
via composer:

composer require gamebetr/provable ^1.0
Basic Useage
// set some vars
$clientSeed = 'your client seed here';
$serverSeed = 'your server seed here';
$min = 1;
$max = 52;
$type = 'shuffle';

// instanciate the provable class
$provable = new Gamebetr\Provable\Provable($clientSeed, $serverSeed, $min, $max, $type);

// get the results
print $provable->results();
// prints [6,21,19,13,41,28,40,43,2,39,5,24,18,52,46,26,20,7,29,38,23,37,30,31,33,44,22,16,35,48,25,14,45,27,11,8,17,36,51,4,42,15,49,32,3,9,1,47,10,34,50,12]
Methods
__construct(string $clientSeed = null, string $serverSeed = null, int $min = 0, int $max = 0, string $type = 'number')
The class constructor takes the optional parameters, clientSeed, serverSeed, min, max, and type. If clientSeed or serverSeed are not provided, it will generate random seeds automatically. The min and max parameters are the minimum and maximum values of the random number or shuffle. Type is either number or shuffle.

static init(string $clientSeed = null, string $serverSeed = null, int $min = 0, int $max = 0, string $type = 'number')
The init method is just a static constructor. It allows you to do the following:

$provable = Gamebetr\Provable::init()
// returns an instance of Gamebetr\Provable
setClientSeed(string $clientSeed = null)
This sets the client seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getClientSeed()
This returns the current client seed.

setServerSeed(string $serverSeed = null)
This sets the server seed. If no seed is provided, one will be automatically generated. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getServerSeed()
This returns the current server seed.

getHashedServerSeed()
This returns the hashed version of the server seed.

setMin(int $min)
This sets the minimum value property. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getMin()
This returns the current minimum value property.

setMax(int $max)
This sets the maximum value property. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getMax()
This returns the current maximum value property.

setType(string $type)
This sets the type property. Allowed values are number and shuffle. The Provable instance is returned allowing you to chain commands.

getType()
This returns the current type property.

results()
This calculates the random number or shuffle and returns it.

number(int $minimumNumber = null, int $maximumNumber = null)
This generates a random number between $minimumNumber and $maximumNumber. If no values are provided, it will use the $min and $max properties of the object.

shuffle(int $minimumNumber = null, int $maximumNumber = null)
This generates a random shuffle of numbers between $minimumNumber and $maximumNumber. If no values are provided, it will use the $min and $max properties of the object.
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Again, you do not show the algorithm with which you calculate results, so the game is unverifiable and therefore not provably fair.

How did an 'independent 3rd party site' know how to implement the PF without having access to the code? Very independent and third party indeed  Cheesy

We will get back to you on this shortly. Thank you for the inquiry.
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Again, you do not show the algorithm with which you calculate results, so the game is unverifiable and therefore not provably fair.

How did an 'independent 3rd party site' know how to implement the PF without having access to the code? Very independent and third party indeed  Cheesy

While I generally agree that you should not need to have a 3rd party site show that you are fair, this really is the same as having 3rd party auditors do your RNG, which is the traditional model for casinos so yeah I agree, PF should be independent on your own as the players.

I admit I haven't tried to see how this works at Betcoin though. Let's see if they come back with an explanation.
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I dont see the provably fair algorithm anywhere, and when i try to verify the algorithm is also not displayed. You can hardly call this 'provably fair'

Hello, if you click the 3 bars in the upper right corner of the game, you will open up the provably fair menu. There you can set your player seed and view your server seed and hash.


There is also a verify button, which takes you to an independent 3rd party site where you can confirm your roll.


Thanks and best of luck to you!


Again, you do not show the algorithm with which you calculate results, so the game is unverifiable and therefore not provably fair.

How did an 'independent 3rd party site' know how to implement the PF without having access to the code? Very independent and third party indeed  Cheesy
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