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Quote from: wwwin on December 17, 2015, 02:12:42 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 16, 2015, 02:58:27 AM

Now you're just making shit up about me.

Quote from: wwwin on December 16, 2015, 02:29:01 AM

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for? Huh

I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

Thats a cool site. I have never seen it before. I wonder how accurate it is. Their site normally says around 150-200 user online most of the time. vs the 48 max users that site says.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 16, 2015, 02:58:27 AM

Now you're just making shit up about me.

Quote from: wwwin on December 16, 2015, 02:29:01 AM

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

What did they ban you for? Huh

I have argued with them before and it had no consequences.

Also, don't worry about the money for the excessive rake...they will probably have a big freeroll to make up for it soon.

Don't worry. If you dislike them so much, they are shooting themselves in the foot with the inconspicuous rake increase notice and petty stuff like that...that is why they are not growing as fast as they should. With the fast payouts that they have, they should be much bigger than they are but they mess up in little stuff that they don't even realize makes players upset enough to play elsewhere. So everything averages out. You don't need to be hounding them everyday. Maybe one day they will realize all the petty mistakes that they make.
Relax, your beloved seals is ahead of them in traffic. http://www.pokerscout.com/

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Quote from: Wh0CaR3s on December 16, 2015, 03:48:01 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 05:02:06 PM

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made. We will follow up with more next week. Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

No news on the website
An announcement buried in the middle of the forum when you sticky post your promotions
No email sent to your clients to warn them that you just made drastic changes on your fees.

-----> HUGE rake increase at betcoin.ag since the 14th December: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-rake-update

They've been "unintentionally" charging 2-5x their advertised rake for at least a month now

They knew about it at least 4 weeks ago and did nothing until recently.

They said refunding would be too complicated - so they are keeping the money.

I haven't compared the new rake structure, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was very similiar to what theyve been charging since October or earlier.

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 05:02:06 PM

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made. We will follow up with more next week. Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

No news on the website
An announcement buried in the middle of the forum when you sticky post your promotions
No email sent to your clients to warn them that you just made drastic changes on your fees.

-----> HUGE rake increase at betcoin.ag since the 14th December: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-table-rake-update

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You tried to get me to give up by convincing me I was wasting my time.

Quote from: wwwin on December 16, 2015, 02:29:01 AM

You really don't know what my attitude is...but TwichySeal is a SWC shill

Why?

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on December 14, 2015, 02:36:16 AM

Quote from: wwwin on December 14, 2015, 01:33:04 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 12, 2015, 02:51:33 PM

Quote from: wwwin on December 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Or just play in NV or NJ regulated online poker. Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort. Roll Eyes

Have you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show Shocked

LOL.

I play on regulated site in USA every day. I've also heard about UB. Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL Grin

If everyone had same attitude as you, the cheaters would never be caught from UB.

You make joke because you have no other defense. You argue that it is waste of time to say anything at all, but you put effort into trying to make twitchyseal change his opinion or simply give up. Every other point you have tried to make makes 0 sense.

If everyone had same attitude as me, there would no cheaters to catch as nobody would cheat...
by the way TwichySeal is a SWC shill

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Quote from: wwwin on December 14, 2015, 01:33:04 AM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 12, 2015, 02:51:33 PM

Quote from: wwwin on December 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Or just play in NV or NJ regulated online poker. Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort. Roll Eyes

Have you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show Shocked

LOL.

I play on regulated site in USA every day. I've also heard about UB. Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL Grin

If everyone had same attitude as you, the cheaters would never be caught from UB.

You make joke because you have no other defense. You argue that it is waste of time to say anything at all, but you put effort into trying to make twitchyseal change his opinion or simply give up. Every other point you have tried to make makes 0 sense.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 12, 2015, 02:51:33 PM

Quote from: wwwin on December 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Or just play in NV or NJ regulated online poker. Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort. Roll Eyes

Have you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show Shocked

LOL.

I play on regulated site in USA every day. I've also heard about UB. Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Have you ever considered what would happen is every has the same attitude as you?

The whole online poker industry would fail as everyone would have been banned. LOL Grin

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Quote from: dooglus on December 06, 2015, 02:51:36 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 05, 2015, 01:17:22 PM

Quote from: dooglus on December 05, 2015, 05:16:51 AM

What is the point of having a thread like this if every time someone asks a difficult question you spam the same 3 posts on top of it to hide the difficult question?

Please either answer the questions or explicitly admit that you don't want to answer them. Repeatedly spamming the same out-of-date information about tournaments that already finished is annoying, ugly, and rude.

What question(s) do you want answered? There are no difficult questions.

I'm interested to know about your parent company, and how it "overlaps" with BetCris and the WPN, as you mentioned here:

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on November 27, 2015, 04:20:47 PM

Dooglus, we have close to 1,000 players daily on Betcoin, over 100 tickets and 50-100 live chat customer support tickets daily. Our parent company and owners overlap with BetCris and the WPN and have been in business over 16 years.

I've seen people ask about that many times in this thread, and each time they do you ignore it, and follow up with 2 or 3 long posts repeating things you have already said many times. It could look to a suspicious mind as if you are avoiding the question.

So are you willing to answer? What is your parent company, and how is it connected to BetCris and/or the WPN?

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 05:02:06 PM

The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made. We will follow up with more next week. Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

Pretty disgusting the way you are able to just pretend like you cant see so many legitimate questions.

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The rake appears to be fixed, but this bug taught us a lot about our rake structure and some improvements that need to be made. We will follow up with more next week. Thank you to all the testers and feedback.

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Quote from: cjmoles on December 12, 2015, 04:00:57 PM

You know what's funny? I was playing on UB and AP during the scandal....they re-reimbursed everyone and I continued to play all the way up until Black Friday....We were never reimbursed when they finally closed for good....but....whatever. I still had the WPN after Black Friday! Stars, tilt, Cereus, even Bodog's domain name was seized that morning with an FBI announement (rarely mentioned). But, the WPN has been around for a long time and they're a strong network!

They reimbursed only a fraction of what was stolen. Then they pretended that a new regime would be taking over UB and brought in guys like Joe Sebok to convince everyone else how legit they were.

The fact that their domain was seized by DOJ is not what makes them scum.

It's the the fact that all the funds that should have been segregated to back up players balances were gone.

You should of stopped supporting them as soon as you found out they were doing unethical things the first time.

Why are we talking about UB again?

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 12, 2015, 02:16:38 PM

Quote from: DarkDays on December 12, 2015, 02:04:53 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 12:54:31 AM

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

So you claim that your business exists by giving everyone 100% rakeback and not making any money from anyone? LIES!

Please give your great players back the extra rake that you illegally took from them.

They think that because some players received 100% rakeback when being overcharged means that they have been giving out more than 100% rakeback.

Reality:

No more than 2 players could be eligible to receive 100% rakeback at any table.

Even if they were charged triple what they should have been, receiving it back is still equal to 100% rakeback.

Players should obviously not be entitled to a refund for hands if they received 100% rakeback.

Players who were over charged and did not receive 100% rakeback should be refunded, but wont be.

Consider this:

Every hand played at a HU NL table for the past 4+ weeks with a pot of 100 chips or more was over raked by 4 chips. (0.004 BTC)

It adds up fast.

Right. I was saying, for what they said to be actually true then EVERYONE would have to be getting 100% RB. That's obv not the case because, you know, they are still in business.

Obviously the people who got 100%RB aren't due anything because they've already got all of their rake back. That is a small number of people (and smaller if you consider all of the times that the table starter "didn't work" or "was down"). There are a ton of people who got overraked and are due refunds.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on December 12, 2015, 02:51:33 PM

Quote from: wwwin on December 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Or just play in NV or NJ regulated online poker. Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort. Roll Eyes

Have you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show Shocked

LOL.

I play on regulated site in USA every day. I've also heard about UB. Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Ever hear of this guy?

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Todd Witteles was a victim of the Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet "Superuser" cheating scandal. He and several other online players took part in uncovering and proving the cheating. This attracted enough media attention to where it became the subject of a story on the TV news program "60 Minutes", where Witteles was featured. The episode aired on November 30, 2008.[6] Witteles appeared on the front page of The Washington Post about the same matter.[7] On December 16, 2009, he appeared on CNBC to discuss the cheating. In the CNBC special, Witteles claimed that legalization and regulation of online poker was necessary in order to prevent future cheating scandals. He also appeared on a Blu-ray Extra attached to the movie Runner Runner, entitled House Of Cards: The Inside Story of Online Poker.[8]

Here's what he's said about Betcoin:

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this site sounds shady as hell, and you should stay far, far away.

I will admit that I didn't understand everything you posted (I think it made sense to you but not to outsiders like me), but the "No Collusion Freeroll" -- where they held a freeroll supposedly with funds confiscated due to collusion, yet allowed the colluders to still play on the site, should be all you need to know about betcoin's integrity.

It also appears that they engage in an evasive and passive-aggressive customer service model, where they first ignore problems, then attempt to cover them up as much as they can behind the scenes, and then ban anyone who continues to question them.

I suggest everyone stay away from Betcoin.

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Before I read the rest of your post, I was predicting that Jessica wouldn't actually be fired, but would just be assigned another name to use for Betcoin support.

Looks like they didn't even do that, and she's simply still working there under Jessica.

Pretty awful.

Anyone who continues to patronize these scumbags is a fool.

You know what's funny? I was playing on UB and AP during the scandal....they re-reimbursed everyone and I continued to play all the way up until Black Friday....We were never reimbursed when they finally closed for good....but....whatever. I still had the WPN after Black Friday! Stars, tilt, Cereus, even Bodog's domain name was seized that morning with an FBI announement (rarely mentioned). But, the WPN has been around for a long time and they're a strong network!

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Quote from: wwwin on December 11, 2015, 11:31:36 PM

Or just play in NV or NJ regulated online poker. Yeah that would give me a lot of comfort. Roll Eyes

Have you ever heard of UltimateBet?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/05/29/ultimatepoker_and_ultimatebet_the_online_poker_scandal_that_never_ends.html
LOL...who knows maybe Russ Hamilton is running the show Shocked

LOL.

I play on regulated site in USA every day. I've also heard about UB. Have you considered what would of happened if everyone had the same attitude as you?

Ever hear of this guy?

Quote

Todd Witteles was a victim of the Absolute Poker/Ultimatebet "Superuser" cheating scandal. He and several other online players took part in uncovering and proving the cheating. This attracted enough media attention to where it became the subject of a story on the TV news program "60 Minutes", where Witteles was featured. The episode aired on November 30, 2008.[6] Witteles appeared on the front page of The Washington Post about the same matter.[7] On December 16, 2009, he appeared on CNBC to discuss the cheating. In the CNBC special, Witteles claimed that legalization and regulation of online poker was necessary in order to prevent future cheating scandals. He also appeared on a Blu-ray Extra attached to the movie Runner Runner, entitled House Of Cards: The Inside Story of Online Poker.[8]

Here's what he's said about Betcoin:

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this site sounds shady as hell, and you should stay far, far away.

I will admit that I didn't understand everything you posted (I think it made sense to you but not to outsiders like me), but the "No Collusion Freeroll" -- where they held a freeroll supposedly with funds confiscated due to collusion, yet allowed the colluders to still play on the site, should be all you need to know about betcoin's integrity.

It also appears that they engage in an evasive and passive-aggressive customer service model, where they first ignore problems, then attempt to cover them up as much as they can behind the scenes, and then ban anyone who continues to question them.

I suggest everyone stay away from Betcoin.

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Before I read the rest of your post, I was predicting that Jessica wouldn't actually be fired, but would just be assigned another name to use for Betcoin support.

Looks like they didn't even do that, and she's simply still working there under Jessica.

Pretty awful.

Anyone who continues to patronize these scumbags is a fool.

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Quote from: DarkDays on December 12, 2015, 02:04:53 PM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 12:54:31 AM

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

So you claim that your business exists by giving everyone 100% rakeback and not making any money from anyone? LIES!

Please give your great players back the extra rake that you illegally took from them.

They think that because some players received 100% rakeback when being overcharged means that they have been giving out more than 100% rakeback.

Reality:

No more than 2 players could be eligible to receive 100% rakeback at any table.

Even if they were charged triple what they should have been, receiving it back is still equal to 100% rakeback.

Players should obviously not be entitled to a refund for hands if they received 100% rakeback.

Players who were over charged and did not receive 100% rakeback should be refunded, but wont be.

Consider this:

Every hand played at a HU NL table for the past 4+ weeks with a pot of 100 chips or more was over raked by 4 chips. (0.004 BTC)

It adds up fast.

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 12:54:31 AM

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

So you claim that your business exists by giving everyone 100% rakeback and not making any money from anyone? LIES!

Please give your great players back the extra rake that you illegally took from them.

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 12:54:31 AM

Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

Translation:

We are keeping all the bitcoin we unintentionally took from players. We have promotions though.

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Quote from: wwwin on December 12, 2015, 01:31:42 AM

That explains the whole situation. And no TwitchySeal nothing happened because of your rantings and therefore the medal you want is not forthcoming. If you think you are gonna get Betcoin players to play at Seals it's not going to happen since the seals have been moribund since Micon left.

How do you figure?
They contradict themselves in the first sentence.

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The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap, but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc ($3.43) for very few tables.

Theyve been aware of the issue for 4 weeks.

The day after I bring it up they fix it. (I think, maybe its not fixed though)

Do you really think they needed "rake testers''?

Have they returned the bitcoin they unintentionally took to the players it was unintentionally taken from?

Why do you care whether or not I try to stop a business from doing bad things?

I understand you don't care that they do bad things, but surely you wouldn't care if they stopped right?

Read my signature, they are glad I'm doing this.

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on December 12, 2015, 12:54:31 AM

The rake is actually programmed correctly in the system with the proper cap, but appears to be capping at 2 ($0.82) for most tables 5 ($2.14) for some tables and the highest of 8 mbtc ($3.43) for very few tables. To be clear this is still within the lower range of the caps for Poker Stars, Bovada, and Carbon Poker, but certainly not what we have on our rake page. For that we apologize, but we will certainly work through these bugs. There was a backoffice update that caused a variety of errors including the table starter and rake issues. This has been a very enlightening bug as most ring game players are still earning over 100% of the rakeback which is now more and the affiliates are also earning more.

We are working with the software provider to get this fixed and will continue to provide updates at Betcoin.ag. Refunding players who have been overpaying is a bit more complicated because most players are actually getting more than they should! Do we take this away from them and their affiliates? We thank you for your support and will continue to work hard everyday. We just want this to be perfect for all of you and we will keep working hard until we get there. Great action on the tables right now and we will extend the 10 mbtc ring game promo!

Good, nice promo and thank you for reply

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