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legendary
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It's been almost a month since Jasonort made this post: https://www.betcoin.ag/setting-record-straight

Have you responded to it?

Why did you lock the thread?

Did the freeroll jason funded you said would happen on July 24th ever happen?

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I would like to set the record straight on how I feel I was treated by Betcoin.ag and their handling of my dispute with BetSoft. My words have been twisted and used by both sides in this argument (Betcoin Haters vs. Betcoin Shills) on forums all over the internet. I have had some time to reflect back on this whole ordeal and would like to share my perspective. Although I doubt that this will happen I will ask that neither side post my comments to the forums as evidence that Betcoin is good or Betcoin is bad. This is only for the players that play at this site and want to know the facts. I will comment here on Betcoin only. I am contractually bound not to comment in regards to BetSoft.

First I would like to say that overall I have no bad feelings towards Betcoin. I feel that although they did not handle the situation exactly the way I would have wanted them to, they did help me to reach a settlement with BetSoft. Without their help this may not have happened. Andrew and staff spent many hours trying to resolve this situation, and worked very hard for me. What happened was out of their control, and not their fault, but they should have perhaps handled things differently. Prior to this incident I would have given Betcoin an A+. They treated me well, and I felt like I was a valued VIP player. Afterwards I would give them a B+. I am still treated well, and I still feel that they value my business. The reason for this change can be summed up in one statement: Lack of Transparency. Although I feel that Betcoin was trying to help me behind the scenes, the problem was that it was not communicated and it was done behind the scenes and the details of what was happening were not shared with me. This is where I think that Betcoin should have done better. An honest open line of communication would have made all of the difference. I still have some questions which I would welcome Betcoin to answer for all of us so that we might understand better the relationship between the casino and their software vendors:

1. Explain the relationship between Betcoin & Software Vendor. When a player places a wager on a game exactly how does it work? Explain the chain of custody of the wager and who is responsible for paying the player for a win or taking the money from a loss. Who holds the funds for a progressive jackpot? What recourse does a player have if they feel that they have been wrongly paid?

2. Why does Betcoin censor or delete forum posts? As I said transparency is very important to me as a player. It is the foundation of trust. At the beginning of this dispute I tried to bring this vigorously to the public because I felt I had been wronged. I had forum posts and comments removed by the moderators and staff. Why? My opinion on this is that Betcoin does not want to bite the hand that feeds them (The software vendors). If they allow posts that are negative towards the vendors it could jeopardize their business dealings with them. I understand this, but Betcoin needs to understand that without the players that play here there is no business. The customer should come first, not the vendor. Unless it is outright offensive allowing the players to publicly state their opinions is important. Freedom of speech is very important to me. Allowing dissenting viewpoints and difference of opinion need to be protected. Having my speech censored made me feel as though the profits were more important than the player. This is where I feel that Betcoin dropped the ball. Do the vendors monitor your forums? If so what does that communication look like? Do they ask you to take down negative postings against them?

3. Although I cannot comment on the issue of my spin, what is your opinion? Should the spin as it occurred have won the jackpot? I want only a one word answer. Yes or No. No disclaimers. One word only. It is your opinion and not legally binding.

I know that these are tough questions. But answer them and you will be better for it. Be transparent and build trust with your players by answering them. It will only help your business, not hurt it. I do not post this to attack you. In fact I continue to play here, although I have taken a recent hiatus. I really enjoy the site. You have always treated me well, and hope to continue our relationship. Answer these questions and your grade may improve back to an A+.

On a separate and more festive note I would like to thank all of the players on this site who had my back. Specifically ungod & he who must not be named (Twitchy). They fought for me, not because they know me or have any stake in what happened to me, but because they understand that players need to be treated fairly. Because it could have been them or any one of the players on this site that this happened to. As a thank you Betcoin has debited 200mBTC from my account which I have previously announced will be used to fund a poker tourney. Andrew had committed to matching it with 300mBTC. I look forward to sharing this with all of you, and more than likely watching from the sidelines (I'm sure I will be knocked out early as I am not a very good poker player). Thank you to Andrew and the staff at Betcoin for allowing me to do this. I look forward to seeing you all on the felt.

jasonort

P.S. Could you please add some additional slot gaming providers? I am somewhat limited by the games I am willing to play currently Wink

(yes, I have his permission to post this.  He wasn't very happy being ignored)

Unrelated note:  why did you post obviously faked skype conversations of me claiming to ddos your site?  I sent a pm asking you, it was ignored.
legendary
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Also, BayAreaCoins is referencing the wrong company in our trust.  If you read this BayAreaCoins, please reach out to speak with our support about everything going on with you according to your blog.  We have sent a pm:


Not only is the whole article unsigned, and without any proof (just new account posing in order to get likes), but it's also about entirely another casino (betcoin.TM)
DT members should do more research before acting out like this.

Yes, thank you ajareselde and he removed it promptly and we thank him for that and want to help point him in the right direction if assistance is needed.
legendary
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Also, BayAreaCoins is referencing the wrong company in our trust.  If you read this BayAreaCoins, please reach out to speak with our support about everything going on with you according to your blog.  We have sent a pm:


Not only is the whole article unsigned, and without any proof (just new account posing in order to get likes), but it's also about entirely another casino (betcoin.TM)
DT members should do more research before acting out like this.
legendary
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We are also working on the mobile version guys and it is coming soon!  We will keep you posted. 
Honestly can't wait for the mobile version to come out. Also being on firefox the main betcoin page still doesnt load for me, but the secondary pages do just like chrome.

We will certainly keep you posted!
legendary
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Betcoin Scheduled Maintenance - August 10, 2016 - 10:00 UTC - 4 Hours


As we continue to improve there will be a scheduled maintenance on August 10, 2016 - 10:00 UTC - 4 Hours of expected downtime. The Betcoin.ag website will be inaccessible during this maintenance, however poker will be fully accessible and playable. Please make the necessary transfer from your main to your poker if you plan on playing poker during this time.

POKER:Will be still be fully accessible.

Any outstanding withdrawals or player transfers will be credited back to your account.

We thank you very much for joining and playing at Betcoin.



https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-scheduled-maintenance-august-10-2016-1000-utc-4-hours
legendary
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Also, BayAreaCoins is referencing the wrong company in our trust.  If you read this BayAreaCoins, please reach out to speak with our support about everything going on with you according to your blog.  We have sent a pm:

hero member
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We are also working on the mobile version guys and it is coming soon!  We will keep you posted. 
Honestly can't wait for the mobile version to come out. Also being on firefox the main betcoin page still doesnt load for me, but the secondary pages do just like chrome.
legendary
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Hey people.
I'd like to know if betcoin is preparing a mobile version  of the poker client?
Cause id like to play on my phone!

I haven't used it personally, but apparently it is already possible to play Betcoin poker on a mobile device. Not sure if it is still working as some players have had issues with it in the past.

See here: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-web-mobile-tablet-version-fixed-new-improvements

and here: https://www.betcoin.ag/play-betcoin-poker-your-mobile-phone-or-tablet



It's a bit complicated and not the most stable ever but it works perfectly on average ^^

We are also working on the mobile version guys and it is coming soon!  We will keep you posted. 
legendary
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Forbidden.
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at betcoin.ag Port 80

Just tried to open the site because I want to see the schedule of the 250GTD tourney as I have a bonus ticket to use.
Any infos on whats happening with the site?

i get that also if i try to access https://www.betcoin.ag. but https://www.betcoin.ag/poker seems to work for me, so give that a try  Grin

DDoS Attack - Please access Betcoin.ag from Firefox or Internal Page - Just click here:  www.Betcoin.ag/user

Good luck in the tournament or click the link below:

https://www.betcoin.ag/ddos-attack-please-access-betcoinag-firefox-or-internal-page-wwwbetcoinaguser
legendary
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Forbidden.
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at betcoin.ag Port 80

Just tried to open the site because I want to see the schedule of the 250GTD tourney as I have a bonus ticket to use.
Any infos on whats happening with the site?



Everything works fine here : either betcoin.ag ,  https://www.betcoin.ag/poker and poker client  as well.



Ayway 250 GTD starts in 2 hours and 54 minutes from this post time  and its registration starts in 54 minutes.  Smiley
hero member
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Forbidden.
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at betcoin.ag Port 80

Just tried to open the site because I want to see the schedule of the 250GTD tourney as I have a bonus ticket to use.
Any infos on whats happening with the site?

i get that also if i try to access https://www.betcoin.ag. but https://www.betcoin.ag/poker seems to work for me, so give that a try  Grin
legendary
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Forbidden.
You don't have permission to access / on this server.
Apache/2.4.7 (Ubuntu) Server at betcoin.ag Port 80

Just tried to open the site because I want to see the schedule of the 250GTD tourney as I have a bonus ticket to use.
Any infos on whats happening with the site?
legendary
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Hey people.
I'd like to know if betcoin is preparing a mobile version  of the poker client?
Cause id like to play on my phone!

I haven't used it personally, but apparently it is already possible to play Betcoin poker on a mobile device. Not sure if it is still working as some players have had issues with it in the past.

See here: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-web-mobile-tablet-version-fixed-new-improvements

and here: https://www.betcoin.ag/play-betcoin-poker-your-mobile-phone-or-tablet



It's a bit complicated and not the most stable ever but it works perfectly on average ^^
legendary
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Hey people.
I'd like to know if betcoin is preparing a mobile version  of the poker client?
Cause id like to play on my phone!

I haven't used it personally, but apparently it is already possible to play Betcoin poker on a mobile device. Not sure if it is still working as some players have had issues with it in the past.

See here: https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoin-poker-web-mobile-tablet-version-fixed-new-improvements

and here: https://www.betcoin.ag/play-betcoin-poker-your-mobile-phone-or-tablet

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Betcoin.ag Poker Terms of Service (TOS)

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BetcoinPoker.com advises You to read all of these documents carefully as each forms part of the legally binding agreement between You and BetcoinPoker.com

-> It is juridical not possible to have a legally binding agreement with a domain name! Legally binding agreements are only possible between legal entities or private persons. The “Terms of Service” does also neither state the name of the operator nor a gambling license (if any exist), nothing!

-> False and misleading statements are the criminal offense of fraud!

Fraud Act 2016

2 Fraud by false representation

(1) A person is in breach of this section if he—

(a) dishonestly makes a false representation, and

(b) intends, by making the representation—

(i) to make a gain for himself or another, or

(ii) to cause loss to another or to expose another to a risk of loss.

(2) A representation is false if—

(a) it is untrue or misleading, and

(b) the person making it knows that it is, or might be, untrue or misleading.

(3) “Representation” means any representation as to fact or law, including a representation as to the state of mind of—

(a) the person making the representation, or

(b) any other person.

(4) A representation may be express or implied.

(5) For the purposes of this section a representation may be regarded as made if it (or anything implying it) is submitted in any form to any system or device designed to receive, convey or respond to communications (with or without human intervention).


Betcoin.ag governed in Hong Kong or in Curacao or nowhere?

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25. GOVERNING LAW

These Agreements shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong. You irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability.

Based on what shall the alleged agreements with Betcoin.ag be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong?

How could “These Agreements” be governed and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, while online gambling is not allowed in Hong Kong? Does this make sense?

If the Betcoin.ag operation shall be governed by and interpreted in accordance with the laws of Hong Kong, why do you need to irrevocably agree to submit to the exclusive jurisdiction of the courts of Curacao in The Netherlands Antilles for the settlement of any dispute or matters arising out of or concerning these Agreements or their enforceability?

Is the company who operates Betcoin.ag incorporated in Curacao and holds a worthless Curacao eGaming license?

If this is the case, what is the name of the company? Why is the name of the operator not stated on their website?

If Betcoin.ag has a valid license, why do they not state the seal on their website?

Do you feel comfortable to send your Bitcoin to something while you do not know who the operator is?

Would it matter for you if this something would have a gambling license, or do you not care at all?
 
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Hey people.
I'd like to know if betcoin is preparing a mobile version  of the poker client?
Cause id like to play on my phone!
legendary
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Here's a question for anyone, I'm a cash game player, but I noticed I have a bunch of "Poker Tourney Money" in my wallet. The question is, what tournaments can I use this in? I've tried clicking various tournaments and in the registration I see the option for using "Poker Tourney Money" but it is blacked out/not usable for all the tourneys I've tried checking it on. I read somewhere that tourneys that you can use it on have a special symbol, but I haven't seemed to be able to find any. Does anyone know which tournaments this Poker Tourney Money can be used?


I am not 100% sure (it's quite a bit am not playing poker anymore) but you can use your tourney money to register in those tournaments whose buyins are displayed in mBTC (they are betcoin own tournaments) instead the tournaments with buyins displayed in $ are the ones shared with Winning Tournament Network and (for what I can remember) you can't use "tourney money" to register there.


Ahh, it appears you are correct. It seems to be only those tourneys with buy-ins in mBTC as you say. Thanks, man.
legendary
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for the Betcoin ring games... do they use the same RNG as other WPN rooms, or is it a separate one specifically used by Betcoin?

Good question. I'd be curious to know the answer to that as well.

Here's a question for anyone, I'm a cash game player, but I noticed I have a bunch of "Poker Tourney Money" in my wallet. The question is, what tournaments can I use this in? I've tried clicking various tournaments and in the registration I see the option for using "Poker Tourney Money" but it is blacked out/not usable for all the tourneys I've tried checking it on. I read somewhere that tourneys that you can use it on have a special symbol, but I haven't seemed to be able to find any. Does anyone know which tournaments this Poker Tourney Money can be used?


I am not 100% sure (it's quite a bit am not playing poker anymore) but you can use your tourney money to register in those tournaments whose buyins are displayed in mBTC (they are betcoin own tournaments) instead the tournaments with buyins displayed in $ are the ones shared with Winning Tournament Network and (for what I can remember) you can't use "tourney money" to register there.
legendary
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for the Betcoin ring games... do they use the same RNG as other WPN rooms, or is it a separate one specifically used by Betcoin?

Good question. I'd be curious to know the answer to that as well.

Here's a question for anyone, I'm a cash game player, but I noticed I have a bunch of "Poker Tourney Money" in my wallet. The question is, what tournaments can I use this in? I've tried clicking various tournaments and in the registration I see the option for using "Poker Tourney Money" but it is blacked out/not usable for all the tourneys I've tried checking it on. I read somewhere that tourneys that you can use it on have a special symbol, but I haven't seemed to be able to find any. Does anyone know which tournaments this Poker Tourney Money can be used?
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for the Betcoin ring games... do they use the same RNG as other WPN rooms, or is it a separate one specifically used by Betcoin?
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