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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 16, 2015, 02:40:41 AM

Quote from: Wh0CaR3s on August 16, 2015, 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:52 AM

Major Betcoin.ag Update Changes

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@Betcoin.ag Instead of spamming this thread about your last update, wanna talk about what you tried to hide in it ?
https://www.betcoin.ag/hidden-vip-scheme-change
24 hours later still no official reaction while you seem to be very active in this thread...

I copy/paste the post in case the thread on your own website is nuked or whatever and your customers have the right now what you did hide from them since the last update.
"I was quite sure that 1 Chip Rake = 6 Status Points.
But today when I went to the VIP page it is stated that "1 Chip Rake = 5 Status Points".
https://www.betcoin.ag/vip

Just thought I had a bad memory on this one but it is confirmed that, at least, when you did announce your new VIP scheme in December '14 1 Chip Rake was equal to 6 Status Points:
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoinag-announces-new-vip-players-club-bonus

If I did miss an announcement on your part about this change then I do apologize and welcome you to link me to it."

It is confirmed by other players since then that indeed you changed the rules in VIP scheme without telling anyone.
Still waiting for an official reaction.

They also didn't mention that now you earn points twice as fast in casino and sportsbook...

Do you think they are hiding that also?

Yes they were hiding it too. Because poker players would have been quite pissed off at having to take a reduction while sports and casino players got rates doubled at the expense of people that only play poker. Which means that the VIP program for poker players is an illusion. When enough players reach high levels of rakeback to make it expensive for Betcoin then they will shut it down or reduce it. They are playing the poker players like a fiddle. They change everything around to fit their needs. The VIP rewards rates are written on HTML web pages not paper.

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Quote from: Wh0CaR3s on August 16, 2015, 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:52 AM

Major Betcoin.ag Update Changes

...

@Betcoin.ag Instead of spamming this thread about your last update, wanna talk about what you tried to hide in it ?
https://www.betcoin.ag/hidden-vip-scheme-change
24 hours later still no official reaction while you seem to be very active in this thread...

I copy/paste the post in case the thread on your own website is nuked or whatever and your customers have the right now what you did hide from them since the last update.
"I was quite sure that 1 Chip Rake = 6 Status Points.
But today when I went to the VIP page it is stated that "1 Chip Rake = 5 Status Points".
https://www.betcoin.ag/vip

Just thought I had a bad memory on this one but it is confirmed that, at least, when you did announce your new VIP scheme in December '14 1 Chip Rake was equal to 6 Status Points:
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoinag-announces-new-vip-players-club-bonus

If I did miss an announcement on your part about this change then I do apologize and welcome you to link me to it."

It is confirmed by other players since then that indeed you changed the rules in VIP scheme without telling anyone.
Still waiting for an official reaction.

They also didn't mention that now you earn points twice as fast in casino and sportsbook...

Do you think they are hiding that also?

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Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:52 AM

Major Betcoin.ag Update Changes

...

@Betcoin.ag Instead of spamming this thread about your last update, wanna talk about what you tried to hide in it ?
https://www.betcoin.ag/hidden-vip-scheme-change
24 hours later still no official reaction while you seem to be very active in this thread...

I copy/paste the post in case the thread on your own website is nuked or whatever and your customers have the right now what you did hide from them since the last update.
"I was quite sure that 1 Chip Rake = 6 Status Points.
But today when I went to the VIP page it is stated that "1 Chip Rake = 5 Status Points".
https://www.betcoin.ag/vip

Just thought I had a bad memory on this one but it is confirmed that, at least, when you did announce your new VIP scheme in December '14 1 Chip Rake was equal to 6 Status Points:
https://www.betcoin.ag/betcoinag-announces-new-vip-players-club-bonus

If I did miss an announcement on your part about this change then I do apologize and welcome you to link me to it."

It is confirmed by other players since then that indeed you changed the rules in VIP scheme without telling anyone.
Still waiting for an official reaction.

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Quote from: wwwin on August 16, 2015, 01:35:59 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 16, 2015, 01:15:41 AM

Quote from: SyGambler on August 15, 2015, 04:02:35 PM

Hey Betcoin
yesterday I played some WPN games and generated more than 0.75$ as buy-in fee , but I only got 9 status points
are you not calculating the full fee when your players play WPN games ??
I want to know full info about the VIP and rakeback when we are talking about WPN games cause I'm turning to SNG games and everyone knows that rakeback is really important in SNG games

https://www.betcoin.ag/vip I just found they decrease the program of poker, it was 1 chip rake = 6 status points, but now is 5 status points, they increased the program of casino and sportsbook, now wager 1 btc = 20 status points, it was 10 status points.

So are Poker players abusing the system thus the reduction on status points? LOL.

LOLLOL, who knows, maybe betcoin thinks poker players get higher rewards, and don't have enough casino and sports bettors. Actually IMO gettting surprise box daily doesn't mean abuse the surprise box

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 16, 2015, 01:15:41 AM

Quote from: SyGambler on August 15, 2015, 04:02:35 PM

Hey Betcoin
yesterday I played some WPN games and generated more than 0.75$ as buy-in fee , but I only got 9 status points
are you not calculating the full fee when your players play WPN games ??
I want to know full info about the VIP and rakeback when we are talking about WPN games cause I'm turning to SNG games and everyone knows that rakeback is really important in SNG games

https://www.betcoin.ag/vip I just found they decrease the program of poker, it was 1 chip rake = 6 status points, but now is 5 status points, they increased the program of casino and sportsbook, now wager 1 btc = 20 status points, it was 10 status points.

So are Poker players abusing the system thus the reduction on status points? LOL.

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 16, 2015, 12:43:04 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:32:15 PM

I come here to bet on sports, I have wagered over 160btc on sports-bronze II member.

- If you wagered over 160btc on sports at betcoin, you would be higher than bronze II. ( https://www.betcoin.ag/vip )

- It's kind of obvious from scanning a few of your posts that you just go site to site looking for whatever freebies you can get, cashing them out as soon as given the opportunity. WPN results also support this ( 37 tournaments, 31 of them freerolls )

https://i.gyazo.com/0150db351a9026d6b64f0bbc28e98f5a.png

Not saying there's anything wrong with that ethically, just that it makes sense why sites would choose not to make it easy to do what you do.

I don't think that sharkscope is accurate. Some tournaments played don't even show up. And no cash game statistics.

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 16, 2015, 01:15:41 AM

Quote from: SyGambler on August 15, 2015, 04:02:35 PM

Hey Betcoin
yesterday I played some WPN games and generated more than 0.75$ as buy-in fee , but I only got 9 status points
are you not calculating the full fee when your players play WPN games ??
I want to know full info about the VIP and rakeback when we are talking about WPN games cause I'm turning to SNG games and everyone knows that rakeback is really important in SNG games

https://www.betcoin.ag/vip I just found they decrease the program of poker, it was 1 chip rake = 6 status points, but now is 5 status points, they increased the program of casino and sportsbook, now wager 1 btc = 20 status points, it was 10 status points.

Yep, all your information in both posts checks out. Here's an archive of the page for confirmation:

https://web.archive.org/web/20150512164703/https://www.betcoin.ag/vip

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Quote from: SyGambler on August 15, 2015, 04:02:35 PM

Hey Betcoin
yesterday I played some WPN games and generated more than 0.75$ as buy-in fee , but I only got 9 status points
are you not calculating the full fee when your players play WPN games ??
I want to know full info about the VIP and rakeback when we are talking about WPN games cause I'm turning to SNG games and everyone knows that rakeback is really important in SNG games

https://www.betcoin.ag/vip I just found they decrease the program of poker, it was 1 chip rake = 6 status points, but now is 5 status points, they increased the program of casino and sportsbook, now wager 1 btc = 20 status points, it was 10 status points.

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 16, 2015, 12:43:04 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:32:15 PM

I come here to bet on sports, I have wagered over 160btc on sports-bronze II member.

- If you wagered over 160btc on sports at betcoin, you would be higher than bronze II. ( https://www.betcoin.ag/vip )

- It's kind of obvious from scanning a few of your posts that you just go site to site looking for whatever freebies you can get, cashing them out as soon as given the opportunity. WPN results also support this ( 37 tournaments, 31 of them freerolls )

https://i.gyazo.com/0150db351a9026d6b64f0bbc28e98f5a.png

Not saying there's anything wrong with that ethically, just that it makes sense why sites would choose not to make it easy to do what you do.

Betting 1000mbtc was worth 10 status points, after the update they increase to 20 points(I guess that is why they decrease the surprise box), so I wagered 160btc = 160*10=1600 status points BEFORE THE UPDATE, is this clear??? If you don't know the previoud VIP program, other guys can prove it.

actually I have 1700 status points now, and all of your speculation is based on wrong calculation cause what you see now is new program. About the freerolls, most of people like them especially in gambling section, it is very normal, if you don't like it, don't force others not like it or blame them. Wink

EDIT: you can check the link of ranlo post below, that's the proof of old vip program, and IMO you are new here, right? So I am angry about your offense & insult to me, I will be nice if you admit your wrong statements and apologize.

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:32:15 PM

I come here to bet on sports, I have wagered over 160btc on sports-bronze II member.

- If you wagered over 160btc on sports at betcoin, you would be higher than bronze II. ( https://www.betcoin.ag/vip )

- It's kind of obvious from scanning a few of your posts that you just go site to site looking for whatever freebies you can get, cashing them out as soon as given the opportunity. WPN results also support this ( 37 tournaments, 31 of them freerolls )

https://i.gyazo.com/0150db351a9026d6b64f0bbc28e98f5a.png

Not saying there's anything wrong with that ethically, just that it makes sense why sites would choose not to make it easy to do what you do.

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I come here to bet on sports, I have wagered over 160btc on sports-bronze II member. I bet here cause I wanna get more rewards & status points until someday I have high betback and lossback I can be profitable, but if they decrease the rewards, of course I will go to other higher odds sportsbook like cloudbet, it usually offers 2-5% higher odds on tennis than betcoin, why I get 3% less profits and I get 30%-50% of original daily box now? No, I won't gambler here unless they two have the same odds, so I can get more 0.1% betback, I am a sports bettor, I am not a guy gives casino free money.

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Quote from: Revelation Machine on August 15, 2015, 04:58:54 PM

Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 15, 2015, 02:27:32 PM

Imagine a grocery store had a coupon for a free item once a day.

After a couple months they realize theyre giving away on average 1000 items a day but only averaging 50 customers a day.

From the businesses point of view, there are over 900 people abusing their promotion. Changing the promotion so that it would be harder to abuse makes perfect sense.

First off, the SB for people who don't rake at all, and even for those that have raked a coin or two, is very very very small and is basically nothing. We're talking fractions of cents per day.

Secondly, the SB was marketed as "if you give us action, we'll give you something every day for free". Now they are saying "if you give us action TODAY, we'll give you something for free". It's a bait-and-switch. The SB was always the long-term reward for rake paid...it's like the krillrolls on SWC.

A more accurate example would be if a store said "if you pay $1000 in tax at our store, we'll mail you a $.10 coupon every day for the rest of your life!" and then after 6-8 months they said "sorry, now you have to spend money every day in addition to your past payments in order to get any coupons".

Betcoin has ALWAYS seen it's players getting rewards in ways that they don't want (ie in ways that they don't make the max money off of them) as "abuse". They don't understand how rules/regulations/fair business practices work.

AFAIK, they haven't said you won't get the box if you're not actively playing. They are just giving them at random times now instead of set periods. As long as you check in every day or two, playing or not, you should still get the reward.

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 15, 2015, 02:27:32 PM

Imagine a grocery store had a coupon for a free item once a day.

After a couple months they realize theyre giving away on average 1000 items a day but only averaging 50 customers a day.

From the businesses point of view, there are over 900 people abusing their promotion. Changing the promotion so that it would be harder to abuse makes perfect sense.

First off, the SB for people who don't rake at all, and even for those that have raked a coin or two, is very very very small and is basically nothing. We're talking fractions of cents per day.

Secondly, the SB was marketed as "if you give us action, we'll give you something every day for free". Now they are saying "if you give us action TODAY, we'll give you something for free". It's a bait-and-switch. The SB was always the long-term reward for rake paid...it's like the krillrolls on SWC.

A more accurate example would be if a store said "if you pay $1000 in tax at our store, we'll mail you a $.10 coupon every day for the rest of your life!" and then after 6-8 months they said "sorry, now you have to spend money every day in addition to your past payments in order to get any coupons".

Betcoin has ALWAYS seen it's players getting rewards in ways that they don't want (ie in ways that they don't make the max money off of them) as "abuse". They don't understand how rules/regulations/fair business practices work.

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Hey Betcoin
yesterday I played some WPN games and generated more than 0.75$ as buy-in fee , but I only got 9 status points
are you not calculating the full fee when your players play WPN games ??
I want to know full info about the VIP and rakeback when we are talking about WPN games cause I'm turning to SNG games and everyone knows that rakeback is really important in SNG games

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Quote from: TwitchySeal on August 15, 2015, 02:27:32 PM

Quote from: ranlo on August 15, 2015, 12:31:04 PM

In full disclosure, I was one of those people. If I'm playing on the site and getting rewarded for it, why would I make a conscious effort not to capitalize on that? It's like going to the grocery store and them giving a coupon that says you can use it up to 5x and saying "eh, I know you're offering the chance, but I'll just pay full price for 4 of them instead."

If you regularly play on the site, then you're not one of those people.

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 12:34:55 PM

LOL, you don't understand what OP said, getting daily surprise box ON TIME doesn't mean ABUSE, if someone can get more than 1 box within 24 hours, that's abuse, I hope OP will explain that to you.

LOL(?)I don't think there was anyone getting more than one surprise box per 24 hours. I think there are just many players who have been logging in every day (ON TIME) simply to claim the bonus box.

I'm talking about players that signed up 6 or more months ago, who have claimed their surprise box nearly every day (nearly 200 times), but are still Bronze 2 or 3. Why would betcoin want to continue giving money away to these people. They are a casino, not a faucet.

Imagine a grocery store had a coupon for a free item once a day.

After a couple months they realize theyre giving away on average 1000 items a day but only averaging 50 customers a day.

From the businesses point of view, there are over 900 people abusing their promotion. Changing the promotion so that it would be harder to abuse makes perfect sense.

Yeah, I can see your PoV. They haven't actually said what the problem was, though. And for those of us that only play poker, it is more of a hassle to have to keep randomly checking the site for a new Surprise Box, as opposed to knowing about when to look for it. It'd be different for people who play a lot on the site itself.

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Quote from: ranlo on August 15, 2015, 12:31:04 PM

In full disclosure, I was one of those people. If I'm playing on the site and getting rewarded for it, why would I make a conscious effort not to capitalize on that? It's like going to the grocery store and them giving a coupon that says you can use it up to 5x and saying "eh, I know you're offering the chance, but I'll just pay full price for 4 of them instead."

If you regularly play on the site, then you're not one of those people.

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 12:34:55 PM

LOL, you don't understand what OP said, getting daily surprise box ON TIME doesn't mean ABUSE, if someone can get more than 1 box within 24 hours, that's abuse, I hope OP will explain that to you.

LOL(?)I don't think there was anyone getting more than one surprise box per 24 hours. I think there are just many players who have been logging in every day (ON TIME) simply to claim the bonus box.

I'm talking about players that signed up 6 or more months ago, who have claimed their surprise box nearly every day (nearly 200 times), but are still Bronze 2 or 3. Why would betcoin want to continue giving money away to these people. They are a casino, not a faucet.

Imagine a grocery store had a coupon for a free item once a day.

After a couple months they realize theyre giving away on average 1000 items a day but only averaging 50 customers a day.

From the businesses point of view, there are over 900 people abusing their promotion. Changing the promotion so that it would be harder to abuse makes perfect sense.

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 15, 2015, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:59:42 AM

Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 15, 2015, 11:52:19 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:48:49 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:19 AM

There were multiple ways to abuse the surprise box and the reason we don't want to provide specifics here is because people will read it and start trying it again... Think about it and be creative. I will say the fact that you haven't figured out a few of the ways shows us that you were not abusing it, but we never thought you were. Thank you for playing with us.

It is unfair to us who didn't abuse your system, you should blacklist them who abuse the system or give them 2-3 days per box, but you can't give us everyone 2-3 days to get one box, it is unfair to us, restate again, it must lose many players, especially me, your sportsbook don't attract if you decrease the daily box, unless your sportsbook significantly enhance the odds.

You are probably part of the reason they changed it.

LOL, I have said I am honest on this site, I get daily surprise box, and never get it twice or more in 1 day, I just get it per 24 hours, I never abuse it, so your claim is totally incorrect. Wink

I didn't say you were dishonest.

Just saying you were probably one of the players logging on every day around the same time just to claim the box, this is obviously not the kind of thing they want to encourage.

LOL, you don't understand what OP said, getting daily surprise box ON TIME doesn't mean ABUSE, if someone can get more than 1 box within 24 hours, that's abuse, I hope OP will explain that to you.

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Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 15, 2015, 12:05:34 PM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:59:42 AM

Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 15, 2015, 11:52:19 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:48:49 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:19 AM

There were multiple ways to abuse the surprise box and the reason we don't want to provide specifics here is because people will read it and start trying it again... Think about it and be creative. I will say the fact that you haven't figured out a few of the ways shows us that you were not abusing it, but we never thought you were. Thank you for playing with us.

It is unfair to us who didn't abuse your system, you should blacklist them who abuse the system or give them 2-3 days per box, but you can't give us everyone 2-3 days to get one box, it is unfair to us, restate again, it must lose many players, especially me, your sportsbook don't attract if you decrease the daily box, unless your sportsbook significantly enhance the odds.

You are probably part of the reason they changed it.

LOL, I have said I am honest on this site, I get daily surprise box, and never get it twice or more in 1 day, I just get it per 24 hours, I never abuse it, so your claim is totally incorrect. Wink

I didn't say you were dishonest.

Just saying you were probably one of the players logging on every day around the same time just to claim the box, this is obviously not the kind of thing they want to encourage.

In full disclosure, I was one of those people. If I'm playing on the site and getting rewarded for it, why would I make a conscious effort not to capitalize on that? It's like going to the grocery store and them giving a coupon that says you can use it up to 5x and saying "eh, I know you're offering the chance, but I'll just pay full price for 4 of them instead."

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Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:59:42 AM

Quote from: cryptosmoker on August 15, 2015, 11:52:19 AM

Quote from: fox19891989 on August 15, 2015, 11:48:49 AM

Quote from: Betcoin.AG on August 15, 2015, 11:32:19 AM

There were multiple ways to abuse the surprise box and the reason we don't want to provide specifics here is because people will read it and start trying it again... Think about it and be creative. I will say the fact that you haven't figured out a few of the ways shows us that you were not abusing it, but we never thought you were. Thank you for playing with us.

It is unfair to us who didn't abuse your system, you should blacklist them who abuse the system or give them 2-3 days per box, but you can't give us everyone 2-3 days to get one box, it is unfair to us, restate again, it must lose many players, especially me, your sportsbook don't attract if you decrease the daily box, unless your sportsbook significantly enhance the odds.

You are probably part of the reason they changed it.

LOL, I have said I am honest on this site, I get daily surprise box, and never get it twice or more in 1 day, I just get it per 24 hours, I never abuse it, so your claim is totally incorrect. Wink

I didn't say you were dishonest.

Just saying you were probably one of the players logging on every day around the same time just to claim the box, this is obviously not the kind of thing they want to encourage.

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