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Topic: BetKing.io - BKB token REFUNDS - $70k refunded so far - page 3. (Read 27690 times)

legendary
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The above poster is that sad that they wrote a script to auto post FUD when I unlocked the thread Smiley

As you can see in the threads he creates, no investors are posting in there and it's just him and some trolls repeating the same crap over and over.

He's also trying a very poor SEO attempt to have my name come up in google with scam next to it.

I've tried answering his initial questions but he ignores them and just posts replies until my answers are buried.
They don't know any facts, make terrible assumptions and show that they are complete idiots and have no clue how the site or this business works.

The thread will remain locked so they can't have bots posting FUD all the time.

Again if any actual BKB token holders have concerns then you can ask me anything in email or in the private telegram group that almost all investors are in.

legendary
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Today marks a year since https://betking.io relaunched.
To celebrate we are giving every player who played in the last year free sports bets!

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Wagered 0.001 Bitcoin or more -> $10 free bet (1.3 mBTC)
Wagered 1 Bitcoin or more -> $20 free bet (2.6 mBTC)
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The total giveaway this promotion is over $36,000!

Terms:
- free bets can be placed on any sport, pre-match or live on any market with odds of 2.0 or greater.
- any winning free bet does not return stake.
- you can withdraw any winnings instantly, no play through.
- the full value of the free bet must be used in a single bet.
 

legendary
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Today is the 4th BKB buyback date.

Everyone who had opted in to sell has had 10% of their BKB balance traded for Bitcoin.

The rates used were the current BKB buy back price of $0.0996 and Bitfinex Bitcoin rate of $7305.7

legendary
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tomorrow is te next token buy back date.

to sell 10% of your tokens back deposit all you tokens to beting.io and click the opt in to sell button.

your bkb will be converted to bitcoin using the exchange rate of bitfinex.
legendary
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you can now play our provably fair roulette game with btc, eth, ltc and bkb and also disable animations for faster spins


https://betking.io/roulette

we've also reduced margins on the following markets
BOTH TEAMS TO SCORE
O/U Goals
ODD/EVEN Goals

for the following leagues;

Champs League
Premier League
La Liga
Ligue 1
Bundesliga
Serie a
legendary
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Our sportsbook now has chinese translation.

click on the language selector (the flag) on top right of screen to change to chinese on betking.io
legendary
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Last weeks leaderboard prizes paid.
0.5 bitcoin, 10 ethereum and 50 litecoin shared between the winners below!

New week has started.

Good luck
https://betking.io/leaderboards





legendary
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we have updated our live dealer lobby
Games are easier to navigate now.
legendary
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Last weeks leaderboard prizes paid.
0.5 bitcoin, 10 ethereum and 50 litecoin shared between the winners!

New week has started and there's a new rule. To be eligible you need to have your stats public.

Good luck
https://betking.io/leaderboards
legendary
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New live dealer games are now available on betking.io

You can play Baccarat, Blackjack, Roulette as well as other games.

Also playing these games adds to your weekly leaderboard position.


legendary
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We've reduced the margin across all sports. You should now get better odds than most of the competition Smiley

If there's anything that we missed let me know and I'll change.

legendary
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Congrats to the last weeks winners.
Prizes of 0.5 Bitcoin, 10 Ethereum and 50 Litecoin have been credited to winning players.

The new week has started with the same prizes up for grabs!

Check https://betking.io/leaderboards for current standings
legendary
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Well, just jolly good, game protect and chazley (3 mentally ill people) posting nonsense as usual. I think this is proof the thread should be locked and I don't participate on bitcointalk any longer.

You can say people should be able to discuss all you want but as you can see no one does and it's juts these idiots posting to themselves.

If you want info on BetKing or want to talk to me, you know how to get in touch.
legendary
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Regarding the statements you made, I ask you where is the evidence?
I'm not sure what you mean, I posted reference links for each quote.

I mean you posted previous comments that Dean Nolan made and now you deleted the post asking me for clarification....  Roll Eyes

Did he ever release any accounts to show what he is doing and on which date he did it?

There is no evidence that can prove Dean Nolan did act on what he said he would do. There is no evidence that can prove Dean Nolan did or did not renege on his promises.

All (or most) of this would be cleared up IF he releases accounts which can be scrutinised.

Your point number 3 states that Dean Nolan said he would not re-sell tokens purchased in the buy-back.

Can this be independently verified? If "no" then why not? If "no" then how can the accounts be scrutinised?
legendary
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As much as I love the drama in this thread, let's stick to the facts. Here are some facts to consider:

1.
Because the ICO description divides the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 with only 70,000,000 BKB tokens leading to the value of $ 0.09286 per token.

Whereas if you divide the $ 6,500,000 total bankroll value with 100,000,000 BKB, the value is only $ 0,065 per token!
I've raised this question here on June 23, 2017. It was answered 3 posts lower:
I don't end up short. The buy back price is tied to the current bankroll profit. I'm committing to buying back at least 10% of tokens every 3 months.
The site will be making profit in that time and it will be the profit that is used to buy back the tokens.


2.
What investors were not told was that those 30 million tokens were going to be part of the "profit" distribution
That's not true, it was explained:
The total funds raised will determine the price per BetKing Bankroll token.We will take the total value of all funds at the current exchange rate at the end of the crowdsale to determine the total raised funds.E.g. If we raised $1,000,000 then the price per token would be $0.014 (1,000,000 / 70,000,000).

The buy back price offered by BetKing will be based on the current total bankroll profit.So for example if the price of the token at the end of the crowdsale was $0.014 and the bankroll profit was $1,000,000 then the buy back price would be $0.024 (1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014).


3.
~ you can buy BKB directly on BetKing with 25% discount
https://betking.io/invest
At the first page of the BKB Crowdsale thread, Dean told me this wouldn't happen.
My question:
Will the tokens that are bought back by BetKing be re-sold again at some point, or are they off the market forever?
Dean's answer (archived):
They won't be re-sold no.

Firstly, thank you for your post. I appreciate it.

Regarding the statements you made, I ask you where is the evidence? Yes Dan Nolan said many things but where is the evidence? How can what you point out that Dean Nolan stated be verified and cross-refernced?

1) The fact the buy-back of 10% every quarter is linked to the "profit" means Dean Nolan will never be short regardless of the number of tokens out there because he is only buying back 10% of any investors balance
    of their Betking tokens at any given time forcing them to keep 90%. They cannot sell them anywhere else because no demand for them unless they sell at a huge loss.

2) He created 100 million tokens. He distributed 70 million to investors. He kept 30 million to spend on marketing, developers and promotion
    Why would the 30 million tokens (that Dean Nolan did not release during the ICO) generate "profit"? It means the 70 million ICO token holders receive LESS profit share!
    Why would Dean Nolan keep profit on 30 million sitting-idle tokens knowing the profit is going directly into his own pocket when those tokens were to be distributed to "promotion, marketing and development"?
    When those tokens were distributed out as part of the "promotion, marketing and development" then they become eligble for being part of the profit share.
    Where is the evidence showing on which date Dean Nolan parted with hom many tokens and for which purpose?

3) If what you wrote is true then it means the 70 million tokens Dean Nolan claims he is in possession of cannot be re-sold. Of the original 30 million tokens not made available during the ICO how may remain?
    Which tokens is he selling on the Betking website now? https://betking.io/invest
    If the tokens are being sold are part of the original 30 million tokens which were not made available during the ICO then WHY is Dean Nolan claiming, including and keeping the "profits" on them?
    How can anything he says be verified and checked to ascertain no fraud has taken place (though as far as morals are concerned everybody can see the shambles)

Dean Nolan should consider being more transparent allowing people in general, current users, investors and potential investors to scrutinise the accounts.
hero member
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As much as I love the drama in this thread, let's stick to the facts. Here are some facts to consider:

1.
Because the ICO description divides the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 with only 70,000,000 BKB tokens leading to the value of $ 0.09286 per token.

Whereas if you divide the $ 6,500,000 total bankroll value with 100,000,000 BKB, the value is only $ 0,065 per token!
I've raised this question here on June 23, 2017. It was answered 3 posts lower:
I don't end up short. The buy back price is tied to the current bankroll profit. I'm committing to buying back at least 10% of tokens every 3 months.
The site will be making profit in that time and it will be the profit that is used to buy back the tokens.
I am not able to see the answer why he divided the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 end of the ICO with only 70,000,000 while the total number is 100,000,000?


3.
~ you can buy BKB directly on BetKing with 25% discount
https://betking.io/invest
At the first page of the BKB Crowdsale thread, Dean told me this wouldn't happen.
My question:
Will the tokens that are bought back by BetKing be re-sold again at some point, or are they off the market forever?
Dean's answer (archived):
They won't be re-sold no.
Very interesting point because you still can buy BKB tokens even though the tokens bought back won't be re-sold!

This means that BetKing continuously creates new BKB tokens making the existing tokens more worthless, because to determine the basis value of the BKB tokens you need to divide the $ 6,500,000 with all existing tokens.

This further confirms that the value of the BKB token is not determined as announced, but somehow based on an internal and secret fantasy formula determined by BetKing! Cheesy
legendary
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As much as I love the drama in this thread, let's stick to the facts. Here are some facts to consider:

1.
Because the ICO description divides the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 with only 70,000,000 BKB tokens leading to the value of $ 0.09286 per token.

Whereas if you divide the $ 6,500,000 total bankroll value with 100,000,000 BKB, the value is only $ 0,065 per token!
I've raised this question here on June 23, 2017. It was answered 3 posts lower:
I don't end up short. The buy back price is tied to the current bankroll profit. I'm committing to buying back at least 10% of tokens every 3 months.
The site will be making profit in that time and it will be the profit that is used to buy back the tokens.


2.
What investors were not told was that those 30 million tokens were going to be part of the "profit" distribution
That's not true, it was explained:
The total funds raised will determine the price per BetKing Bankroll token.We will take the total value of all funds at the current exchange rate at the end of the crowdsale to determine the total raised funds.E.g. If we raised $1,000,000 then the price per token would be $0.014 (1,000,000 / 70,000,000).

The buy back price offered by BetKing will be based on the current total bankroll profit.So for example if the price of the token at the end of the crowdsale was $0.014 and the bankroll profit was $1,000,000 then the buy back price would be $0.024 (1,000,000/100,000,000 + 0.014).


3.
~ you can buy BKB directly on BetKing with 25% discount
https://betking.io/invest
At the first page of the BKB Crowdsale thread, Dean told me this wouldn't happen.
My question:
Will the tokens that are bought back by BetKing be re-sold again at some point, or are they off the market forever?
Dean's answer (archived):
They won't be re-sold no.
legendary
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Is it confirmed that there are 100,000,000 BKB tokens?

Because the ICO description divides the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 with only 70,000,000 BKB tokens leading to the value of $ 0.09286 per token.

Whereas if you divide the $ 6,500,000 total bankroll value with 100,000,000 BKB, the value is only $ 0,065 per token!

So if there are really 100,000,000 BKB tokens, BetKing sold them for 40% more like their real value was!!!

And if such a ponzi scheme crushes, you of course can not get 40% more like its real value on the free market!

It was stated that there were 100 million Betking tokens created. 70 million tokens were supposed to be distributed for ICO investors and Dean Nolan was supposed to keep 30 million for marketing, promotions and "website development". What investors were not told was that those 30 million tokens were going to be part of the "profit" distribution so ICO investors who were getting very little profit anyway were now getting even less because Dean Nolan was claiming profits on the 30 million tokens that were in his possession. On top of that nobody seems to know how many tokens were "given" in exchnage for the "website development" and who the alleged "developer" was.

People are saying that the website was virtually identical to the one Dean Nolan closed in order to run the ICO so people believe Dean Nolan pocketed that tokens for himself under the guise of paying a "developer" but again because there is no accountability that he has provided means that information cannot be checked and verified. Those allegations and suspicions are still following him around and most people believe tehm to be true because of the screenshots of the Betking website he used to show potential investors when asking for funds in the ICO.

A very strange set-up in the first place and then to have the nerve to write that people should have had due-diligence before investing just does not cut it with me. That is one of the reasons so many people are calling this Betking website a scam.
hero member
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From what I read there has been no statement from Dean Nolan that has shown any sign of remorse for the failed Betking token valuation and buy-back facility. If Dean Nolan has tried to make amends by now holding 70 million of the 100 million Betking tokens then that is a step forward but without knowing the key information about how much an individual paid for the tokens, how much profit (if any) they made and when they sold their tokens what was the net loss investors made. Effectively for every net loss that the investors made it is clear it was always a win-win situation for Dean Nolan who made millions without even investing anything himself and using an already existing betting website to raise ICO funds under the guise of development and bankroll.
Is it confirmed that there are 100,000,000 BKB tokens?

Because the ICO description divides the total bankroll value of $ 6,500,000 with only 70,000,000 BKB tokens leading to the value of $ 0.09286 per token.

Whereas if you divide the $ 6,500,000 total bankroll value with 100,000,000 BKB, the value is only $ 0,065 per token!

So if there are really 100,000,000 BKB tokens, BetKing sold them for 40% more like their real value was!!!

And if such a ponzi scheme crushes, you of course can not get 40% more like its real value on the free market!

legendary
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Man.. investors got royally hosed with this ICO. Basically it all boiled down to which would appreciate better: BK or BTC.

The answer, IMO was pretty obvious right from the get go. IMHO, Dean should just buyback all the tokens, open up the site for classical invest/divest BR model, and collect 35% of the profit. All this ICO money raised and it ended up with some updated UI and some slots. Having investors in site was actually quite profitable as other investors gamble tended to gamble in the past. Remember Road2Wealth? With the investors gone, it's just a bunch of 2 bitcent gamblers left, leaving the site desolate.


I understand what you say. To be clear several of us have pointed that out already and cannot understand why an ICO was needed even though we heard the reasons given.

The only purpose that can be found for an ICO seems to be a way for which Dean Nolan to have raised money. Dean Nolan stated he has given a step by step breakdown to all investors about the expenditure which is clear. I have not yet sent a PM to any investor to ask for that information but I will try to do it within a couple of days. Once I have that information it will become easier to understand where the funds went IF he has it listed and broken down. I am convinced the ICO money that went to pay for "development" went directly to the pockets of Dean Nolan because he already had a working fully functional betting website of which he gave screenshots when trying to raise ICO funds.

From what I read there has been no statement from Dean Nolan that has shown any sign of remorse for the failed Betking token valuation and buy-back facility. If Dean Nolan has tried to make amends by now holding 70 million of the 100 million Betking tokens then that is a step forward but without knowing the key information about how much an individual paid for the tokens, how much profit (if any) they made and when they sold their tokens what was the net loss investors made. Effectively for every net loss that the investors made it is clear it was always a win-win situation for Dean Nolan who made millions without even investing anything himself and using an already existing betting website to raise ICO funds under the guise of development and bankroll.

If Dean Nolan releases information about where the funds were spent and all can be verified I will be the first to thank and congratulate him if investors are shown to be making a profit and those that sold their Betking tokens ended up with a net gain instead of a net loss. I doubt he will do it but hopefully he will prove me wrong. The Betking telegram is more of an announcement channel with little or no information of substance, it does not allow live chat where investors and users can talk to each other. Dean Nolan has locked and unlocked the Betking thread at Bitcointalk when he felt he needed to try to silence those questioning his business ethics (or lack of).

Hopefully he will make public that information after all what is there to hide?
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