Topic: ⚡️⚡️Betplay.io - Lightning Network Casino - INSTANT & ZERO FEE Payments ⚡️⚡️ - page 13. (Read 5361 times)

You have always opened the channel and open the peer, this means 24/7 should be online.

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Hi @Betplay Group, I also find buy crypto option on your deposit page, and the user can buy another altcoin such as ethereum, usdt, ripple and etc. where you send the coin after bought it?, cause I didn't find another altcoin wallet such as btc, doge and ltc in the user wallet.

Is there no minimum deposit for the Lightning network? cause I can't find 5 bits in the option deposit.

Hi Cryptoperkele (Finnish I presume?  )
There is no official roadmap right now, but we are currently working on a VIP level & bonus program that we hope to roll out in a couple of weeks

I'm afraid we don't have any mining and it's not on the roadmap right now anyway.

Are you planning to add "mining" for players to get dividends at some point? I would be interested. Also it seems to be a great marketing trick considering how well others have done with that. Also do you have any public roadmap or community telegram channel?

I don't really have any further details on the Phoenix issue that happens, but I know that the payment team have been talking directly with the Phoenix guys to try and sort it out.

If you enter the same amount in the invoice as in the withdraw then it will work as well. But if they mismatch then the payment will be failed and refunded to your player account.

Will take a look again at Blue Wallet, if not possible to not enter amount then maybe we need to amend the instructions to leave amount open or enter the same amount.

I've used Wallet of Satoshi and BlueWallet too, they all have their pros and cons. Phoenix Wallet needs to be online to receive the payment, and I tried to make it go online several times last night. I think the LN-transaction just has to keep trying for a while.

As for the "unable to find a path" error: I've seen that before when sending a transaction. It would be great if your website can show that message instead of "success", so the user can just try something else.

Custodial wallets use a well-connected node that's online all the time, while Phoenix Wallet needs to actually be online to receive a transaction. And Android probably tries to make it sleep whenever it's on the background. LN is easier to send than receive a transaction as a user.
I tried to use BlueWallet, but I don't think it allows to request a payment without an amount, and your site specifically asks for a payment request without amount specified. Is that really needed, or would a pre-set amount work too? I like how Lightning-Roulette.com does it: I set the amount in my payment request instead of on the site, and they send whatever I requested.

I now used tippin.me to withdraw. That worked.

We are looking at options for sports betting 

Please add sports betting option. And You will be the first sportsbook with lighting payments.

Hi LoyceV
Thank your for testing our the site and giving some really good feedback!

In regards to being first, most sites offering gambling that had lightning only offered one or two games. We don't really consider this to be a casino where you have slots, table games, live casino games, virtual racing etc. I guess you could argue that definition but that's way we see it.

The thought & suggestions are really good; email, wording and max button will be addressed shortly. It would be nice to fully support TOR, we don't have too much experience with it but it might be something we can look at in the near future.

Micro should really be μ as you say, in the games though we can't really control it as it comes from game providers. But on the site we can, so we will change it  

Regarding the LN withdraw, we got an error from our node that it was unable to route the payment ("Unable to find a path to destination"). We have seen this happen a handful of times and it is always when using Phoenix Wallet for withdrawals. I am not sure exactly why, I know the dev team have been in contact with the developers on Phoenix to try and sort it out but so far it still seems to happen. Your withdraw was eventually resolved and money was returned. The routing issue happens after a payment has been approved, which is why you got an approved message but actual funds failed to route. This happens very rarely, but we will look into to trying to make sure the routing was successful before notifying the player in the future.

We never had a routing issue with Wallet of Satoshi or Blue Wallet for instance, so I don't really want to recommed to switch wallet - but they seem to work better for some reason, maybe Phoenix wallet being non-custodial makes routing in to the wallet more complicated  

This isn't true. See Lightning Network Stores for a long list of online casinos that accepted Bitcoin LN before your site existed.
Yours is the first site I've seen that offers Liquid deposits though, but since I've never used it, I can't test it.

Other thoughts/suggestions:

• I like that the site just works in a Tor browser, without captcha. However, in said Tor browser, the BTC-symbol doesn't show:
  
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  ~ up to 50,000 u₿. Withdrawals ~
• In the same browser, the deposit QR-code doesn't work. I've seen the same problem on another site, but I also know a site where it works. It would be great if you can fix this (I only have LN-wallets on mobile, so I had to create a QR-code by myself now)
• Amounts are shown as uBTC and UBTC. The correct name would be μBTC, but "bits" is much more common.
• The email-confirmation for a near-instant LN-deposit is excessive.
• You're asking for "your wallet address", which doesn't really exist in Bitcoin LN. The wording can be improved.
• When withdrawing, a "max"-button would be nice.

I deposited 5 bits, played one round of roulette, won, and wanted to withdraw. I see this:
I'm used to specifying an amount in my payment request, but this seems to work from Phoenix Wallet too.
After withdrawing 7.5 bits, nothing arrived in my wallet, even though the site says it was successful.
I used this LN payment request:
I've never before experienced a "successful" LN-payment that didn't arrive. Can you check this on your end?

Welcome to bitcointalk forum. I'll check it out.

That's good for the casino owner since you will test their site voluntarily compared to paid to test their casino and also good for other people who might get interested trying out the site and they'll know about your review. We all have different likes about a casino so opinions will differ.

Tested out the site and it's really fast and had a good slot selection. LN was instant on both deposit and withdrawal.

Great advise, thank you!

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Great stuff! It's very easy to learn, and once you have, it will make your gaming session a lot quicker, smoother and cheaper!

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You are right, a signature campaign is excellent, especially if the payouts are high, tournaments are also much more attractive, but that is already a matter of how they evaluate it in the team, within the forum when tournaments are organized they are very popular, As Betnomi is currently doing through a great campaign manager, the participation is incredible, Betplay.io has all the possibilities on the table, it is a casino that has great growth every time, whatever they put I´m sure they will succeed.

They can think of contests also among players, that can trigger their interest and stay long on their site.
Because with sig campaign and if you have tight budget, there is no assurance that you will achieve your goals.
Also, are you going to add other coins other than bitcoin?
I know, people are complaining about high fees of btc and now that there is casino using LN, it seems not so much are interested.
Maybe one reason, is not many people are acquainted or comfortable using LN.
So one suggestion is if you can add other alts with cheaper fees like TRX/LTC, if that is possible from your end.

Signature  campaign will only be effective when you have sufficient budget to hire top tier quality poster here since competition is very tough here in the forum for crypto casino industry. Having a good promotion such as free rolland exclusive tournament is much effective to attract real user if you have tight budget. There's a lot of players here that didn't wear signature code from campaign.

Welcome to Bitcointalk.org Forum Guys and I was just checked the site now and this amazed me because My kind is just starting to Learn Lightning Network and while you are accepting this then I'll be trying my chance to learn this.

you have a good improvement when create deposits using Liquid network, some people didn't how it works cause this little bit different from the lightning network. better to you create on FAQ also in the website.

you use (uBTC) or called you-bit btc. I also suggest you add currency setting (uBTC) to another unit such as satoshi to avoid confusion by beginer.

To have a general idea of what a signature campaign look like go check the service section
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=52.0

It's surprising that you have no idea what a signature campaign is all about, you are running a gambling site and you need to market it and signature marketing is part of it, you have to explore it if you have the funds, it's worth it some signature campaigns are already running for over a year now, this is a big proof that it really works.

We will definitely look into it! Thanks for suggestion.

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We are happy to announce support for bitcoin deposits & withdrawals using Liquid Network at Betplay.io. Given the increasing fees and mempool in the main chain we want to offer our users faster & cheaper payment options and seeing how well Bitcoin Lightning is working we think this can be a great complement to that for users who prefer using Liquid instead.

Payments take about 1 minute and fees are quite low. For example, a transfer of 20 uBTC incurred a total fee of 0.2 uBTC which we think is quite good considering the onchain fees right now. 

Lightning payments are still available of course!

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Since you have disabled support for USDT over the Ethereum network, may I suggest you consider introducing USDT over the Tron network. We currently find ourselves in a bull market and to save on transaction fees, using the Tron network seems like a convenient alternative. It would also also fit quite well with your ambition of having a casino where players don't have to lose a great deal of money on network fees. 

At the bottom of the website, you have those three buttons for the Windows, iOS, and Android apps. The problem is, only the Windows logo is clickable. The reason could be that the mobile apps have not been released yet, but just in case they have, I wanted to make you aware that the buttons don't work.