BEWARE of FAKE CASASCIUS COINS - page 9.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 11, 2018, 11:43:46 AM

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Oh... and I have another fake one from same seller on ebay.... can't find listing at the moment Sad

If I dig it out later, I will post a pic of the one I have

Is that any type of fake? It's more of a 'tribute' as anyone who's anyone knows there's no such thing as a gold plated one. It is sort of using the 2011 design but it's also listing itself as new and doesn't have Casascius anywhere in the title or description.

There's tons of them for a couple of dollars so I guess this guy is chancing it but you probably wouldn't be able to claim you were conned.

Yes.... a FAKE not a tribute.
These were made with the pure intention to be sold a "Casascius" coins.
The seller knows that and does not list in title, also, if they did this, they know ebay would pull the listing and make the post a classified-ad
The seller even contacted me wanting to buy holograms so they could sell FAKE coins

And "anyone who's anyone" are the people around here....
The average bitcoiner heard the name or seen the mass media pictures of these coin, but never seen a live one.

Having starting to attend conferences on this topic, I could guarantee I could sell a bunch of these with the average-joe not being the wiser....

Stay informed kids, the waters are getting choppy!!!

Yeah I think even the average bitcoiner can't decide between those fake ones and a real Cas coin. The average Joe who buys stuff on ebay has no chance... Angry

Hope this doesn't hurt the reputation of Cas Coins too much...

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 11, 2018, 11:43:46 AM

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Oh... and I have another fake one from same seller on ebay.... can't find listing at the moment Sad

If I dig it out later, I will post a pic of the one I have

Is that any type of fake? It's more of a 'tribute' as anyone who's anyone knows there's no such thing as a gold plated one. It is sort of using the 2011 design but it's also listing itself as new and doesn't have Casascius anywhere in the title or description.

There's tons of them for a couple of dollars so I guess this guy is chancing it but you probably wouldn't be able to claim you were conned.

Even though this time he is not saying it is a Casascius 2011 physical coin he is implying it was made in 2011. That in itself is misleading too.

And it is the same seller of the other coin that was a good forgery

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Oh... and I have another fake one from same seller on ebay.... can't find listing at the moment Sad

If I dig it out later, I will post a pic of the one I have

Is that any type of fake? It's more of a 'tribute' as anyone who's anyone knows there's no such thing as a gold plated one. It is sort of using the 2011 design but it's also listing itself as new and doesn't have Casascius anywhere in the title or description.

There's tons of them for a couple of dollars so I guess this guy is chancing it but you probably wouldn't be able to claim you were conned.

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Couple scrolls down on reddit after searching for Casascius. Surprised no one had seen this after 4 years.

They're well known but rarely mentioned. That's primarily because they're utterly shit so don't need any consideration in this matter. I wonder whether the makers of those holograms ever looked at a real one.

Completely forgot about these. In the encyclopedia too.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on April 09, 2018, 07:14:59 PM

Couple scrolls down on reddit after searching for Casascius. Surprised no one had seen this after 4 years.

They're well known but rarely mentioned. That's primarily because they're utterly shit so don't need any consideration in this matter. I wonder whether the makers of those holograms ever looked at a real one.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on April 09, 2018, 07:04:02 PM

And from Mike Caldwells wordpress info....

i was sent the following photo of some hologram labels bearing the Casascius name. These labels are counterfeit and unauthorized. They appear to mimic the spelling error from the Series 1 coins. They use a different type face for the main Casascius as well as a slightly different B-logo shape. My series 1 coins also use a dot-matrix-style printing with fixed-width characters, rather than the solid characters in a proportional font that appear in this photo. Please beware!

https://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/possible-counterfeits-to-be-aware-of/

Couple scrolls down on reddit after searching for Casascius. Surprised no one had seen this after 4 years.

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And from Mike Caldwells wordpress info....

i was sent the following photo of some hologram labels bearing the Casascius name. These labels are counterfeit and unauthorized. They appear to mimic the spelling error from the Series 1 coins. They use a different type face for the main Casascius as well as a slightly different B-logo shape. My series 1 coins also use a dot-matrix-style printing with fixed-width characters, rather than the solid characters in a proportional font that appear in this photo. Please beware!

https://casascius.wordpress.com/2013/12/10/possible-counterfeits-to-be-aware-of/

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 09, 2018, 06:34:29 PM

Quote from: krogothmanhattan on April 09, 2018, 06:19:32 PM

It might be clear for people like us who have handled Casascius coins and been around them for years...but for the novice newbie and yes some experienced collectors they can be fooled.

   I know for a fact at least one person that bid on it that thought it was genuine because he didnt look hard enough. So yes sometimes the experienced user can make the mistake of thinking it is genuine.

   Just because the color is not the same can be blamed on the patina build up thru time too

I've got one that never attempted to pass itself off as a real one. It's pretty similar to that one pictured. In both cases their castings are much more sharply delineated than the real thing.

It's not too huge a leap for a forger to do something to address that and then it's going to be tricky.

Yes its just a matter of time before they nail this. Same goes for loaded cas coins with holo. Provenance and proof is going to be key in the event these things do happen when it will be impossible to distinguish the genuine from the fake coin.

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Quote from: krogothmanhattan on April 09, 2018, 06:19:32 PM

It might be clear for people like us who have handled Casascius coins and been around them for years...but for the novice newbie and yes some experienced collectors they can be fooled.

   I know for a fact at least one person that bid on it that thought it was genuine because he didnt look hard enough. So yes sometimes the experienced user can make the mistake of thinking it is genuine.

   Just because the color is not the same can be blamed on the patina build up thru time too

I've got one that never attempted to pass itself off as a real one. It's pretty similar to that one pictured. In both cases their castings are much more sharply delineated than the real thing.

It's not too huge a leap for a forger to do something to address that and then it's going to be tricky.

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Quote from: gentlemand on April 09, 2018, 12:08:39 PM

It quite clearly is not the same as an original, but a bit of rubbing might sort that out. I've said it before, but it's only a matter of time before the truly indistinguishable fakes arrive. Look at the amount of work that goes into fake Bose headphones for a return of $10-100. Much less effort with one of these could net you $10,000 a time before the market craters completely.

I can well imagine it being borderline impossible to sell any of them in future without some documented history, and even then many won't be inclined to take the chance.

It might be clear for people like us who have handled Casascius coins and been around them for years...but for the novice newbie and yes some experienced collectors they can be fooled.

I know for a fact at least one person that bid on it that thought it was genuine because he didnt look hard enough. So yes sometimes the experienced user can make the mistake of thinking it is genuine.

Just because the color is not the same can be blamed on the patina build up thru time too

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Quote from: naypalm on April 09, 2018, 05:33:47 PM

Thank you for posting this. I've added a link to this post on the top of the casascius analyzer.

Good thinking Naypalm! The world needs to know. Let us all stay vigilante on any others!

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Thank you for posting this. I've added a link to this post on the top of the casascius analyzer.

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It quite clearly is not the same as an original, but a bit of rubbing might sort that out. I've said it before, but it's only a matter of time before the truly indistinguishable fakes arrive. Look at the amount of work that goes into fake Bose headphones for a return of $10-100. Much less effort with one of these could net you $10,000 a time before the market craters completely.

I can well imagine it being borderline impossible to sell any of them in future without some documented history, and even then many won't be inclined to take the chance.

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Quote from: Hellot on April 06, 2018, 02:42:42 PM

I think if someone was going to try and scam a loaded one, they would be buying up peeled coins and using those.

They can probably have 1,000 fakes made with holograms cheaper than buying a peeled one.

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Quote from: Hellot on April 06, 2018, 02:42:42 PM

ANACS does not authenticate crypto coins. They only evaluate the condition and wear.

I think if someone was going to try and scam a loaded one, they would be buying up peeled coins and using those.

They’ll even do it for a poker chip! How do you grade a clay chip?! My point is more so to prove how little weight they hold in the numismatics world or for their own good name.

China can fake anything and everything for nothing and do it well. Real Cas coins are too expensive spent or not.

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Quote from: chronicsky on April 06, 2018, 03:16:36 PM

the similarity is surprising

need to be very careful while buying brass casascius or any other loaded/high value coin

Though the picture of fake cas is kind of blurry, did you find it somewhere or clicked yourself?

Yes the fake is surprisingly well done.

Its the photo the used to sell it on Ebay.

So thats the best pic I have of it Sky

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the similarity is surprising

need to be very careful while buying brass casascius or any other loaded/high value coin

Though the picture of fake cas is kind of blurry, did you find it somewhere or clicked yourself?

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ANACS does not authenticate crypto coins. They only evaluate the condition and wear.

I think if someone was going to try and scam a loaded one, they would be buying up peeled coins and using those.

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Have to rely on you Casascius collectors, the photos in the Encyclopedia are not high resolution. I stay away from eBay never bought a collectible there. @Kialara says he will auction two Ruby Labyrinths on eBay though that should be fun to follow.

I bought a few silvers there graded which eliminates fakes plus you can get scammed anywhere, knowing and or seeing your sellers past reputation helps too. I was wondering when these cas fakes might start showing up, happens in every market. Morgan Dollars and China Kwangtung silver Dragon dollar have been the ones I dealt with mostly as fakes. You get where you can tell a fake in a sec after a while.. just a different look along with less detail.

My money says if you sent this fake to ANACS it’d get graded.

lol, that would completely destroy their reputation though. If you can fool a so called expert then your not an expert

I use to keep a 10x to 16x loop with me for years to look a coins just in case. I would think those graders do the same but I dunno

That’s exactly why we all hate them. We get how pathetic they are. They graded a fake Sol which is simple to spot.

Edit- not to mention no real coin collectors taken them seriously right now. They are surviving the same way Spirit Airlines are. No one likes Spirit but they’re still in business

yep wow Im an NGC PCGS buyer most my life... I thought Spirit was gone lol... I miss seeing TWA thought they were cool, love the old posters they are very collectible now, the NY poster goes for over $2k now the Orient $500 to $700

and thanks for posting this too Krogothmanhattan <----- I miss spelled that about four time lol OMG make it five

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