BFL ASIC seized by EU , european & german Customs

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In the German BFL forum some people said the shipment came without invoice, so I expected the same. Even more so as my order was removed from my account page after shipping and I could not print an invoice myself.

Usually at the customs they keep the invoice and you don't get to see it, you will receive the box without it.
The one I posted above they somehow forgot about it and left on the package.

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Quote from: philips on July 09, 2013, 06:47:50 AM

There is a sticker yes, and a folded page in a plastic bag attached to the package.
Whatever you want to call that piece of paper, the customs officer referred to as an invoice and use it to calculate the taxes I paid.

Besides, it says right on top of it: COMMERCIAL INVOICE.

http://imageshack.us/a/img853/4759/g3.jpg

I am curious, what made you think that there is no commercial invoice outside or inside the package ?

Whoops. Okay, maybe I'll have to take a close look at the package again this afternoon.

In the German BFL forum some people said the shipment came without invoice, so I expected the same. Even more so as my order was removed from my account page after shipping and I could not print an invoice myself.

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UK has a new import duty most here do not yet realise.

If an item is purchased from outside the EU you pay;

+20% VAT and £8 ransom to have your goods released after they get round to telling you they have them ~10 days.

Now you pay an additional 9% duty on top of the VAT inclusive price for items amused over £135.

Basically it's now +31% and a further £8 ransom.

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Quote from: Cluster2k on July 09, 2013, 08:49:52 AM

Australia has a $1000 tax free threshold on imports (local retail sector is screaming for it to be lowered to, lol, $20) so I was careful to order just enough upgraded Jalapenos to not breach the limit.

In Germany you may import taxfree upto 22€ ... (45€ if it is a gift from a person) ... So what the retailers what is not that unrealistic unfortunately.

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Bite me

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/tag/ce-compliance
will tell you some of the types of stuff you have to go though

but mostly it's about em-emissions that will cripple you

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Australian Customs will take the "value" of the item being the value plus the shipping cost. Years ago when I received a package from Hong Kong that was sold on eBay the Customs guy actually went online to check the item's price and added on the shipping costs before calculating GST. Then added around $60 in Customs duty on top.

Australia has a $1000 tax free threshold on imports (local retail sector is screaming for it to be lowered to, lol, $20) so I was careful to order just enough upgraded Jalapenos to not breach the limit.

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Hodl!

Quote from: petitcafe on July 09, 2013, 06:32:25 AM

Shipping costs, for example, are not shown on the declaration.

Ugh, they take more tax on shipping costs? That's nasty, because if they're feeling a bit broke, all they have to do is start excessively delaying cheaper shipping methods so people use more expensive ones. Angry

philips

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There is a sticker yes, and a folded page in a plastic bag attached to the package.
Whatever you want to call that piece of paper, the customs officer referred to as an invoice and use it to calculate the taxes I paid.

Besides, it says right on top of it: COMMERCIAL INVOICE.

I am curious, what made you think that there is no commercial invoice outside or inside the package ?

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Quote from: philips on July 09, 2013, 06:20:19 AM

Quote from: petitcafe on July 09, 2013, 05:54:39 AM

Quote from: SolarSilver on July 08, 2013, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

Avalon shipped 900 units and they were clever enough to have the right wording on the commercial invoice.

BFL does not even provide a commercial invoice outside or inside the package. That practically guarantees that orders are held up in Germany, and customs at least want you to bring in an invoice or transaction documents like a Paypal printout or something. Noone in Germany will have their ASICs delivered to their doorstep because of this.

They do provide the invoice outside the package.

The sticker on the outside is just a customs declaration and not sufficient for german customs to calculate tax. Shipping costs, for example, are not shown on the declaration.

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Quote from: SolarSilver on July 08, 2013, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

German customs is doing spot checks and stops packages that are not compliant to local German laws.

Some of the violations for import are: not providing a German manual (Fehlende deutsche Anleitung) and not have the correct regulatory papers and stickers like CE & ROHS (Konformitätserklärung von Hersteller)

All of this was predicted last year when Josh attacked the other ASIC vendors of not having the FCC and CE compliance. BFL was going to quickly rush their almost finished product and have all the needed paperwork "in two weeks". We are 8 months later and no paperwork and guess who's shipments get confiscated and blocked at borders?

And it'll get worse. The more they find those things in spot checks the more they will be actively looking for them. With the missing CE thingy it might even begin to affect other European States, because the different national customs agencies talk to each other. It takes a while but they do talk.

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Quote from: petitcafe on July 09, 2013, 05:54:39 AM

Quote from: SolarSilver on July 08, 2013, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

Avalon shipped 900 units and they were clever enough to have the right wording on the commercial invoice.

BFL does not even provide a commercial invoice outside or inside the package. That practically guarantees that orders are held up in Germany, and customs at least want you to bring in an invoice or transaction documents like a Paypal printout or something. Noone in Germany will have their ASICs delivered to their doorstep because of this.

They do provide the invoice outside the package.

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Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Quote from: zyyz on July 08, 2013, 05:46:33 AM

and it happend again :

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/deutsch-german/3184-zoll-und-mehrwertssteuer-fuer-lieferung-2.html#post46131

:/

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

Gist: More and more users (Bombe, M_Myers, ...) are complaining that their BFL shipments are stopped & kept at German customs because of missing paperwork and missing conformity markings.

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Quote from: SolarSilver on July 08, 2013, 09:29:30 AM

Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

Avalon shipped 900 units and they were clever enough to have the right wording on the commercial invoice.

BFL does not even provide a commercial invoice outside or inside the package. That practically guarantees that orders are held up in Germany, and customs at least want you to bring in an invoice or transaction documents like a Paypal printout or something. Noone in Germany will have their ASICs delivered to their doorstep because of this.

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Quote from: Loredo on July 08, 2013, 09:09:56 AM

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

German customs is doing spot checks and stops packages that are not compliant to local German laws.

Some of the violations for import are: not providing a German manual (Fehlende deutsche Anleitung) and not have the correct regulatory papers and stickers like CE & ROHS (Konformitätserklärung von Hersteller)

All of this was predicted last year when Josh attacked the other ASIC vendors of not having the FCC and CE compliance. BFL was going to quickly rush their almost finished product and have all the needed paperwork "in two weeks". We are 8 months later and no paperwork and guess who's shipments get confiscated and blocked at borders?

Avalon shipped 900 units and they were clever enough to have the right wording on the commercial invoice.

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Quote from: zyyz on July 08, 2013, 05:46:33 AM

and it happend again :

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/deutsch-german/3184-zoll-und-mehrwertssteuer-fuer-lieferung-2.html#post46131

:/

Would it be too much to ask you to provide the gist of the German-thread, or, even explain what "it" refers to above?

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Flashman,

I hope you realize that if by september, you don't already have your ASIC you will not be making the ROI in a year from that point onwards.

Unless Bitcoin shoots through the roof (and assuming your paid in USD) then it will be very hard for that ROI to happen.

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Hodl!

Quote from: Unacceptable on July 07, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

Uh,the 90 day window to fulfill ALL preorders up to May has been moved to Sept from Aug...............imagine that Roll Eyes

Last reliable Josh quote said all orders to DATE in Sept.

So it couldn't at all be because they are getting a crapload more orders in because they are the only ASIC manufacturer currently in continuous production and shipping mode with a price that has any chance of ROI.... because that wouldn't make sense... because you all here know that they only pretended to make a product to send to just ~~10, 20, 50, 100, 200, 500,~~ 1000 shills

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and it happend again :

https://forums.butterflylabs.com/deutsch-german/3184-zoll-und-mehrwertssteuer-fuer-lieferung-2.html#post46131

:/

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Quote from: smoothie on July 08, 2013, 03:02:09 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on July 07, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

Uh,the 90 day window to fulfill ALL preorders up to May has been moved to Sept from Aug...............imagine that Roll Eyes

Link?

Probably related to:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252072.new

?

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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

Quote from: Unacceptable on July 07, 2013, 10:00:14 PM

Quote from: smoothie on July 07, 2013, 08:12:22 PM

All I can say is...wow...

I'm curious what other screw ups or delays will be coming in the next weeks and months through BFL. They seem to make every possible mistake imaginable as an ASIC business.

Uh,the 90 day window to fulfill ALL preorders up to May has been moved to Sept from Aug...............imagine that Roll Eyes

Link?

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