Topic: BFL board project COINTAMINATION - EU facility - ORDERS OPENED for Chili - page 35. (Read 73063 times)

Yes very nice

Hello

I just want to clear a few things up here, based on some PM's I received.

One thing is I have not made any profit, or received a single bitcent from this group buy thing.

This is something I had nothing to do with what so ever.


However: If you are a North American customer, and you were involved in the group buy and received some sort of discount I will honor your coupons.

If you are not a north American Customer you will be going through lucko to buy your boards, and he is certainly welcome to charge less money for his boards if God Bless him, he can find a way to make a profit here.

Also everyone is up in arms because I guesstimated that I am making a profit of less than $100 per board which apparently to some is a staggering amount, please key in on the word "less than" and not on $100 - when all is said and done, I add in logistics, shipping costs, , the money I paid just for the rights to this design, my own time and headache  the profit is much much much less. So in reality if you count the money I have already spent on this development process it is very likely I will not make any profit at all.

The main reason I got involved at all is because I have a lot of BFL chips coming, and I wanted to support the project that I thought had the most promise.

Also I had someone suggest buying a cheaper fan. You are welcome to save some money by designing your own cooling system, however you are going to have a very hard time cooling 16 chips with anything less than a very high end fan. A cheap $5 fan is not going to work here.

These boards are being made in very small batches at a time and in the USA, this is not a cheap process,

Please also understand this includes a 5 day build time because personally I think it makes more sense to spend a little extra now and get the units hashing sooner than later. However if you want a 10 or 15 day build time I can lower the price for you.




I hope this clears everything up and I wont get any more angry PM's

-JJ

Yes and when it arrives it will work, with all 16 chips hashing.

I'd value the mounting of 16! chips alone at $100-200

I was the one writing 300$ but not just 300$. I was talking 300$ to 450$... But that didn't calculate in some problems we had at the end stage... If we could make boards in hi numbers a had of time it would work but we can't(adding chips is just to hard). I was calculating that with 100 boards made at one time with lead time 14 days. And that will not happen. We will never had 1600 chips at one time I guess and lead time 14 days. So that was my mistake...

If you don't feel comfortable with BTC then don't invest anything into this project, or BTC at all. Buy some gold you can hide under the pillow.

How can you expect the BTC economy to get bigger, if no-one feels 'comfortable with it'? 
My advise to you is, get the BTC now, so you can send them to JJ when he is ready and your chips arrived!
You still have at least a couple of weeks lead time. Get comfortable with it!!! 

    one4many

JJ -

Although $600 is far from the original board estimate of ~$300 that was getting thrown around near the start of this thread (I cant even be sure you were actually the one who quoted such a price) I honestly have no issue with your pricing. Although this is a fun and exciting hobby you obviously aren't manufacturing these boards just for leisure.

My issue is that payment is only accepted in Bitcoin. I am aware there are many outlets through which one can purchase BTC, however, some people simply aren't all that comfortable doing so. Do you have any plans in the future for other payment options?

Thanks!

Just to address this issue of price, I want it to be known that our profit margin is extremely slim.

From the gold trace 4 layer PCB's to the $40 top of the line fan on the cooling system we did not skimp anywhere.

Not to mention the fact these boards are assembled in the USA, and include free express usps overnight shipping.

You might be able to manufacture these boards slightly cheaper than we are but they would have to be done in another country and with cheaper parts.

for $600 your getting an extremely well made product, with a 5 day build time.

If anyone is interested in 10 or 15 day build times I may be able to lower the price a little.

Thats the only way to get the price down, either that or a huge order at one time, but as we all know time is of the essence.

These boards cost me almost $400 each assembled and that is before the cooling system parts, and the time spent to load firmware , package and ship them out. When all is said in done we are making less than $100 profit per board, we are not doing this to get rich, we are doing it to provide a solution to the community to utilize these BFL chips in the best fashion possible. I have personallly purchased hundreds of these chips and have my own stake in this.

I hope this clears some mis-conceptions up.

If someone claims they can make these boards for $200-$300 they dont know what they are talking about. Sure I can provide a cheap PCB and use the lowest priced cheap chinese parts and assembly and save some money but your units wont hash long enough to even ROI in that scenario plus you will have to wait longer to get the unit which threaten ROI even further.


For people outside North America - you will need to talk to your sales rep Lucko about his assembly plant at what they can offer you.

thanks for listening!
-JJ



btw: for the cooling system we use these heatsinks

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/18193/
(one over each cluster of chips)

and this fan which is distance bolted over the whole thing:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8147/fan-500/Delta_Mega_Fast_120mm_x_38mm_Fan_-_252_CFM_-_Bare_Lead_PFB1212UHE-F00.html?tl=g36c15s562

we even put little "feet" on the boards like this:
http://de.farnell.com/hammond/1421t2/feet-stick-on-pk24/dp/1876514

$300 for 8 chip
$600 for 16 chip

The boards may be different but the parts and labour are similar prices

Unless you can buy hundreds of boards the price will not change

Right now they're the only game in town.  Hopefully MrTeal and chriss99 will follow shortly but $240-$300 looks like it will be the going price for installing 8 chips on a board, at least initially.  Nice to see BFL shipping chips on schedule though.

$599 is quite expensive, I reliaze you need to make a profit but not $300 worth.

Its all about timing, and beating the difficulty rises, My first generation Avalons paid for themselves in 5 days.

I will have the first cointamination boards that were manufactured in a factory by wednesday the 25th and will post results once they are hashing away. If you have BFL chips coming let me know we can get you in on a 5 day build time at my west coast assembly facility.
Complete cost including board, chip mounting, and cooling system is $599.99 paid in Bitcoins. This includes free express shipping.

If you have chips in hand or on the way I wouldn't wait I would get the assembly process started.

-JJ

I'm always looking for new hardware.
What do you recommend for boards $10/Gh or less, shipping before the end of November?

OK so today results...

Hand-soldered board shows that there are no electrical problems. Board is hashing. But for full 16 chip board we will have to wait for next week for the assembly-factory results to get the final clearance. Methods like hand-soldering throw vias, using hot plate, 2000€ reflow oven or hot air to mount chips whit this board looks to be much harder then on Coinado prototype...

So it looks like anyone who has planed to do it by hand and dose not have hi end reflow with air below and above can forget about it... He will end up with hi numbers of destroyed chips.

I've bought chips from orders placed on 16-June and 18-June (not my orders, I just bought chips from the order holders.)  In theory they ought to be arriving soon, though I have not yet heard word from either.

I'm in the US.

I will of course be wanting to put them right onto boards.

The "genesis block" costing sheet indicates that boards of $20/Ghs will be returning on investment if they start mining before the middle of November.
 They will be "mined out" by March unless the price of BTc rises.

So no get rich here. But probably ROI.

I have recently looked at the BFL Monarch board. If this ships in December then It may just ROI. If it ships End of January onwards then it will need a massive Increase in the value of BTc to survive.

Mine bitcoins for the hobby of doing it, not the profit.

  If you do make a profit you can "maybe" just about re-invest it in the next generation of miners.

I'd encourage you to let 'em be.  

If they're happy with boards at $20/GH, then more power to them.  The bitcoins may not come flooding in by the time the boards are running, but they'll come in at some rate, and participation in the network is -or should be- its own reward.

Also, while dwdoc has received his chips, it looks like some of the group buys have shipping date around the 30th.  It's really too early to put the post-game show up yet. 

Just to note we also have boards being assembled in our US assembly facility, which will ship on 09/24

Here we have state of the art pick and place machine and industrial level equipment and will not run into the problem lucko described above

Form is very talented engineer but doing this by hand is extremely difficult even for the most talented of hands.

Weather form succeeds or not (I hope he does!) we will have professionally assembled production boards hashing away next week, either way.

-JJ

Hi Lucko

I was expecting chip delivery comments on "BFL Jody blog".
I thought they would have made an announcement seeing as they are on time and on price with these chips.

All we need now is for form to have a "good day" today with his boards and chips, then COINTAMINATION is live and public.

Thanks in advance

We have waited 100 days for this to happen. Do you have to try and spoil it.............
If you are in it ............Enjoy.............
If you are on the outside............Tough..........Back of and cry in your dark little corner