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Quote from: Mudbankkeith on October 09, 2013, 06:26:15 PM

Quote from: Lucko on October 09, 2013, 06:05:13 PM

Still same as in yesterday email update... But I thought I got a good news today. Got mail from BFL that my order was shipped... But it was just my Jala... I will let you know the moment anything changes...

The "Jody Blog" indicates that they are catching up on device deliveries.

On the BFL home page earlier, I notice they have dropped the little single from the sales list.
Edit:- so when the back orders are complete, it's gone.

I'm gonna own a piece of history! Cheesy

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Quote from: Lucko on October 09, 2013, 06:05:13 PM

Still same as in yesterday email update... But I thought I got a good news today. Got mail from BFL that my order was shipped... But it was just my Jala... I will let you know the moment anything changes...

The "Jody Blog" indicates that they are catching up on device deliveries.

On the BFL home page earlier, I notice they have dropped the little single from the sales list.
Edit:- so when the back orders are complete, it's gone.

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Still same as in yesterday email update... But I thought I got a good news today. Got mail from BFL that my order was shipped... But it was just my Jala... I will let you know the moment anything changes...

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Hi Lucko form, JJ

How is the project progressing?

Batch 1 chips must be very close now.

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Quote from: Mudbankkeith on October 09, 2013, 05:19:38 PM

The alternative is to buy a 60Gh single from BFL for twice the price and wait another 3 months for it to be delivered.
Edit:- Its now 50Gh. If you need 8chip device from BFL then hard luck they have dropped it from the range.

It is only firmware 1.2.9 that has an option to limit it to 50GH. So you have to flesh it and void warranty... It also probably has a future of cooling power supply that is overloaded...

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Quote from: Lucko on October 09, 2013, 04:42:18 PM

Quote from: djjacket on October 09, 2013, 04:01:15 PM

My 2 cents on this...

I think what Lucko is trying to say is that the costs are the costs. This is a small volume product and thus the production costs are high. They are not doing this as a commercial venture and should also be compensated for the time and effort they have put into this. Small volume electronic assembly is very expensive. If anything, the chips are the overpriced piece that is keeping from ROI and that is beyond Lucko and team's control.

Right on the money... We used more then 10.000$ for this. We end up buying samples since there were no donations and that is now seen on the price. And creating 6 to 10 boards at the time is a sample size and it cost accordingly... But waiting for 1000 chips is also not an option... And we did target bigger number if chips per board to get costs down... Assembly and board cost are about the same if it is 1 or 16 chip board. The only difference are power parts. We could use lower price but they are less efficient... Other way would be to sell uncomplicated board like others that say you need to buy cooling yourself... But at the end you end up with same or higher price with full board. Less then full there are some difference yes...

The alternative is to buy a 60Gh single from BFL for twice the price and wait another 3 months for it to be delivered.
Edit:- Its now 50Gh. If you need 8chip device from BFL then hard luck they have dropped it from the range.

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Quote from: djjacket on October 09, 2013, 04:01:15 PM

My 2 cents on this...

I think what Lucko is trying to say is that the costs are the costs. This is a small volume product and thus the production costs are high. They are not doing this as a commercial venture and should also be compensated for the time and effort they have put into this. Small volume electronic assembly is very expensive. If anything, the chips are the overpriced piece that is keeping from ROI and that is beyond Lucko and team's control.

Right on the money... We used more then 10.000$ for this. We end up buying samples since there were no donations and that is now seen on the price. And creating 6 to 10 boards at the time is a sample size and it cost accordingly... But waiting for 1000 chips is also not an option... And we did target bigger number of chips per board to get costs down... Assembly and board cost are about the same if it is 1 or 16 chip board. The only difference are power parts. We could use lower price but they are less efficient... Other way would be to sell uncomplicated board like others that say you need to buy cooling yourself... But at the end you end up with same or higher price with full board. Less then full there are some difference yes...

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Quote from: gateway on October 09, 2013, 02:41:07 PM

Quote from: Lucko on October 09, 2013, 12:11:41 AM

Quote from: gateway on October 08, 2013, 04:35:35 PM

So not following the ROI logic here..

No. Following the cost of components and assembly and price of development...

So I should purchase the board to not be able to get back my ROI?

My 2 cents on this...

I think what Lucko is trying to say is that the costs are the costs. This is a small volume product and thus the production costs are high. They are not doing this as a commercial venture and should also be compensated for the time and effort they have put into this. Small volume electronic assembly is very expensive. If anything, the chips are the overpriced piece that is keeping from ROI and that is beyond Lucko and team's control.

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Quote from: Lucko on October 09, 2013, 12:11:41 AM

Quote from: gateway on October 08, 2013, 04:35:35 PM

So not following the ROI logic here..

No. Following the cost of components and assembly and price of development...

So I should purchase the board to not be able to get back my ROI?

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Depends on a lot of facts. Number of chips your location... Can you pm me that data...

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i am getting my chips sometimes this week or next week
i will have 8 chips

how can i order a board or send my chips and have them assembled

and what will be my total cost?

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Quote from: gateway on October 08, 2013, 04:35:35 PM

So not following the ROI logic here..

No. Following the cost of components and assembly and price of development...

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Quote from: gateway on October 08, 2013, 10:20:37 AM

Anyone know the price for a 8 chip version of the board?

8 chip would cost about 70$ less. About 35$ for every 4 chips that you take off.
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So not following the ROI logic here..

8 chips where around $600 give or take..
8 chip board with from you guys $530

Total $1130 give or take , minus shipping etc..
Give or take around 32 Gh/s at 4Gh/s a chip.. im sure u can squeeze more but...

The expected generation output, at 32 Ghps, given current difficulty of 189281249.28103 , is 0.0850229705821 BTC per day and 0.00354262377425 BTC per hour.

so about .085 per day.. which is about $10.6 a day.. so with no changes in diff that's only $318 per month..

The math for the price of your board just doesn't seem to add up for ROI?

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BFL Chips for auction here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bfl-asic-chips-in-hand-307987

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Quote from: Mudbankkeith on October 08, 2013, 09:54:11 AM

Hi Lucko & form

Can you modify a cut down coinado board with a ZIF type socket to test the chips?

I was thinking about that. But we know chips are the problem. form desolder them rearrange them and same worked. So even in unlikely event of board defect that would not happen.

I was looking for a socket to test them but I can't find one with good enough lead time and price...

Quote from: gateway on October 08, 2013, 10:20:37 AM

Anyone know the price for a 8 chip version of the board?

8 chip would cost about 70$ less. About 35$ for every 4 chips that you take off.

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Anyone know the price for a 8 chip version of the board?

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Hi Lucko & form

Can you modify a cut down coinado board with a ZIF type socket to test the chips?

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Luke-Jr just manage to program firmware. It was just hardware and software problem... Now FTDI... We need to find program that works with Linux. But board have chips from defective batch Sad

so it might not have a lot or any chips working... But still hoping for the best...

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I still have 48 chips left for sale from my June 22nd order of 128 chips.

I'll be getting them today or tomorrow.

I'm selling them for BTC5.5 for 16 chips. Shipping included to anywhere in the world.

They are priced to sell at ~$40/chip, below BFL price (with chip credits factored in)

PM me if you are interested.

Thanks,
af_newbie

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Quote from: GrapeApe on October 07, 2013, 09:18:08 AM

The forum is back and I need my news fix. Did Form get the board assembled and hashing? Have you received the batch 1 chips yet? Did you get notice about delivery of batch 2? I was considering bombarding you guys with a bunch of questions but I'll leave it at that...

Just notice that forum is back...

form got his board but only 1 chip was working. He did a lot of test and figure out that we have crappy samples. So it is highly unlikely we had a problem with soldering in the first place. form had 9 chips from one batch of samples and the rest of the chips from other. It looks like all chips from that second batch are dead...

He tested that by taking board apart and put it back together knowing where are good chips. And good chips did work again. The rest did not. So we can say with hi possibility samples we have are dead...

Now we can't show you 16 chip working board but we can show you 8 chips board.

Luke-Jr has his board and form and him are programming it right now. It is hard to say what is the problem at the moment. He is using difrent hardware and software so it might be problem with that.

Batch 1. No news from BFL. But it should be any day now... If I don't see mail tomorrow I will asked BFL...

No notice of batch 2...

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