BFL Downgraded my shipping?! - page 8.

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Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 01:19:29 PM

Plaintiffs in a class action sometimes do recover things of value, although I agree usually plaintiff's attorneys receive way more than is "fair."

To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?

I'm still trying to figure out what the basis would be? Sue them over what? Then what remedy would you request from the court?

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Plaintiffs in a class action sometimes do recover things of value, although I agree usually plaintiff's attorneys receive way more than is "fair."

To determine if there is any action against BFL I would think you'd need to see what BFL's representations were when people were placing their pre-orders. Was there any contract etc. as well?

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Quote from: Jcw188 on May 02, 2013, 10:25:00 PM

I have been following this bfl stuff for a month now. Reading what has gone on really worried me...that anyone who would do any preorder with them now has got to be crazy. Now this shipping thing, it's like they are really pulling out all the stops to get as much money as possible. I realize a lot of u r hoping the company comes through but u basically all got ripped off. I'm a lawyer and u absolutely have a class action suit against them...which surely would just put them out of business. Anyways just be careful guys don't get blinded by greed.

I'm also like a lawyer an shit. I'll beat the shit out of anyone in court. I'm like the baddest lawyer in the hood, and I'm keeping it real.

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Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 12:15:15 PM

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

What exactly you are trying to claim for damages in this hypothetical lawsuit?

BFL honours refunds, plain and simple. There is not one single person who can verifiably say they didn't get a refund so you can't claim they didn't refund you. Pain and suffering? That's a joke and you would get laughed out of court. Missed opportunity to profit on the coins you didn't mine if you had had them when they promised? Again, unprovable and discussed ad nauseum elsewhere. No leg to stand on.

It's a pre-order, in development, common sense is that you wait until it's done or get your refund.

This discussion is ridiculous.

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Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 12:15:15 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 03, 2013, 09:39:19 AM

Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 09:34:45 AM

I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Thought exercise, you know ? Wink

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

You also fail to mention that the class members end up with essentially NOTHING as the lawyers take half of the judgement, and then the rest of it is usually divvied up among the actual plantiffs. The majority of the people talking about lawsuits would not be members of the class anyway, since they didn't buy anything. Those who did buy something have the choice of requesting a refund, or waiting for their product.

All of the sensible buyers have done that. With the exception of a few special-kind-of-idiot types, the only people who are still trolling BFL with lawsuit threats are people who never bought anything in the first place. And then, of course an occasional ambulance chasers, or troll claiming to be an ambulance chaser...

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 03, 2013, 09:39:19 AM

Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 09:34:45 AM

I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Thought exercise, you know ? Wink

Generally in a lawsuit the plaintiffs (that would be you) don't have to pay anything upfront. It's at the end that the plaintiff's attorneys would get paid out of any proceeds from the recovery. Therefore your only cost would be time and energy (and perhaps some notoriety?) The hardest thing would be finding a lawyer who would be willing to take on this case, as it's somewhat complicated. I'm actually surprised a lawyer hasn't tried contacting some of you BFL customers before. I mean maybe they have, and I just don't know about it. I'm new to the Bitcoin community.

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Is standard shipping on my order status = priority mail (in US) ?

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Quote from: Inaba on May 03, 2013, 10:39:55 AM

When people were imported into the new system, everyone was put in express shipping. Express shipping wasn't available prior to February, so everyone has been moved back to where they should have been. No ones shipping was downgraded.

My shipping is priority mail as stated in my order's email, if "Standard Shipping - Only" is the priority mail that's cool.

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When people were imported into the new system, everyone was put in express shipping. Express shipping wasn't available prior to February, so everyone has been moved back to where they should have been. No ones shipping was downgraded.

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This is an upside. Some people will not pay the additional fee, and all that hashing power will be delayed coming onto the network. ;-)

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My express shipping also got downgraded to standard , it seems to be accross the board , ridiculous ... is anyone's order still showing the express shipping without having to pay up insane amounts ?

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 03, 2013, 09:39:19 AM

Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 09:34:45 AM

I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Thought exercise, you know ? Wink

I am not speaking for him, but just wanted to point out something. First you reference a "class action suit," which is a civil action, and then use the term "prosecution" which is a criminal action. I would not be surprised to see both at some point, but you need to be clear which answer you are looking for.

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Quote from: Jcw188 on May 03, 2013, 09:34:45 AM

I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.

Hypothetically speaking, in your professional opinion, what would the costs be involved for a class-action suit, and what would your case/stance be for prosecution ?

Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Thought exercise, you know ? Wink

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I was typing on an iPod. Guys, I wasn't typing a legal pleading here I was posting on a board. Interesting that I was attacked for my grammar though. I guess Inaba didn't like what I said and just attacked my grammar to "discredit" me. I am really surprised that BFL has kept it going this long, but sounds like Paypal and Amex are finally putting the pressure on. We'll see what happens, maybe not today, or tomorrow, but eventually I doubt this will end well.

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Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 10:33:01 PM

Yeah, you're a lawyer that uses "u" and "r" in the place of words and your grammar is atrocious. Sure, we believe you... no really.

I think he is full of it as well, but I know plenty of lawyers who type that way. It is unreal.

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Inaba/BFL Pattern #1:

Make a truthful statement exposing a fact about BFL's actions that customers/community do not like.

Get a response of "You can't spell, fuck you, lying piece of shit, ROFL LOL, ..."

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Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 10:33:01 PM

Yeah, you're a lawyer that uses "u" and "r" in the place of words and your grammar is atrocious. Sure, we believe you... no really.

... and you are the competent and experienced CTO and COO of a company that acts in a professional manner or knows what they are doing ? Sure, we believe you... no really.

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I too had my shipping changed from "Express" to "Standard". It has been like that for months and noticed it was changed this week. What bs are they trying to pull here? I even sent them a ticket about it. I don't care if I 'confirmed' the new product specs, if BFL goes down, they're taking a lot of people with them. Considering BFLs chronicled incompetence, I doubt this would be a hard case to prove fraud if they go bankrupt. I really really hope that's not what ends up happening though. I just don't understand how any company in business can be so standoffish about they customer base.

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Quote from: k9quaint on May 02, 2013, 10:36:41 PM

Quote from: Inaba on May 02, 2013, 10:33:01 PM

Yeah, you're a lawyer that uses "u" and "r" in the place of words and your grammar is atrocious. Sure, we believe you... no really.

First time I have agreed with Inaba.

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If you have a mental space cadet for a main character, you might want to tone down your desire to use those dots.

One would also have to believe the protagonist was actually engaged in thought right? From what I can discern that does not seem to be the case for this person.

Stop being a grammar Nazi, deflecting relevant questions and answer the f-ing questions about why the shipping is so f-ing expensive A-hole.

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Quote from: peterepeat on May 02, 2013, 11:17:27 PM

I am also affected by this. All my orders were downgraded from Express to Standard. I upgraded the oldest order and paid an extra $162 via BitPay thinking it would upgrade it from the original Express to Overnight or some such.
To make matters worse, the order now shows on the system as $162 still due.

WOW! Thinking someone got screwed.

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