BFL Experience - page 4. | Bitcointalksearch.org

Inaba

legendary

Activity: 1260

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Syke on September 25, 2014, 06:12:46 PM

Quote from: Inaba on September 25, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell. How's your illegal school going?

The FTC shuts you down, yet you still come here to spout madness. How do you plan to hide your employer on your resume? You are updating your resume, aren't you?

Why would I do that? I'm not the one making false statements with nearly every post. I can quote almost any post you make and you can clearly see the false statements, over and over and over. You are also the one that hides behind pseudoanonimity of your screen name, so that makes you doubly duplicitous.

Syke

legendary

Activity: 3878

Merit: 1193

Quote from: Inaba on September 25, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell. How's your illegal school going?

The FTC shuts you down, yet you still come here to spout madness. How do you plan to hide your employer on your resume? You are updating your resume, aren't you?

xstr8guy

hero member

Activity: 784

Merit: 1004

Glow Stick Dance!

Quote from: Inaba on September 25, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell. How's your illegal school going?

You really should have a lawyer advising you to not be antagonistic in public forums. It won't make your company look better in the FTC's eyes, that's for sure. And you can be assured that many people here are making it known to the FTC how you've treated customers in the past.

Personally I find it amazing that you so far have appeared to escape Federal scrutiny. Good luck with that!

Starlightbreaker

legendary

Activity: 1764

Merit: 1006

Quote from: Inaba on September 25, 2014, 05:49:02 PM

The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell. How's your illegal school going?

and this shitbag is still around?

must have hidden his assets carefully.

Askit2

hero member

Activity: 981

Merit: 500

DIV - Your "Virtual Life" Secured and Decentralize

Quote from: norgan on September 25, 2014, 12:48:00 AM

I'd love to understand what exactly went on and what everyone was thinking. Maybe my experience was one that they were trying to boost their image by swapping out equipment that was useless anyway and they had plenty of just sitting around.

Guess we'll never know but if enough evidence has been gathered to shut them down, I'm not going to argue.

Looking back through this I wonder now how my order got so screwed up. Not the 9+ months of waiting for them to ship some jalapeno's but the additional 2 weeks (actually almost exactly 14 days) delay between when they said they shipped my units and when they actually shipped them. My order had a glitch. Apparently their system wouldn't ever make jalapeno 8 packs. Odd cause they listed it as a product. Anyways the crux of my new issue with it is why was my previous order waiting for 2 more weeks of orders to ship out if nothing had a customer number on it till after it was tested? I think that was a lie. They had them marked for orders and tracked them by that number through production. They maybe didn't ship them till after testing but it was definitely not FCFS on tested hardware.

Thread is here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=post;topic=245844.msg2606997;quote=2606997;sesc=6926403668fa8fe11a70590a4afad9f9

Inaba

legendary

Activity: 1260

Merit: 1000

The only one that is morally, ethically and intellectually bankrupt here is you, Mr. Wasp, I mean Darin Bicknell. How's your illegal school going?

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Luckyguesstradamus.

This is the one I hope comes true.

The truth certainly will not change what Inaba says he is morally and ethically bankrupt Jimmothy. Soon he will be selling out Sonny V. for his own freedom. The end is coming for BFL and old Joshy better get his own lawyer before he gets thrown under the bus.

opieum2

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

They wont be able to now. Receivership is REALLY bad for them to be in. And the FTC is directly going over their books now. That was the idea to catch them off guard before they could cook the books. Let's hope they do the same to other players pulling the same crap (AMT for starters).

Quote from: Gleb Gamow on September 25, 2014, 06:22:34 AM

Quote from: opieum2 on September 25, 2014, 06:15:16 AM

Anyone who has been a customer of BFL is already included automatically in this and likely will be eligible for redress even if we got a refund. Their 45 day refund policy was expressly against the law as it is as there are FTC policies they violated just on that to START with. The civil case will lead to a criminal one for certain. That is the purpose of catching them off guard so they could get caught with their hand in the cookie jar so to speak.

Surely, BFL won't pull a HashFast and offer up proof depicting that they only have ~$18K USD in their coffer. Thus, seeks permission from the courts to liquidate X for $Y USD to pay the skeleton staff and protect their IP during these trying times.

"Josh Zerlan, raise your right hand and place your tail on this coffee table. Do you squeaky swear..."

opieum2

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

Bickellinski + Nostradamus = Bickstradamus

Quote from: k9quaint on September 24, 2014, 11:11:16 PM

Quote from: bcp19 on May 03, 2014, 08:33:03 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 02, 2014, 10:55:27 PM

BCP is a paid advocate for BFL. He took dinner and a miner paid for by pre-orders which is customer money. Ethically he like BFL has no standing in this community and when asked a clear majority of people here understand that and will not BUY BFL based on the facts as posted 1000s of times here in these forums by 100s of dissatisfied customers. It is best to ignore him and keep pushing all avenues to have BFL brought to justice. Currently the class action and reporting BFL to the probation officer for current failures of the 28nm Monarch delivery would be the right move.

Here are my predictions.

Sonny V. gets jail time in 2014. Looking very likely after FTC shuttering BFL
Check out claims 44, 52 and 55 (b) viii reagarding Eclipse mining. Clearly on to something
28nm Monarch doesn't ship until later in 2014 after more delays. has already come true
BFL is forced to refund everyone or they go bankrupt in 2014. BFL is already in receivership, shutdown by the government

There is nothing in what BCP has said or will say that is truthful and honest about the BFL scam. He is not an honest broker here in this community and when this is all finally put to rest in the courts there will be no where he can hide to twist the argument to suit is perverse need to debate what are known facts. In the end the truth will come out. Discovery will show they have used customer units to profit and then delayed shipping in order to profit further you can't hide the TX ID on what was mined. They are doing the same thing right now with the 28nm no doubt. Let us see this house of cards come down in 2014 and hopefully customers can get their money back.

Looks like Bicknellski is gonna be 4 for 4 and BCP was wrong per usual.
Pretty good predictions from 5 months ago. Wink

Gleb Gamow

vip

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1145

Quote from: opieum2 on September 25, 2014, 06:15:16 AM

Anyone who has been a customer of BFL is already included automatically in this and likely will be eligible for redress even if we got a refund. Their 45 day refund policy was expressly against the law as it is as there are FTC policies they violated just on that to START with. The civil case will lead to a criminal one for certain. That is the purpose of catching them off guard so they could get caught with their hand in the cookie jar so to speak.

Surely, BFL won't pull a HashFast and offer up proof depicting that they only have ~$18K USD in their coffer. Thus, seeks permission from the courts to liquidate X for $Y USD to pay the skeleton staff and protect their IP during these trying times.

"Josh Zerlan, raise your right hand and place your tail on this coffee table. Do you squeaky swear..."

opieum2

hero member

Activity: 532

Merit: 500

Anyone who has been a customer of BFL is already included automatically in this and likely will be eligible for redress even if we got a refund. Their 45 day refund policy was expressly against the law as it is as there are FTC policies they violated just on that to START with. The civil case will lead to a criminal one for certain. That is the purpose of catching them off guard so they could get caught with their hand in the cookie jar so to speak.

Gleb Gamow

vip

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1145

Quote from: sbogovac on September 25, 2014, 03:45:57 AM

Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: [email protected] or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)

PS@Bicknellski: owe you my sincere apologies and gratitude "dude"...

PSS@Bicknellski: I, too, desire to offer up my apology, albeit for what, I honestly don't know, but duly hope that the red-ass he has/had toward me has lessened.

sbogovac

legendary

Activity: 2744

Merit: 1193

I don't believe in denial.

Latest update on the BFL homepage:

"BF Labs, Inc. has been placed in a temporary receivership pursuant to court order, Case No. 4:14-cv-00815-BCW. There will be a hearing on September 29, 2014 at 9:00 a.m. at the Charles Evans Whittaker Courthouse in Kansas City, Missouri. At the hearing, the court will consider this matter. Questions may be directed to the temporary receiver at: [email protected] or 816-292-8316."

Please people, this aint over "till the fat lady sings"; contact the receiver and explain your position in this!

(My story is something like: ordered in jan. expected delivery in march/april, due to BFL's non-delivery I missed this much BTC income by the time BFL refunded me [after another 45 day wait] in august and I finally could divert that investment to another producer [Antminer] who did deliver in two weeks, in the mean time BFL banned me permanently off the forum so I could not communicate properly with either them or other customers.)

PS@Bicknellski: owe you my sincere apologies and gratitude "dude"...

norgan

sr. member

Activity: 308

Merit: 250

Decentralize your hashing - p2pool - Norgz Pool

Quote from: Bicknellski on September 25, 2014, 01:03:17 AM

Quote from: norgan on September 25, 2014, 12:48:00 AM

I'd love to understand what exactly went on and what everyone was thinking. Maybe my experience was one that they were trying to boost their image by swapping out equipment that was useless anyway and they had plenty of just sitting around.

Guess we'll never know but if enough evidence has been gathered to shut them down, I'm not going to argue.

We know.

They were scamming people. Read the FTC documents and read all the posts made in these forums from customers who have complained since day one. BFL is rightly shut down because they were scamming people out of MILLIONS of dollars.

haha yeah but I mean what were individuals thinking etc. they were pretty successful at it for quite a while, they even still got people to buy into pre-orders after several failed delivery dates and all kinds of backlash. how much of this is the scammers fault and how much is the "gamblers" fault. Wink

either way good to see due process has served and they have been duly shut down to save anyone else from getting scammed. Luckily I never actually purchased anything from them Wink

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Quote from: norgan on September 25, 2014, 12:48:00 AM

I'd love to understand what exactly went on and what everyone was thinking. Maybe my experience was one that they were trying to boost their image by swapping out equipment that was useless anyway and they had plenty of just sitting around.

Guess we'll never know but if enough evidence has been gathered to shut them down, I'm not going to argue.

We know.

They were scamming people. Read the FTC documents and read all the posts made in these forums from customers who have complained since day one. BFL is rightly shut down because they were scamming people out of MILLIONS of dollars.

norgan

sr. member

Activity: 308

Merit: 250

Decentralize your hashing - p2pool - Norgz Pool

I'd love to understand what exactly went on and what everyone was thinking. Maybe my experience was one that they were trying to boost their image by swapping out equipment that was useless anyway and they had plenty of just sitting around.

Guess we'll never know but if enough evidence has been gathered to shut them down, I'm not going to argue.

Bicknellski

hero member

Activity: 924

Merit: 1000

Quote from: Bicknellski on April 24, 2014, 11:16:05 AM

Quote from: jimmothy on April 24, 2014, 10:44:49 AM

Quote from: Inaba on April 24, 2014, 10:18:38 AM

Let me clear up nothing real quick:

BFL stole nothing. Unless someone can provide some proof to the contrary, they are lying.

https://coinreport.net/butterfly-labs-civil-lawsuit/

Quote

BFL has scammed no one. Unless someone can provide proof to the contrary, they are lying. (Go on, ask for proof from the trolls claiming scams, you'll never get it.)

Delivering non-advertised product 6+ months later than advertised date along with no refunds = scamming.

Quote

There was no promised shipping date for the Monarch line and in fact there were big bold text stating that it is a preorder and subject to delay. Anyone who tells you the Monarch is late and that BFL made promises on delivery time is lying.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deceit

Quote

BFL has shipped over 50,000 products in the 65nm line. The failure rate is less than 1% (0.72%) not including power supplies. If you include power supplies, that goes to 1.65%. Far lower than industry average and a simply awesome (lack of) failure rate. Contrast to the ~~other mining companies~~ shittiest mining companies equipment, which has double digit failure rates and it's even better. Anyone who tells you differently is lying.

FTFY

Quote

OP's experience is the norm. People rarely come to a forum to post when they have a positive experience, they usually come and post to complain. After 50,000 units shipped and you look at the complaints, that should tell you something. Most people are not complaining, just a handful of disgruntled people and a whole lot of trolls who aren't even customers.

People rarely come to post positive experience? What about spondoolies/asicminer/bitfury/bitmain/chinese miners/all the non-shit companies?

It is amazing that with only 50,000 units shipped you managed to rack up over 1,000 FTC/PP complaints. Must be some sort of record.

The truth certainly will not change what Inaba says he is morally and ethically bankrupt Jimmothy. Soon he will be selling out Sonny V. for his own freedom. The end is coming for BFL and old Joshy better get his own lawyer before he gets thrown under the bus.

And the OP can post his evidence here... he doesn't need to email me. Let the community decide whether his evidence passes muster. Again given the horrible treatment of customers that is well documented particularly the FTC complaints when BFL was NOT giving refunds when they were legally required to do so is something that the probation officer needs for Sonny V. needs to be made aware of. You can't ignore the reality. BFL are morally and ethically challenged and will do anything they can to keep this racket going for a long as they can. There will be plenty of evidence coming to light soon enough that will scatter the cockroaches.

Unacceptable

legendary

Activity: 2212

Merit: 1001

Thanks for sharing this GG Cheesy

Everyone should see this Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeuCHhm1rVg

k9quaint

legendary

Activity: 1190

Merit: 1000

Quote from: bcp19 on May 03, 2014, 08:33:03 AM

Quote from: Bicknellski on May 02, 2014, 10:55:27 PM

BCP is a paid advocate for BFL. He took dinner and a miner paid for by pre-orders which is customer money. Ethically he like BFL has no standing in this community and when asked a clear majority of people here understand that and will not BUY BFL based on the facts as posted 1000s of times here in these forums by 100s of dissatisfied customers. It is best to ignore him and keep pushing all avenues to have BFL brought to justice. Currently the class action and reporting BFL to the probation officer for current failures of the 28nm Monarch delivery would be the right move.

Here are my predictions.

Sonny V. gets jail time in 2014. Looking very likely after FTC shuttering BFL
Check out claims 44, 52 and 55 (b) viii reagarding Eclipse mining. Clearly on to something
28nm Monarch doesn't ship until later in 2014 after more delays. has already come true
BFL is forced to refund everyone or they go bankrupt in 2014. BFL is already in receivership, shutdown by the government

There is nothing in what BCP has said or will say that is truthful and honest about the BFL scam. He is not an honest broker here in this community and when this is all finally put to rest in the courts there will be no where he can hide to twist the argument to suit is perverse need to debate what are known facts. In the end the truth will come out. Discovery will show they have used customer units to profit and then delayed shipping in order to profit further you can't hide the TX ID on what was mined. They are doing the same thing right now with the 28nm no doubt. Let us see this house of cards come down in 2014 and hopefully customers can get their money back.

Looks like Bicknellski is gonna be 4 for 4 and BCP was wrong per usual.
Pretty good predictions from 5 months ago. Wink

Gleb Gamow

vip

Activity: 1428

Merit: 1145

Topic: BFL Experience - page 4. (Read 9602 times)