BFL offers 1000 BTC back up on power claims - page 4.

crazyates

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Quote from: poon-TANG on October 21, 2012, 02:12:23 PM

Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 19, 2012, 08:24:41 PM

I fail to see how either Tom Cablepair or Inaba can really believe that all this school playground behaviour is any good for either of their organizations.

Has anyone noticed how reputable businesses could easily play this ridiculous game of PR one-up-man-ship, and yet by and large don't do it? Because it makes them look bad? Even when they do engage in this sort of thing, they at least have the sense to dress it up in a bogus intellectual property lawsuit.

You two appear like a pair of WWE wrestlers in a pre-match taunting session (to me, anyway)

Nvidia does it all the time.

And they're not the only ones. Have you even SEEN a presidential debate in the US recently?

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Quote from: Carlton Banks on October 19, 2012, 08:24:41 PM

I fail to see how either Tom Cablepair or Inaba can really believe that all this school playground behaviour is any good for either of their organizations.

Has anyone noticed how reputable businesses could easily play this ridiculous game of PR one-up-man-ship, and yet by and large don't do it? Because it makes them look bad? Even when they do engage in this sort of thing, they at least have the sense to dress it up in a bogus intellectual property lawsuit.

You two appear like a pair of WWE wrestlers in a pre-match taunting session (to me, anyway)

Nvidia does it all the time.

Inaba

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Ok, I can buy into that they don't want to be a co-defendant and that's all well and good. But the link you posted, which is the one I base my opinion off of reads very differently. For example:

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1. We don't fully understand the complex legal issues involved with creating a new currency system.

This is their job. They are suppose to figure out the complex legal issues for these sorts of things.

But as I said, I can buy into it for future purposes. But they way they've worded all their stances on Bitcoin has turned a number of other organizations off to Bitcoin. I think EFF has handled the whole situation poorly and made no effort to correct it. Is that enough to withhold donations? I'm not sure how I feel about that yet.

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Quote from: Inaba on October 19, 2012, 05:26:20 PM

That's great, Phinnaeus! My only beef with EFF is their abandonment of Bitcoin, so I have to assess if that's enough to put them out of the running. But if another worthy charity is put forth, I am certainly open to consider it.

I hear this all the time, and i believe it's misleading. The EFF didn't abandon Bitcoin, they ensured that if there was a legal dispute around BitCoin that they would have standing as something other than a co-defendant. It's pretty cut and dried that they did the right thing for us in the long run by ensuring we can call on them if needed.

Once the law is clear, I don't think they will have any problem turning it back on. Until they they are returning funds to the community through the bitcoin faucet.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/06/eff-and-bitcoin

Also, while I think that all the charities mentioned look very deserving, wouldn't it be a good idea donate that 1000BTC to a BitCoin related organization like the BitCoin Foundation? or DevCoin Bounties? Something to help propel the community forward by reinvestment.

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Quote from: dserrano5 on October 21, 2012, 10:41:12 AM

Quote from: cedivad on October 21, 2012, 04:28:21 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 04:12:20 AM

Quote from: Monkey1 on October 21, 2012, 03:32:38 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

That depends on where you live. For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage Shocked

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe Cheesy

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

W=A*V

In Europe the wattage will be the same.

Last I checked in Spain we got 220V, not 240. Not that it makes a big difference though.

As long as the efficiency of the power supply brick doesn't change with voltage range, the power ("wattage") will be the same no matter the operating AC voltage. From what I've heard the cheap-ish power supplies that they use currently aren't incredibly efficient as it is, so that is actually working against them with this bet.

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Quote from: cedivad on October 21, 2012, 04:28:21 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 04:12:20 AM

Quote from: Monkey1 on October 21, 2012, 03:32:38 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

That depends on where you live. For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage Shocked

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe Cheesy

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

W=A*V

In Europe the wattage will be the same.

Last I checked in Spain we got 220V, not 240. Not that it makes a big difference though.

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So I guess he's not interested in my bet. Cry

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Quote from: dirtycat on October 21, 2012, 07:12:32 AM

Quote from: aqrulesms on October 20, 2012, 12:04:31 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on October 19, 2012, 11:21:36 PM

I have to say, this is terrible.

Not only did Inaba turn a hit at Tom on power figures, now he is turning around and making it seem like it was his bet to Tom. (instead of the otherwa around)...It was the other way around.

To top it off....hes now opened a thread and is now making it seem as if Charities will "win out" of this skirmish of words and bitcoin bets....people are all riled up over which charity is more deserving....

You guys are being played with like toys....

I don't know about you, but I am personally offended at this tactic. I understand Psychological games...but this game is one gone way too far. I'd ask for Mod intervention but I don't know if they would even bother with this mess.

All the more to stay away from BFL.

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Quote from: aqrulesms on October 20, 2012, 12:04:31 AM

Quote from: PuertoLibre on October 19, 2012, 11:21:36 PM

I have to say, this is terrible.

Not only did Inaba turn a hit at Tom on power figures, now he is turning around and making it seem like it was his bet to Tom. (instead of the otherwa around)...It was the other way around.

To top it off....hes now opened a thread and is now making it seem as if Charities will "win out" of this skirmish of words and bitcoin bets....people are all riled up over which charity is more deserving....

You guys are being played with like toys....

I don't know about you, but I am personally offended at this tactic. I understand Psychological games...but this game is one gone way too far. I'd ask for Mod intervention but I don't know if they would even bother with this mess.

All the more to stay away from BFL.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 04:12:20 AM

Quote from: Monkey1 on October 21, 2012, 03:32:38 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

That depends on where you live. For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage Shocked

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe Cheesy

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

W=A*V

In Europe the wattage will be the same.

Unacceptable

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Quote from: Monkey1 on October 21, 2012, 03:32:38 AM

Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

That depends on where you live. For me- from the wall = 240 V

OOO,higher voltage=less wattage Shocked

BFL may get less than 60 watts yet..........over in europe Cheesy

I know it'll almost be the same in reality.

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Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

That depends on where you live. For me- from the wall = 240 V

Kaliecious

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I got a GREAT idea, BFL take 500 BTC, the other company pony up 500 BTC and pool it, I say fuck the power claims I really dont care and never really have bet off or what ever and both companies donate it to a charitable orginization in both names and shake hands and make the best of it and each go thier way and do thier thing and in the end even with all the hupla both companies done something good TOGETHER.

But hey i'm no real voice,

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Quote from: Unacceptable on October 21, 2012, 12:33:12 AM

Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

Ooo...now that's a ballzy bet on efficiency.

Unacceptable

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Quote from: thebaron on October 20, 2012, 11:35:27 PM

66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

I asked that on the BFL forums,it will be from the wall=120 volt Wink

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Quote from: Inaba on October 20, 2012, 11:44:04 AM

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes. I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does. I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

thank you for the clarification - Subject line says: "BFL offers 1000 BTC back up on power claims" is misleading Sad

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66 watts DC, or 66 watts AC?

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Quote from: Inaba on October 19, 2012, 04:04:56 PM

Since Tom is refusing to actually make the bet he himself proposed between us, I am offering up a guarantee of 1000 BTC to charity (I will take suggestions on which charity to donate this to) if BFL does not meet it's power claims within 10% - meaning if BFL's power consumption is more than 66w for a Single SC, we lose the "bet."

If the Single SC uses more than 66 Watts or if it uses less than 54 Watts then that will also be 10% off and the Charity wins.

Now can't you change the power consumption by changing the load. So the Single SC will use no power when it is off. Probably use less than 54 Watts when hashing at half speed. So it is easy for the bet to pay off. Or you need to be more specific about the condition that will trigger a Charity payoff.

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Make a Wish Foundation?

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Quote from: Inaba on October 20, 2012, 11:44:04 AM

Na, I knew Tom would chicken out and run back into his hole, so it was largely irrelevant as far as Tom goes. I'm offering 1000 BTC on behalf of BFL regardless of what Tom does. I never expected Tom to honor the intent of his bet anyway (Simply because he had no intention of going through with it from the start), so it was largely altruistic on my part to begin with, but only in so far as I don't think I will have to pay up and I know Tom would... but I'm more than willing to escrow the amount until such time as is required.

Would you be willing to make a bet with the community that x number of units will be shipped by some particular date and that the units will function at the specified power claims?

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