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Topic: BFL Preorders -- What did you get? | Who has the lowest order number? - page 3. (Read 15186 times)

legendary
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Will be interesting how much the difficulty spikes when these all come online.

I think this needs more insight from BFL. And I have an open question about that to the forum BFL Engineer. BFL-Eng will try to get some more details. The reason it is importnat is kinda obvious, if they keep these prices, the ROI's will eventually take too long. So, I personally would not order any more equipment until I get that insight. Order numbers start around #1600 and I know they went over #2300 about mid week. Assume 800 orders, and average of 200GH per order on average (yeah that is random...but also the point is that we don't know where the hash rate is going). Anyway, that is 200GH/order x 700 orders = 140Thash to be added to the network hash rate just from initial to midweek orders. So, that could easily go to 300TH. Current difficulty is based on 12.5TH. So, difficulty will fly when network hash rate hits 312TH. So, go figure how long it will take you to pay off any BFL equipment if that is the case 1.5years? 2 years? Will the equipment even be warrantied for that long? So, it might be better to just buy bitcoins with current BFL hardware pricing. Orders in the first week or two are probably safe, but Im skeptical. Anyway, let's see what the engineer has to provide if/when he ever gets some details.

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The average order is 200GH/s?! That's assuming we go by the data in this thread:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/wait-list-bfl-sc-pre-order-information-monarch-orders-too-89685

At current there are about 900 orders (into the 2500s). That thread has 38 listed orders. That's a pretty small sample. But here's what those 38 orders have listed:

6 SC Mini Rigs
65 SC Singles
53 Jalapenos

That's (6x1000) + (65x40) + (53x3.5) = ~8.8TH/s.     
8.8THs/38 orders = ~230GHs/order, which is about your estimate.

However, almost half of that is one order for 4 SC MR, so that will skew the scale a bit high.
Now lets be more realistic and subtract Gigavps's 4 SC MR order, and assume that there are not 25 people willing to put 120,000 USD for multiple rack mount rigs. that brings us down to:

(2x1000) + (65x40) + (53x3.5) = ~4.8TH/s.
4.8THs/37 orders = ~130GHs/order.

Our sample rate is about 4% of the total orders placed to date, so lets assume all 900 orders average the same as these 38 (not likely, but it's all the numbers we have).
25x8.8 = 220TH/s. Close to 20x the current difficulty. Or
25x4.8 = 120TH/s. Close to 10x the current difficulty.

You're talking somewhere between these two numbers.
legendary
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No, your place in line is determined by the date that the order is paid - instantly for BTC and whenever the funds appear in their account for wire transfer. Actually, your "effective" paid date for transfers is determined by the # days after they send the wire transfer info it takes for funds to arrive in their account. So, if you ordered on the 6/23, got the wiring info on 6/28, and the funds arrive in their account on 6/29, your effective paid date would be 6/24. The order number probably determines your place relative to other orders paid on the same day though.
exactly.
I'm just a little disappointed that they sent me the wiring info today, on a friday after the banks closed, so that I get pushed back two days in the orderline without fault of my own since my bank wont process any bank transfers till monday.

Well it's possible that they might go by working days so that people who get the wiring info on Friday aren't unfairly screwed, but they haven't said this. I'm hoping that when they email the final order confirmation, this will specify what the effective order date is.
full member
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No, your place in line is determined by the date that the order is paid - instantly for BTC and whenever the funds appear in their account for wire transfer. Actually, your "effective" paid date for transfers is determined by the # days after they send the wire transfer info it takes for funds to arrive in their account. So, if you ordered on the 6/23, got the wiring info on 6/28, and the funds arrive in their account on 6/29, your effective paid date would be 6/24. The order number probably determines your place relative to other orders paid on the same day though.
exactly.
I'm just a little disappointed that they sent me the wiring info today, on a friday after the banks closed, so that I get pushed back two days in the orderline without fault of my own since my bank wont process any bank transfers till monday.
hero member
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Will be interesting how much the difficulty spikes when these all come online.

I think this needs more insight from BFL. And I have an open question about that to the forum BFL Engineer. BFL-Eng will try to get some more details. The reason it is importnat is kinda obvious, if they keep these prices, the ROI's will eventually take too long. So, I personally would not order any more equipment until I get that insight. Order numbers start around #1600 and I know they went over #2300 about mid week. Assume 800 orders, and average of 200GH per order on average (yeah that is random...but also the point is that we don't know where the hash rate is going). Anyway, that is 200GH/order x 700 orders = 140Thash to be added to the network hash rate just from initial to midweek orders. So, that could easily go to 300TH. Current difficulty is based on 12.5TH. So, difficulty will fly when network hash rate hits 312TH. So, go figure how long it will take you to pay off any BFL equipment if that is the case 1.5years? 2 years? Will the equipment even be warrantied for that long? So, it might be better to just buy bitcoins with current BFL hardware pricing. Orders in the first week or two are probably safe, but Im skeptical. Anyway, let's see what the engineer has to provide if/when he ever gets some details.

||bit
legendary
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just recieved my bank transfer information. On a friday at 8 pm. I wonder how many additonal places in the line the weekend delay is going to cost me.

When you select the bank xfer option do they still send you a confirmation email with an order number? If so, that's your place in line.

No, your place in line is determined by the date that the order is paid - instantly for BTC and whenever the funds appear in their account for wire transfer. Actually, your "effective" paid date for transfers is determined by the # days after they send the wire transfer info it takes for funds to arrive in their account. So, if you ordered on the 6/23, got the wiring info on 6/28, and the funds arrive in their account on 6/29, your effective paid date would be 6/24. The order number probably determines your place relative to other orders paid on the same day though.
legendary
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What's a GPU?
just recieved my bank transfer information. On a friday at 8 pm. I wonder how many additonal places in the line the weekend delay is going to cost me.

When you select the bank xfer option do they still send you a confirmation email with an order number? If so, that's your place in line.
full member
Activity: 196
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just recieved my bank transfer information. On a friday at 8 pm. I wonder how many additonal places in the line the weekend delay is going to cost me.
hero member
Activity: 530
Merit: 500
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/bitforce-sc-pre-order-delay-89187
When product is ready on any given day (let's say 40 units) half of them ...

I wonder if this is a raw number of the first batch in October since we already got roughly 800 orders now.
I also wonder when the next batch will be then? The next month, the next 3 months? All we can do is speculate.  Cry
Can BFL please give us a number? Thanks.
legendary
Activity: 980
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I just placed an order for the 8 pack upgrade and I'm # 2473
hero member
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than they should make a pic of the final development process ... like they did with the old singles Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 1050
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Why dont they record a video showing the card working? I think it could be put more credibility on their business ..   


from their website:

The BitForce SC chip is now in final stage development.  Initial product delivery is scheduled for October, 2012.
yxt
legendary
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Why dont they record a video showing the card working? I think it could be put more credibility on their business ..   


because there is no working device Cheesy
legendary
Activity: 2212
Merit: 1001
2207. Ordered 4 Jalapinos. Hope we all get them at roughly the same time so we can all mine before the difficulty spike...

Also, every order number is not necessarily an actual order, I am also 2197, but the 15 minutes on Bit-Pay timed out before I could get to the end of the block chain and send the coins.

I got two of those,my wallet wasn't up to date,gggrrrrrrr  Angry
newbie
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Merit: 0
Why dont they record a video showing the card working? I think it could be put more credibility on their business ..   
hero member
Activity: 504
Merit: 500
Scattering my bits around the net since 1980
If you send the coins to the payment address and it doesn't register with them until after the 15 minutes, they get alerted to the late payment.

If the coin's new exchange rate still covers the purchase, it will go through. If not, you get credited, and they will email you for the remainder.

I had a decent several-email conversation with Anthony and Stephen at bitpay.com, and they explained this process at a time I was concerned my delayed transaction would be lost.

They were pretty damned responsive to my emails too, I didn't have to wait long at all, at 10p EDT and later, on Saturday night, to get multiple replies to my questions, either.

I'm rarely impressed by payment processors, but this one definitely handled their business, and are worth dealing with.

BFL, could take several lessons from these guys about customer service.

-- Smoov
t3h
newbie
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2207. Ordered 4 Jalapinos. Hope we all get them at roughly the same time so we can all mine before the difficulty spike...

Also, every order number is not necessarily an actual order, I am also 2197, but the 15 minutes on Bit-Pay timed out before I could get to the end of the block chain and send the coins.
full member
Activity: 196
Merit: 100
so did anybody get wire transfer details yet? or is this delay what they meant with serving bitcoin buyers first?
hero member
Activity: 616
Merit: 500
Portland Bitcoin Group Organizer
the upgrade means that you're going to send back in your BitForce Single when your order is ready (so you pay for 4 and send in your Single for an additional 4) 8pack.
sr. member
Activity: 423
Merit: 250
Sup all,

What do they mean by "BitForce Jalapeno 8 pack upgrade ($599)"

This is my first ASIC and I choose 2 x "BitForce Jalapeno ($149)". Order #2005

Hope im not too late, just came back from work -.-"
full member
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Merit: 100
Bitcoin is a food group.
4x SC Mini-Rigs and a few Jalapenos for the folks, to keep their coffee's warm while they help me take over Bitcoin.

I want to be the first 4+TH Miner.

Were you planning for this or did you just happen to have around $120,000 in BTC laying around you werent using? Just curious.

Early adopter + Bitcoinica Hack proceeds + Bruce Wagner as a friend (hence, MyBitcoin profits) = 4x SC Mini-Rigs ordered.


LOL that made me so happy. I mean obviously the coin wasnt a HUGE thing for you but i was more curious as to if you were putting off buying any mini-rigs in anticipation of this or what?
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