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legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 05, 2013, 08:54:17 PM
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Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  Roll Eyes
Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free Smiley

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.
You? Serious? Yeah right. That doesn't even make sense what you just typed.

I wonder who am I supposed to be thanking when a Block Erupter USB turns up in my post shortly? Tongue

So why wont you answer my questions?

1. it doesnt take millions of $ to write driver software for 1 device nor does it take 10 months.

2. Did you accidentally turn on your BFL troll switch?  Tongue
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
May 05, 2013, 08:48:40 PM
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Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  Roll Eyes
Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free Smiley

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.
You? Serious? Yeah right. That doesn't even make sense what you just typed.

I wonder who am I supposed to be thanking when a Block Erupter USB turns up in my post shortly? Tongue
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 05, 2013, 08:23:41 PM
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Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  Roll Eyes
Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free Smiley

Yeah we can both word it however we like.

LOL how much time did it take you to write that? 10 months? + millions of $?

lol hardly a comparison Kano.

But nice try to down play and NOT answer my serious question I posed to you.
legendary
Activity: 4592
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
May 05, 2013, 08:20:39 PM
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Sure you got your free device...have you thanked all the preorder customers that been subsidized so that you could get it before most everyone else?  Roll Eyes
Well the software driver I wrote is the fastest and best software for mining on the device ... that everyone can have for free Smiley

Yeah we can both word it however we like.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 05, 2013, 08:14:11 PM
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
May 05, 2013, 08:08:40 PM
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Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

Kano,

The agenda would be to get the facts/truth of why the delays.

As all preorder customers waiting months and months, they are by definition INVESTORS given BFL did not have a working product at the time. So their monies likely went into the R&D of BFL ASICs.

As investors they have a stake in the company's success (implicitly) and deserve to see the accounting behind BFL.

I suspect if such an investigation did start...we would find that BFL was in fact running a ponzi. (getting new customer monies to help finish producing said devices for initial investors)....and cycle through that a few times.

Hard to deny that simple fact there given BFL keeps saying they will need several months (likely a year IMHO) to get through all the preorders.
Well I'm simply pointing out that although there may be nefarious reasons (but I don't think there are) that at this point in time, going after BFL will not expedite anyone's orders.

As I said in the blog, there are certainly a number of understandable reasons for it.
I also did quite clearly say that, and why, BFL is to blame, not someone else.

They have, however, made head roads into that finally and even delivered a small number of Jalapenos.
I guess if they don't start delivering much soon, then we'll be almost back into where we were before the Jalapenos were delivered.
Though I would be surprised if it happened, or if they didn't give a reason if it did.

I guess the other point to mention (about me) is that it is quite obvious to see when I've made comments that have made me a target.
Once I actually had the Jalapeno, yes indeed I have been more vocal of BFL.
I think it's quite obvious why: they have delivered to me hardware that works.
How can I not consider that meaning they can certainly, 100%, produce this hardware?

Oddly people seem to think this is some sort of "pay off" though I've even made it quite clear that I don't consider being given hardware as "free" coz of the effort I end up spending on it (and an aside I spent hours last night and yesterday fscking with Avalon code with ckolivas sorting out direct USB ... and we still don't have it completely sorted yet ... wtf am I doing that? I don't actually know myself Tongue I certainly don't want an Avalon and have turned down offers ...)

People have been saying, for the long time of the delay to delivery, that BFL is a scam or a ponzi.
Now they have delivered hardware, it's now ... "they're late and there are nefarious reasons why"
Well, we all know they are late, and trying to slow them down could ... make them even later Tongue
... which is the point of my last posts.

... and reread what you wrote, you are suggesting reasons, and then using those suggested reasons as truths in the same post.

The biggest point I can make, however, is that BFL clearly made money delivering BFL FPGAs (late) and have then gone and created BFL ASICs (late) that work.
From the point of anyone who understands the process of producing these devices, it makes no sense at all to even call it a ponzi once they have delivered even a few devices.
Nothing like this already exists anywhere else.
Avalon chips are slower than the FPGA's in a BFL FPGA single - they just use a lot less power than the FPGA so when you add 240 of them together you get ... ~67GH/s
ASICMINER chips are the same.
No one else has produced a dedicated ASIC chip that can pump out >2.5GH/s ... anywhere.
hero member
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May 05, 2013, 07:18:11 PM
Not a newcomer?
full member
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May 05, 2013, 06:43:30 PM

I went to BFL in February - as I wrote a blog about ... and anyone except those who're noobs or stupid would already know.


Wow, the arrogance is incredible.

Rate yourself much?

Who are you?

I appreciate you're a developer for one of the two main mining softwares. But for all intense and purposes you're an unknown hiding behind a pseudonym on an Internet forum, what on earth propels you to the upper echelons of assumption to believe that everyone but n00bs or the stupid would choose to willingly spend their free time following you?

Get a grip man! Some people do things outside and away from computers.

Should someone wish to follow you, you don't even help your cause by supplying a link in your signature.

I don't see why you make such a fuss of it. He is simply right, you must be stupid or a newcomer to not know about that visit...or Luke´s visit.

I'm neither and I didn't know. Maybe I just don't care.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 05, 2013, 06:26:18 PM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.

Kano,

The agenda would be to get the facts/truth of why the delays.

As all preorder customers waiting months and months, they are by definition INVESTORS given BFL did not have a working product at the time. So their monies likely went into the R&D of BFL ASICs.

As investors they have a stake in the company's success (implicitly) and deserve to see the accounting behind BFL.

I suspect if such an investigation did start...we would find that BFL was in fact running a ponzi. (getting new customer monies to help finish producing said devices for initial investors)....and cycle through that a few times.

Hard to deny that simple fact there given BFL keeps saying they will need several months (likely a year IMHO) to get through all the preorders.
legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
May 05, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.

Well I suspect the answer to any such investigation would simply be what I posted back in February in "My Opinion"

If the point of such is to make them deliver faster, it will of course not work.

If instead there is some other agenda, well yes you might succeed in slowing things down.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
May 05, 2013, 01:38:46 PM
I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.
Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

 Whatever you do, DO NOT chant the name "Adrian Chen" three times in a row.
hero member
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May 05, 2013, 12:16:56 PM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.



Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.





+1   Lies and willful misrepresentation has been shown by BFL and again anyone that continues to defend this outfit pretty much has no integrity.
sr. member
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May 05, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.



Have to agree.  BFL should be accountable for both words and actions.  If the actions (building a 65nm Bitcoin hashing device) are hard - that's one thing.


Words.  Lies.  Willful misrepresentation?  That's another.


sr. member
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May 05, 2013, 11:18:51 AM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.

some good old muckraking article that would be.

my panties are getting moist at the thought.
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May 05, 2013, 10:38:09 AM
Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P
Well ... I am the 2nd developer of cgminer ...

Sorry Kano, I don't actually think you are as evil as Josh.  I see that you are excited.
legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper
May 05, 2013, 05:46:00 AM
Kano,

I think getting the press to shine the light on the dark shadowy corners of BFL will reveal some interesting truths that BFL does not want the public to know.

Whether or not they actually ever deliver a device is beside the point. All of the inexcusable delays and promises that were broken on many levels warrants a press/media outlet to waltz over to BFL and bring their camera crew.
hero member
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May 05, 2013, 05:01:17 AM
... and again ... anyone who had an order with them had the direct option to cancel it the other day on their account.

But what would they bitch about if they had.

Once BFL starts getting up to speed on shipping I fully expect to see a "BFL SCAMMED ME INTO CANCELLING MY ORDER" thread.
legendary
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May 05, 2013, 01:57:15 AM
Seriously though BFL is certainly playing fast and loose with the truth YET AGAIN. Someone should call 60 Minutes and let them do an expose or the local news to have someone bust these guys. They need to be shamed into doing the right thing for their customers it is obvious they do not care and will take every advantage to screw over their customers. Better Business Bureau anyone?
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"doing the right thing for their customers"

Well, considering the only thing that most people will be happy with is them delivering their SC line of products, I (yet again) don't understand the given line of thinking.

Clearly sending 60 minutes (though I highly doubt 60 minutes would give a damn) will certainly not speed up that process in any way.

... and again ... anyone who had an order with them had the direct option to cancel it the other day on their account.
hero member
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May 05, 2013, 01:49:06 AM
Seriously though BFL is certainly playing fast and loose with the truth YET AGAIN. Someone should call 60 Minutes and let them do an expose or the local news to have someone bust these guys. They need to be shamed into doing the right thing for their customers it is obvious they do not care and will take every advantage to screw over their customers. Better Business Bureau anyone?

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legendary
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Linux since 1997 RedHat 4
May 05, 2013, 01:40:51 AM
Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P
Well ... I am the 2nd developer of cgminer ...
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