Topic: BFL Wafer Broke? - page 4. (Read 13742 times)

Can we please get back on topic and get this debate resolved once and for all, and really discuss the important things ? My vote is cast firmly for poutine.

Wouldn't it be interesting if Kano and Josh came up with a secret plan to infiltrate computers and get wallet data?

I could totally see that happening.

=P

HERE HERE!

That is why every genius programer has a bugtracker. Because they were too lazy to write it correctly the first time.

Oh, wait, that would be a prodigy....

Sigh, which bank? So I can stay away from that one. Most banking systems are crap. I'm not sure why you'd vaguely associate yourself with code used at a bank, that's like admitting defeat already.

Hmm what's the biggest project I've written?
I myself redesigned and wrote most of the whole system Optus used to store and lookup their bills in the 90's
10 second response time for 7 years worth of history - they were quite happy about that back then since it was beyond anything anyone else at any other telecom/bank had.
Their CSR's were also very happy with it - the end users.

However, that, of course, has no effect on what I do now. Different systems. Though, something I did learn back then (as the Project Leader ... and on most parts of it, the whole project team) was that the world is full of people who think they can program, who can even produce code. But hell, many of them are useless.

I am from TNPCC The National Poutine Council of Canada. We at the Council do not appreciate you people making references to Poutine,, (Canada's National food) and this BFL company. We do not know who they are but we are sure that they do not have the moral fiber that is required to be put in too the same thread as the worlds best food for putting the winter fat on that all Canadians need to survive the winter in there Igloos. We demand this thread be rewritten or deleted from the history books entirely so we can all forget this travesty.

The TNPCC

Wooo - someone's upset that they are wrong

He is an arrogant asshole.  A bit of a scammer.  Stupid is the word he uses the most.  Don't know how anything can be called "stupid" and left at that.  Nothing is without reason, so maybe he is struggling with his own sense of stupidity, while trying to save his position/company?

 I'd rather he stop making excuses, show some humility, and stop taunting us with such pompous braggadocio whilst having thousands of our dollars in his coffers worth of preorders.

Does one necessarily exclude the other?

Inaba has time, he simply does not use it effectively.

In the time it takes him to type up "cocksucker" he can pull up google. In the time it takes to call someone an asshole (such as above) in a shoutbox, he can google a charity. In the time it takes for him to login to BitCoinTalk, he can certainly donate 1000BTC to a charity. (Plus that other 1000BTC he lost in a bet....or that other bet he made against somoene...who was it? Micon was almost pulled in for a 240BTC bet wasn't it? What about the time he almost got someone to agree to a 500BTC bet? I forget the name.... Anyway, you get the pattern)

Since when did customers care more about a donation than getting their order out the door? I don't get it. I'm not defending the guy or BFL but what's the point about it? Are you saying you'd rather have the donation fulfilled before any orders ship out?

Lol, while I totally relate to Xian's position, and I generally get the vibe that Josh is a total scam artist; I did like him in this parlay.

I'll just leave this here...

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 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:56 PM
So Josh, when are you going to pay the 1000 BTC bet for not meeting 1W/Ghash ? Or are you waiting until you guys get down to 1W/Ghash until you tell everyone to go fuck themselves and say "I TOLD YOU SO!!!" ?

 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
Xian: Your trolling pisses me off, but to answer your question, as soon as we get time to take care of it, we will. It's not like we aren't already overworked and it's not exactly a high priority at the moment... however, if you have an order, let me know what it is and I will be sure to put yours on hold when we get to it and work dilligently on the donation thing before we get back to yours.

 Xian (Edit · Delete) 05-01-2013 03:58 PM
BFL_Josh: Hey, thanks for threatening your customers ! I appreciate it !

Xian silenced successfully.
 BFL_Josh - 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
No problem, thanks for being an annoying troll.

 BFL_Josh - Shout 05-01-2013 03:59 PM
Xian silenced successfully.

You noobs!

Don't worry. I am going to share my super secret with BFL to keeping a company afloat "during hard times". We at ADL have accomplished 1 to 2 years non-delivery simply by using it. We can refund old "impatient" customers simply by "funding their refunds" from that of new customers money. If need be, we will even raise our prices to double that of our original products. Therefore we offset any refunds and still have strong earnings.

This is your assumption, show me proof. This is where you are all going wrong, if you want to miss credit someone you need actual proof. Every time you present your theories as facts without proof you erode the ground you stand on.

If you however said "I think they funded development with pre-order money" I would fully respect that. That's the difference between a unsubstantiated accusations and an opinion.

And before you say "BFL has not proved they didn't", it is generally up to the accuser to bring the evidence of their claims (unless you are a government ;/)

Until you and others start to either present facts with your accusations or change tone to simply having opinions/speculating you are nothing else than trolls/fud spreaders.

 The reality that BFL has not paid off their 1000 BTC wager for not meeting their power consumption goals, and Josh rage-silencing me on the BFL shout-box for pointing that out ("we're too fucking busy to pay off a 1000 BTC wager") ? The reality that they shipped on April 1st ? The reality that they had working prototypes set for FCC approval back in October / November ?

 Sorry, which reality are you referring to ? The one inside your and Josh's deluded brains, or the one that the rest of us live in daily ?

Unfortunately, they funded their development with pre-orders. They also left in place the ability to get a refund for a pre-order. If they let rumors run wild, everyone could ask for a refund and derail the whole development train. So they have to continue to market their product, if only to reassure their investors.
BFL going quiet was never really an option.

They were simply trying to kill competition before it even got off the ground, announce your product with best case specs/delivery scenario, if it doesn't quite work out, well your competition gave up before they even got started anyway. The only dark horse is someone like the Avalon guys who launched their project more for ideological reasons than profit. A bit dirty but effective and quite common business practice.

People need to stop judging BFL from a "good guy/bro" starting point. They are a business and their main goal is to make money. If you had that mindset from the start you would have gotten a lot less surprised/upset with their delays and unfolding of their whole project.

I pre-ordered with BFL fully understanding the risks that if the first run of chips being non functional, that could have been the end of the BFL asics story. I also expected there to be huge delays, their estimates for the FPGAs weren't exactly spot on were they and I suspected the asics would be even worse unless they pulled some kind of miracle.

The only real mistake BFL has done was communicating at all with the community. They should just have said "not yet, when it's done it's done" and stuck to that until they had something to show. People these days seems to take anything you say in public as a promise, and go on a fucking crusade when you don't stick to whatever you previously said exactly. Newsflash, during product development shit changes all the damn time, sometimes stuff you spent weeks on is scrapped and plans changed. It's just generally better to say fuck all and let people speculate else they start whining and bitching.

Saying that though my personal estimates were a bit off, I though worst case scenario would be 6 months from initial shipping date. Still I'm not that surprised and neither do I feel the need to fill the forums with pointless rants repeating the same thing over and over like some here do, pretending they are some holy e-crusaders out to right all the wrongs and vanquish evil.

The funny thing Kano does not realize is that just because you have dinner with someone and they show you around and make you feel homey and comfy but dont actually open "THE BOOKS" that back BFL then you really do not know the state of BFL's financial status.

It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know that BFL blew a ton of customer pre order money on R&D and Google Ads and other ads all over the fucking internet like desperate coke addicts that need more money to keep the HIGH going.

If BFL was legit they would have secured VC funding privately...shut the fucked up...produced products, then announced it WITH ACCURATE POWER/SPEED/COST estimates.

But we all know that isn't the case.

The writing is on the wall. BFL has IMHO 4-6 months (give or take a few months) in a best case scenario before they implode.

This is if they can't find more suckers to buy into their PONZI that takes new customer preorder money to manufacture devices for existing 10 month wait customers while the new customers wait for many months.

LOL  I have large stockpile of popcorn ready when BFL blows up.

It is waffles and chicken vs. poutine vs. dimsum actually.

If one were to simply look at the facts as a disinterested observer it would certainly be clear that BFL has dropped many a ball and that anyone in their right mind would see that there are plenty of people who troll and pretty much deflect the blame away from the facts.

What do we know about the wafers?

Evidence?

Hmmmm...

Shipping dates missed?

Shipping changes?

Specifications missed?

Specifications changed?

Evidence?

Hmmmm...


At some point the buyer must wonder what BFL is doing and why they are scrambling to deliver something that in their own minds was a slam dunk many months ago. Anyone defending BFL at this point doesn't have any credibility full stop.

Anyone trolling BFL at this point can smell the blood in the water and won't be letting up and will continue pecking away at what credibility if any is left.

When you see the personal attacks back and forth you can completely ignore those what you can't ignore is the taint of failure and the smell of desperation coming off what is becoming a rapidly decaying situation for BFL. One really wonders how anyone could possibly defend their actions business wise at this point. Simply posting ad hominem attacks doesn't make what BFL is doing any less transparent. They are tanking badly for the whole world to see.

Here is the real kicker. If some people in this very forum can get an open source avalon asic designed pcb and marry the chips to hash before the majority of these BFL orders are shipped that pretty much sums up the level of failure. I hope for the customer that isn't the outcome, but to be honest with all the vitriol caused by BFL's own hand the company doesn't deserve any sympathy and that is why I think many even some of their own customers are secretly wishing it implodes and the company fails to deliver simply because of the lies that have been told and muck that was raked and puffery that is still being put out by BFL even when we all know what is really behind the curtain. Few people will want to side with a company that acts like they have market cornered only to flounder and fail to deliver. They have made this bed and they will lie in it and hopefully the whole bitcoin community learns the lesson and remembers never to order from these pricks again.