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Quote from: Tamerz on May 02, 2013, 03:44:30 PM

OK, maybe my memory is not serving me well...

Didn't they basically "waste" a whole wafer testing when the testing rig didn't work? Then they had another wafer, which is probably where the ones made so far came from.

Pretty sure that is all they had?

Yes they "burned"(no clue wtf that actually means) their first wafer just to make sure the logic and cores worked properly. They(the Asic designers not BFL) setup a chip(s) in a test rig without bumping it. There are some pictures out there showing the chip with wires and crap coming out of it. (I might be using the wrong terminology for this stuff, please don't flame). From what I remember that wafer had better results then the other chips that were bumped and put on the 5 gh boards/Luke's unit coming from the other wafer.

Again, this is just my understanding of the situation. I just go by what I have read.

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OK, maybe my memory is not serving me well...

Didn't they basically "waste" a whole wafer testing when the testing rig didn't work? Then they had another wafer, which is probably where the ones made so far came from.

Pretty sure that is all they had?

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Quote from: computerparts on May 02, 2013, 03:10:23 PM

Quote from: dykast on May 02, 2013, 01:23:33 PM

Back on topic. There are no broken wafers. I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

Then why did the status suddenly go from waiting on boards to waiting on the next batch of chips? Are the yields complete shit? Last I knew, the chips were fine and they were just waiting on boards. But now they're waiting for another batch of chips. What happened with the last batch?

From the information I have seen, and yes it's confusing as all hell, so don't take this as some sort of definitive answer. The chips that they did/do have have gone into/are going into the 5 gh machines. I think in terms of the next "batch" they are talking about the "big" 75 wafer order.

This is from Josh from the shoutbox on 5/1

"I believe the boards are done, but we're waiting on the next set of chips. Should have that by the end of the week. Still will need to get the firmware to talk to the new boards, but that should be fairly trivial. Assuming no issues with the PCB on an electrical/physical level, we might be able to start shipment of LS/Singles next week."

Going by this and BFL time, i doubt we will see any little/big singles shipping for at least 3 weeks or more.

I only came into this thread because i knew there wasn't a broken wafer, and give people waffles.

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Quote from: dykast on May 02, 2013, 01:23:33 PM

Back on topic. There are no broken wafers. I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

Then why did the status suddenly go from waiting on boards to waiting on the next batch of chips? Are the yields complete shit? Last I knew, the chips were fine and they were just waiting on boards. But now they're waiting for another batch of chips. What happened with the last batch?

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Quote from: rograz on May 02, 2013, 02:56:17 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:23:07 PM

Quote from: DataPlumber on May 02, 2013, 12:20:54 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then? Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

I wish I had some waffles, that picture earlier almost killed me from the lack of waffles in my house Sad

I will be dreaming about waffles tonight, then just as I'm about to eat them someone is going to steal them from me, waffle nightmares.

Waffle!

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Quote from: rograz on May 02, 2013, 02:56:17 PM

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:23:07 PM

Quote from: DataPlumber on May 02, 2013, 12:20:54 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then? Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have orders for a similar amount but to me waffles are more important so can we please get back on topic, the waffle topic that is.

I wish I had some waffles, that picture earlier almost killed me from the lack of waffles in my house Sad

I will be dreaming about waffles tonight, then just as I'm about to eat them someone is going to steal them from me, waffle nightmares.

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Quote from: Schrankwand on May 02, 2013, 02:21:21 PM

Quote from: firefop on May 02, 2013, 01:43:31 PM

Quote from: mobodick on May 02, 2013, 01:21:14 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 11:19:07 AM

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

So if I understand you correctly, it's ok to be an asshole, so long as the level of awesome is large enough to eclipse the level of asshole. But if more asshole peeks out than can be effectively hidden by the awesome, it immediately becomes fail?

I believe this can be applied to other areas too, such as arrogance and competence, or annoying vs entertaining.

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Quote from: firefop on May 02, 2013, 01:43:31 PM

Quote from: mobodick on May 02, 2013, 01:21:14 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 11:19:07 AM

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

You see, that is true. There is however a difference between being tough and awesome and being an asshole.

Compare what Donald Trump does all day to what Josh did here. That is the difference. I think Josh has the potential, if he starts cranking the awesome up a little more.

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Quote from: firefop on May 02, 2013, 01:43:31 PM

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

Some of us are not into being figuratively sodomized with thousands of our own dollars, this close to a possible shipping schedule.

Quote from: firefop on May 02, 2013, 01:43:31 PM

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.
Keep it up Josh.

Pray tell, what state are you talking about ?

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Quote from: mobodick on May 02, 2013, 01:21:14 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 11:19:07 AM

The problem is, for everyone one of you that says NO WAY IN HELL there are three others that are refreshed by the fact that I don't cater to whiny customers, so the point is really moot.

Great way to piss all over your customers, Josh.
It really condenses your past behaviour in one simple post.
Bravo.

The thing is: I'm a customer - and enjoy watching josh smack down the liars and the morons. Too often people in general (and companies chasing 'customer satisfaction') resort to giving hugs and wiping various orifices of their customers with soft tissue paper.

If more of us were honest and willing to be vocal about it the world wouldn't be in nearly the state that it's in.

Keep it up Josh.

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A WHOLE HOUSE OF WAFFLES!!!

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Quote from: dykast on May 02, 2013, 01:23:33 PM

Back on topic. There are no broken wafers. I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

But I didn't get my waffle!!!

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Back on topic. There are no broken wafers. I think OP somehow got confused with the wafer that was burned months ago for testing.

/thread

This can be closed now or moved to off topic since it's turned into another bfl troll/fanboy thread.

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Quote from: kano on May 02, 2013, 12:01:17 PM

Quote from: Tehfiend on May 01, 2013, 03:28:10 PM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 02:37:19 PM

This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.

The only problem with your rationalization that "the problem is Bitcointalk" is that you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom. They have also had some issues and delays yet the attitude towards them is drastically different. If what you claim about these forums was true then Bitsyncom would also be experiencing the same response that you are. Care to explain this anomaly?

Um right? You missed reality there.
Firstly you stated "you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom" - which is incorrect, not many, but not zero.
However, anyone with an Avalon order knows that if they get on GitSyncom's bad side, their order may be delayed or lost.
That's why the Avalon orders are silent about the fact that Avalon stopped shipping quite a while ago and have delayed for about 2 months so far and not shipped anything that they were able to produce and ship 3.5 months ago.
... even though according to them, the money you give them is used to produce your product (and thus you have no option for a refund) but also apparently it hasn't been producing the products at all ... ...

I'm sorry but the behavior is not the same. If I remember correctly, somebody actually took ads out to advertise BFL's shipping delays on these forums. There is literally a mob of anti-BFL vigilantes patrolling this forum. Yes both companies have pissed off customers but my point is that the way Josh is handling it is the source of the extreme controversy you see here, not to forum itself as he claims. I will make my point with one simple quote Yufi made in his dispute with you:

Quote from: BitSyncom on February 09, 2013, 07:25:41 AM

Well, then. I man up and apologizes for doubting your intention. I suppose I read too much into it, and now can move on to better things.

I haven't been afraid of stating my concerns with Bitsyncom here because I trust Yufi. You will not see anything like that from Josh. It's his behavior that is damaging BFL's credibility more than the delays themselves IMO.

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 07:40:03 AM

Quote from: Inaba on May 01, 2013, 11:39:30 PM

Ok, now this shit be funny.

A little bit incredulous that you think being so late to deliver your product is something you should find funny.

Way to continue fostering a positive and healthy image for Butterfly Labs !

It was meant as a joke, dude. Cheesy

I've been waiting since June 2012 on my pre-order, so I seriously understand everyone's frustration, but there's nothing much anyone can do but wait and see how the redesigned boards / enclosures work.

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:23:07 PM

Quote from: DataPlumber on May 02, 2013, 12:20:54 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then? Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

I have one on order too. But I probably placed mine much later, when there was no longer any deadline credibility to lose. So if you expected November delivery, then yeah, I feel for ya, because this has been a timeline disaster.

But I don't necessarily think this is a good enough excuse to try to destroy any remaining value of the forum as a place for useful discussion. If I had another place to go to try to find a useful discussion about what's going on at BFL, I'd go there.

As it is, there are a few people that jump on any BFL thread and do everything they can to hijack/destroy them. And that disappoints me. So I'm trying to somewhat counterbalance the anger with rationality.

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Quote from: DataPlumber on May 02, 2013, 12:20:54 PM

Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then? Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

I have 4 orders for BFL Single SC's @ 60GH/s. Ask me why I'm angry again.

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Quote from: Xian01 on May 02, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

Your shill is showing.

Took longer than I expected for that particular ad hominem to be flung, but still less than 24 hours.

Should I assume you're a shill for Avalon, then? Or can we just not play that lame, stupid game..?

Xian01

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Quote from: DataPlumber on May 02, 2013, 12:13:28 PM

God help him if he ever simply posts "Yes." to a question. You could make him agree to anything!

God help him if he ever answers a direct question without resorting to cries of "Troll".

Your shill is showing.

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