So who brought up the waffles... hmmmm dimsum vs waffles.... hmmm.
Topic: BFL Wafer Broke? - page 9. (Read 13742 times)
I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.
Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.
Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.
Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.
Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.
I confirmed my orders as well. It's unfortunate to see people supporting and applauding Josh's unprofessionalism on these forums.
I got my update email and accepted the new specs post-haste.
http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=3af5f83481&e=07b9e37e2a
Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.
Can't wait to start raking in the (even moar) dough.
Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.
http://us6.campaign-archive1.com/?u=5015fc3486176144c53751877&id=3af5f83481&e=07b9e37e2a
Trollz gon troll; haterz gon hate.
Can't wait to start raking in the (even moar) dough.
Josh / Inaba, you are rule; please continue to bring the harsh yet just reality of verbal meatspace to the noosphere.
Inaba why you dont tell us where the other Wafer you have and how long it take to ship our product to be honest worst investment i did.
He won't tell us anything. He's too busy silencing dissent on the BFL shout-box and refusing to answer difficult, pointed questions.
Dude just plain does not give a fuck about this place, his behavior, his customers, or his companies public image.
Inaba why you dont tell us where the other Wafer you have and how long it take to ship our product to be honest worst investment i did.
Wow some of you guys must have A LOT of time on your hands. I'd really like to know what happened with the chips. Some say wafer busted, some say chips lost. Will we ever know what really happened?
My reckoning is the "busted" wafer being mentioned may actually the "burned" wafer that was sacrificed for early testing in a wire-bonding rig.
Or they could be having yield problems, and one wafer in particular aside from the "burned" one was so bad it had to be scrapped entirely.
It sounds a bit like they are hoping for better results from their next round of wafers. Whether this is the second set of 6 wafers, or the set of 50+ "mass production" wafers being waited on at this point, I'm not clear on.
Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.
Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh. You might want to check yourself 
Manic depressive disorder would also explain his outbursts. He seems to disappear for lengthy periods, only to burst onto the scene calling people liars and trolls but seldom addressing the underlying issues. He does not seem rational or have any patience.
Except, you're the one obsessing about BFL and me personally, heh. You might want to check yourself
Couldn't have been more perfect.
Questions for you: Were does BFL post official statements? Is it the bullshit on their always outdated homepage ("... we are in final stage development")? Buried in deep shit on their forums? On grnbrgs Twitter feed? ... where are those official statements you're talking about?
I've been under the impression that the official updates would be posted here since that is what is linked after you order. You'll notice the "more to come in the next day or two" is more than 2 weeks over due yet Josh somehow has plenty of time do damage control on these "irrelevant" forums that he just bought advertising on.Great thread and discussion, guys.
Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
According to this topic, Josh posted that a wafer "was mostly trashed". Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
Great thread and discussion, guys.
Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
I agree. Please address the concerns of the community, rather than childish insults and poor customer service (both parties).
Great thread and discussion, guys.
Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
Can we try to get back on topic?
Computerparts, Where does this broken wafer info come from?
Josh, could you please address the topic of the thread instead of responding to insults?
This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.
The only problem with your rationalization that "the problem is Bitcointalk" is that you don't see this same behavior towards Bitsyncom. They have also had some issues and delays yet the attitude towards them is drastically different. If what you claim about these forums was true then Bitsyncom would also be experiencing the same response that you are. Care to explain this anomaly?
Let me fix that for you:
Questions for you: Were does BFL post official statements? Is it the bullshit on their always outdated homepage ("... we are in final stage development")? Buried in deep shit on their forums? On grnbrgs Twitter feed? ... where are those official statements you're talking about?
I thought BFL stopped using bitcointalk the Internet for official statements anyway, the info you just posted kind of supports that as well doesn't it. So anything Josh posts here these days is HIS PERSONAL views/estimates insults and blatant lies, as was already said.
Questions for you: Were does BFL post official statements? Is it the bullshit on their always outdated homepage ("... we are in final stage development")? Buried in deep shit on their forums? On grnbrgs Twitter feed? ... where are those official statements you're talking about?
Drama
Always drama going on in this subforum. I got tired of debating this stuff months ago and only pop in to voice my opinion every now and then.
BFL has been quiet since they received their new PCB last Friday. I'm speculating that the power problem was not fixed with this revision, otherwise they'd have shown it off by now in pics or a video.
I hope all you debaters (and some of you masterdebaters
) are doing well,
Cheers,
Ch
Always drama going on in this subforum. I got tired of debating this stuff months ago and only pop in to voice my opinion every now and then.
BFL has been quiet since they received their new PCB last Friday. I'm speculating that the power problem was not fixed with this revision, otherwise they'd have shown it off by now in pics or a video.
I hope all you debaters (and some of you masterdebaters
) are doing well,Cheers,
Ch
Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood...
He has a point, since in many posts I am quoting an assertion made by Inaba that has turned out to be false.
Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.
Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.
This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.
He then addressed me to de-escalate my interactions in PM. Which I then sent the PM to TheyMos (Site Admin).
TheyMos then agreed that Josh was....I don't recall the wording exactly...but something akin to an asshole. He thought I should post it publicly. Josh (in the midst of his threatening PM) asked me not to reveal the PM at that time.
I told Josh that he could not prevent me from bringing my complaint to BFL (his employers). Since then he and I have never gotten along. Since then he and I have been cats and dogs.
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For months now, Inaba has been spreading all kinds of baloney. If you believe him, without actually looking into his claims, then you deserve to be duped. Do you homework first and read up, then make your decision.
If it hasn't become pretty obvious by now, he has a pretty low standing in the community due to....all sorts of things.
The only reason why people even treat him amicably is because he has others pre-order money and probably because they REALLY (I mean REALLY) want the e-money printing machine. (Jalapeno, Little Single, Single, MiniRig)
If it weren't for their pre-order money and a hopeful promise, I doubt most customers would tolerate Josh/Inaba for any length of time.
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I personally think Josh knows this, so that is why he is such an asshole. He doesn't have to be nice. Not to customers or even to prospective customers. He knows people will lose their pre-order if they lose their cool. So they don't and bite their lip. They are willful "hostages" as another BFL customer mentioned in his "quiet rage" at Inabas/Josh postings and surreal attitude.
Keep in mind what you getting into before you send funds to BFL. That is all. Read up on the past, then with that information you will make your own informed decisions.
Im not sure what more unreal, that the wafer is "lost" like some homework that the dog ate, there was no official announcement about this, the fact that this guy is the COO and public face of a multimillion dollar company, or that he hasnt been fired and replaced by someone who is well suited for the job.
It might ship next week. Uh-huh. Sure. Right. Just like it was gonna ship next week in December of 2012?
Its all pretty mindblowing. I wonder how many people are cancelling preorders this week vs how many new orders are coming in.
It could all just collapse very quickly now for them, especially if BTC has a bad week/month, all of BFL may go poof and "relocate" to a China which has no extradition policy with the USA.
It might ship next week. Uh-huh. Sure. Right. Just like it was gonna ship next week in December of 2012?
Its all pretty mindblowing. I wonder how many people are cancelling preorders this week vs how many new orders are coming in.
It could all just collapse very quickly now for them, especially if BTC has a bad week/month, all of BFL may go poof and "relocate" to a China which has no extradition policy with the USA.
Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.
Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.
This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.
You know, not for nothing, but you guys have an 'official' forum with an 'official' announcements board that you don't seem to use. This lets people make all sorts of wild speculations. It also sounds like BFL is a bunch of talented engineers, and as such tend to think every design will only have minimal problems so they base the estimates on that. Failing to take into account stuff doesn't always work correctly and any estimate should be worst case scenario. Take the current drama going on about the new pcb/chips you 'should' have them by the end of the week ? Realistically you should estimate them coming in 2 weeks and base the public info on that. That gives time for shipping delays or other unforeseen issues. Then _IF_ they come in on time and the work as expected you guys look like heroes. So from the rumor mill (which is all we realistically have to go by) are you not shipping/building anything while you wait for the new batch of whatever? (see a post in the 'official' announcements board would go along way)
THIS ^^ Your approach is flawed. Treating others how they treat you does not give a good image to customers and possible future customers.
If you treat your current customers badly...likely the future ones will hear about it and then it is a recursive endless death spiral.
One line that has always held true: Pride goes before a fall. You are no special case. PirateAt40 was prideful, MNW was too, Bruce Wagner as well...see a pattern yet?
BFL and you Josh are on that path with your outrageous claims on delivery times, speeds, power, prices, and not to mention your immature manner on the forums as the COO of BFL.
I may be a troll and sometimes immature but then again I am NOT the COO of BFL. Big difference buddy lol.
If you treat your current customers badly...likely the future ones will hear about it and then it is a recursive endless death spiral.
One line that has always held true: Pride goes before a fall. You are no special case. PirateAt40 was prideful, MNW was too, Bruce Wagner as well...see a pattern yet?
BFL and you Josh are on that path with your outrageous claims on delivery times, speeds, power, prices, and not to mention your immature manner on the forums as the COO of BFL.
I may be a troll and sometimes immature but then again I am NOT the COO of BFL. Big difference buddy lol.
... and he hits it out of the park ! It's a Grand Slam Home Run folks !
Agreed to a certain extent. But still, common sense if nothing else tells you to treat people who have given you, or may give you money, with some respect.
Respect is earned and not bought, if someone behaves like an idiot I expect them to be treated like an idiot independent of the size of their wallet.
This is pretty much the long and short of it. If you actually go back in my post history and look at the people who approach me in a rational, honest way, they get the same in response. Approach with an irrational, trollish way, spouting lies and BS... well, you get what you deserve. Take k9quaint and PL as prime examples. Every post they make for the most part contains at least one lie or falsehood, doctored up to support their flawed positions and irrational hatered of BFL, so they get the same in return. In contrast, take any post that has a mature tone and rational content, and you'll see my responses are equally rational and helpful. The problem is, Bitcointalk has very little of the latter and is comprised almost entirely of the former.
Is it true that the wafer is broken and that we (customers) are back to square one?
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