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Posted for the purposes of discussion.
Posted for the purposes of discussion.
Nothing to discuss. They don't have a working board yet. Those "numbers" aren't accurate.
Topic: {BFL} WHAT THE!! ButterflyLads WONT deliver the Monarch Till...ONLY GOD KNOWs?:( - page 9. (Read 47940 times)
May 23, 2014, 12:10:05 PM
Nothing to discuss. They don't have a working board yet. Those "numbers" aren't accurate.
May 23, 2014, 12:07:39 PM
So - yes, I am looking forward to what chip BFL comes up with... And test results are proving to be quite interesting:
LOL that's not a test result, that's a marketing graph silly!
Posted for the purposes of discussion. Original graph has been edited to add some detail based on the rough numbers being posted in the graph.
Anyone know of a water loop that can handle more than 400 watts and which is also being employed by BFL in their products?
May 23, 2014, 12:06:00 PM
I don't see it that way, and neither should you...
How is your WASP project coming along for that matter? You've been busy with that for half a year now and got 1 testing rig... You off all people should understand the difficulty and complexity that goes into product development.
Yes, maybe they should have done some things (mainly in communication) differently in the past. But still... There's not a lot of people out there really doing this product development so maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit more patient with them before hanging them out to dry (yes, three times, I know)....
How is your WASP project coming along for that matter? You've been busy with that for half a year now and got 1 testing rig... You off all people should understand the difficulty and complexity that goes into product development.
Yes, maybe they should have done some things (mainly in communication) differently in the past. But still... There's not a lot of people out there really doing this product development so maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit more patient with them before hanging them out to dry (yes, three times, I know)....
Are you comparing taking money for pre-orders for some unreal delivery dates with a self-funded project who never took pre-order money? Really? This is the best that you managed to spit out?
I can't figure if you are just a clone of retard Inaba or shill bcp.
May 23, 2014, 11:34:57 AM
[...]Let me clarify for you even further. I agree [edit.: with the no-pre-order-policy and best-product-of-the-shelf-buy].
I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.
But this really is not my experience; I ordered my Single's in december off the shelf...I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.
And as I said: I - for one - truly hope they're not "done", seeing their "lying" as growing pains/miscommunication and never having seen any proof/sentence for "scamming".
So as far as I'm concerned we're too far off to ever reach a common ground here. We agree on the most important principles (no-pre-order et cetera) and agree to disagree on BFL. (Off to diner, or my wife will..
It was PRE-USED. Not new.
They are done. They can't compete with China or Spondoolies. It is over for BFL. Nothing on the drawing board now. They can't even finish a 28nm PCB and it is something that is already many times more expensive than what is available when you put in all the extra pieces that you need to get it working. Cooked. Add to that the executives are buying up real estate to protect their assets you know this all going to come crashing down. Sonny V will be wearing prison orange again.
May 23, 2014, 11:29:21 AM
[...]Let me clarify for you even further. I agree [edit.: with the no-pre-order-policy and best-product-of-the-shelf-buy].
I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.
But this really is not my experience; I ordered my Single's in december off the shelf...I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is basic done. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace.
And as I said: I - for one - truly hope they're not "done", seeing their "lying" as growing pains/miscommunication and never having seen any proof/sentence for "scamming".
So as far as I'm concerned we're too far off to ever reach a common ground here. We agree on the most important principles (no-pre-order et cetera) and agree to disagree on BFL. (Off to diner, or my wife will..
May 23, 2014, 11:23:38 AM
I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out.
Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
Those numbers don't mean a lot without the total picture (6283 ut of how many? Anyone can file lawsuits, it's the ruling that matters. Innocent till proven guilty and all that...)Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
For me it's even simpler:
1. Never, EVER, pre-order; and,
2. The best product (again: on the market) gets bought (in this case best :$/Gh/W) eventually...
Let me clarify for you even further. I agree.
I would however add that BFL has NEVER EVER put out product that is NEW and off the shelf. Everything has been pre-order or pre-used. Their best product is 2x the lowest price product available off the shelf. BFL is done they were done 16 months ago. They have lied too much and scammed too much to be a player in the marketplace. There is NOTHING they can pretend to put on the drawing board next that people are going to believe is better or be able to be delivered in a 6 month less development window as that is the pace of development now if you take what Spondoolies is doing 2 chips developments at the same time.
6000 paypal complaints means just that.
283 FTC complaints means just that.
Most of that was from a year span on their 65nm chip based products. That is a SIGNIFICANT number of complaints to be filed about BFL in 18 month window. You seem to want to argue that there is some sort of reasonable explanation for that sort of volume? 300 complaints a month really?
May 23, 2014, 11:19:10 AM
I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out.
Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
Those numbers don't mean a lot without the total picture (6283 out of how many? Anyone can file lawsuits, it's the ruling that matters. Innocent till proven guilty and all that...)Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
For me it's even simpler:
1. Never, EVER, pre-order; and,
2. The best product (again: on the market) gets bought (in this case best :$/Gh/W) eventually...
PS. and still curious to see this final product... eventually...
May 23, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
I see it as clearly as the 6283 individuals that filed complaints with PayPal and the FTC. I see it as clearly as many of those who have joined the class action lawsuits against BFL. I see it as clearly as I need to see it and that has nothing to do with any other companies or cooperatives trying to put product out. This isn't about the WPC this isn't about SpondooliesTech or Bitmain. It is about B F L.
Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
Ask anyone that is in the WPC or has actually done business with with personally if I am to be trusted. Then compare that with what you know about BFL. There is nothing I have to hide. BFL... they are hiding as much as they can as fast as they can. Let us keep the focus on the real problem. BFL lies and takes people's hard earned money and doesn't refund promptly or at all according to FTC rules.
Again the simple facts BFL is not to be trusted. Do not buy BFL. Simple.
Ask anyone that is in the WPC or has actually done business with with personally if I am to be trusted. Then compare that with what you know about BFL. There is nothing I have to hide. BFL... they are hiding as much as they can as fast as they can. Let us keep the focus on the real problem. BFL lies and takes people's hard earned money and doesn't refund promptly or at all according to FTC rules.
May 23, 2014, 11:11:02 AM
[...]Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?
Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.
If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.
They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on Eclipse.
I don't see it that way, and neither should you...Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.
If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.
They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on Eclipse.
How is your WASP project coming along for that matter? You've been busy with that for half a year now and got 1 testing rig... You off all people should understand the difficulty and complexity that goes into product development.
Yes, maybe they should have done some things (mainly in communication) differently in the past. But still... There's not a lot of people out there really doing this product development so maybe, just maybe, we should be a bit more patient with them before hanging them out to dry (yes, three times, I know)....
May 23, 2014, 11:10:34 AM
You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?
Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.
If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.
They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on the Eclipse pool.
Where is a REAL board doing REAL hashing? Till that is available they can keep saying the magic unicorn will hash 1 Th/s all they like. Given how long it has been now and the competition out there you don't have to wait for their unicorns.
Not to go off topic Bicknellski, but your link for World of Marvel comes up as a virus threat by Sophos Antivirus.
I really wanted to click, since I'm watching X-Men this weekend.
May 23, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
Listen buddy. BFL lies to the community. If you want to support that then you are going to get backlash. There are still millions of dollars tied up and refunds are not coming to people who have asked for them. So if you are somehow not adamant about calling out BFL and their BS what are the hell are you doing?
Seriously they set power numbers they were wrong last time.
They said December 2013 it is May 2014.
If you want talk about the pretty graph great... where can this data be independently verified? Does Luke Jr. have a working unit that we don't know about yet that he "got" sitting on a BFL test bench hashing away? Listen these slimy BFL bastards had their chance to be upstanding fabricators. Let us just simply tell the truth.
They are untrustworthy. No one should buy anything from them including mining on the Eclipse pool.
Where is a REAL board doing REAL hashing? Till that is available they can keep saying the magic unicorn will hash 1 Th/s all they like. Given how long it has been now and the competition out there you don't have to wait for their unicorns.
May 23, 2014, 10:59:08 AM
You know I'm with you on this Bicknellski... (saying- once again, and especially to all the newbees out there: NEVER PRE-ORDER!)
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
And, just for the record - AGAIN: am mining on Antminer S1's myself here... better one bird[...] et cetera...
Am just saying I am interested in seeing this final product and see the advancement in ASIC/chip technology...
But seems like anyone not being adamantly against BFL on this forum is not appreciated...
And, just for the record - AGAIN: am mining on Antminer S1's myself here... better one bird[...] et cetera...
May 23, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
[...]
I thought we were comparing W per GH ?
Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?
Yes, and then you still have to see it in its time perspective... (or do you compare specs on a 1968 Stingray to a 2013 McLaren?)I thought we were comparing W per GH ?
Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?
Where is this pretty monarch to match the pretty graph again?
Did it fly far far away to Kansas...
May 23, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
And how much does it cost today and if I order today when will I see it?
Sorry but fuck the graphs where is the product?
If BFL has nothing on the shelf the whole conversation here about power etc is bullshit yet again... the best chip doesn't mean squat if it isn't hashing in a customers hands. That is the issue. BFL has never done that part well. They never will and given they tried 3 times now we might want to suspect they do it on purpose. Don't buy the graph buy hardware that ships from reputable companies. DON'T BUY BFL bottomline.
Sorry but fuck the graphs where is the product?
If BFL has nothing on the shelf the whole conversation here about power etc is bullshit yet again... the best chip doesn't mean squat if it isn't hashing in a customers hands. That is the issue. BFL has never done that part well. They never will and given they tried 3 times now we might want to suspect they do it on purpose. Don't buy the graph buy hardware that ships from reputable companies. DON'T BUY BFL bottomline.
May 23, 2014, 10:55:07 AM
I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.
No, just stating you have to make a fair "time comparison" or is that too complicated for you?Anyhow, see we ran into a "Dead horse" again... have fun!
May 23, 2014, 10:54:27 AM
psst...
How much will it cost in a pcb, with a psu, in a case and where is it and when will it be delivered?
mic drop.
How much will it cost in a pcb, with a psu, in a case and where is it and when will it be delivered?
mic drop.
May 23, 2014, 10:53:27 AM
[...]
I thought we were comparing W per GH ?
Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?
Yes, and then you still have to see it in its time perspective... (or do you compare specs on a 1968 Stingray to a 2013 McLaren?) I thought we were comparing W per GH ?
Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?
May 23, 2014, 10:51:54 AM
I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.
True, La la land. Or better yet...Kansas.
May 23, 2014, 10:51:19 AM
I think he is claiming "Artistic License" on his mathematical comparison scenarios.
May 23, 2014, 10:51:06 AM
So? You're still comparing apples and oranges here Chucky... (Although prob. my Antminers use "a bit more" power [not to mention: produce a lot more heat] since I run them at 400mhz, and the Single's aren't so easily overclockable...).
I thought we were comparing W per GH ?
Isn't that what the pretty graph was all about?
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