Topic: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes) - page 176. (Read 243386 times)

Thanks for the response.

I agree that there can't be a "love it or leave it" mentality. Calling out problems and mistakes are fine. Making people feel like trash because of it, or saying they suck, or are a joke, or a scam, or don't know what they are doing - that crosses the line to me. I don't THINK we are disagreeing, but yes, if I failed to clarify that it doesn't have to be sunshine and rainbows, let me do that now.

I don't think it is about being thin-skinned, though. Maybe a little, maybe that's fair. But I think it is odd and sad that the more good we try to do, the more negativity is attracted. I know, I know, "haters gonna hate." And sometimes we all make bone-headed mistakes, or bad calls. No point in pretending otherwise.

In any event, I'm trying REALLY hard to live in that gray area you mentioned, I really am.

Thanks a lot Nox!

I know that this post resonates well with those who want to be merciful, as Jesus wants us to be.  For those who look past prior flaws, and want to do the greater good for the community.

It does not resonate well with people who think you are picking on them, or calling out flaws in people - but this is truly constructive criticism.

It reminds me of a productive way to rate another persons positive attributes:  their character and their capability.  If I were to talk to you on the phone for 5 minutes, I would immediately be reminded that :  You had a high level of moral character, and that you had a positive capability.  (You were interested in improving our POBH bluepaper, and you immediately helped instead of complaining).  I wrote these notes down in my guide for 'reputation scores' as I think these will be beneficial in the future.  Obviously, we would be very sensitive to normal users who just mine with biblepay, but I do believe there is a way to establish a Christian presence per user that is edifying for everyone that improves reputation scores for those that act in a good way, and the community destroys those rep scores for people who become a net negative on our community reputation as a whole.

I appreciate the thought behind the post. I will have to disagree mildly with this part:

" if your post is mean-spirited or bashing on our mission, team, or implementation, just go"

The problem is, who gets to define what "bashing our mission and implementation" is? If the implementation has problems, I say go ahead and bash it. It's when projects only have "yes men" attached, do they truly go off the rails. "Bashing" is really in the eye of those who feel slighted. IMO. the project has made some funky decisions, and it's stirred things up in the community. Am I being negative feeling that way? Maybe.

I'm not suggesting people bring bad attitudes to their posts. I am suggesting that anyone who thinks they know exactly what appropriate criticism is and isn't, is probably not speaking for everybody. The problem is nobody can seem to define the edge where valid criticism becomes unproductive. There's a whole gray area between cheerleading and being slovakia. We should make sure and no alienate anyone who feels alienated, that they are heard. For those that just want to post nonsense let's just smile.

If Christianity and any of us here are so thin-skinned that we can't take some bashing, then maybe our little coin isn't ready for top 200 yet? I don't get why we get so thin-skinned among ourselves, and hope to change the world?

When people get down to "love it or leave it", it's usually a sign of some serious problems. Nobody wants baseless negativity, and nobody really wants censorship either. I'd like to see us take criticism in stride with a genuine smile and interest. Fighting negativity only gives it power. Let the mods do their cleanup, and let's press on.

OK, I admit, I'm a little bit angry. Frustrated. But I've reflected, and prayed, and I feel like I should say something. (I should also say this has nothing to do with Jim's post above, which was much appreciated!)

There is no good to be found in gleeful schadenfreude. In trying to be Christ-like, people may be corrected in love, or even disagreed with sternly. Opinions and voices can get raised. But at no point should we be celebrating hard times or trials that come to another person.

Anyone who does that just doesn't have a place in this community. That's on BCT, discord, reddit, the BBP forum, SX, etc. Can I stop anyone? No, absolutely not. I can't control anyone. But I will say strongly and pleadingly that hate doesn't belong here. No one should defame another, no one should wish ill will on a group trying their best to serve Christ, even if it is happening in a way that isn't what you would do.

If you don't like the policies, or the changes, or the price, or the roadmap, or the people, then I don't know why you're here. To stir up trouble? To shame people into change? I don't know, but I can't stay silent.

Please, if your post is mean-spirited or bashing on our mission, team, or implementation, just go. Get involved in another coin, another mission. Challenging is fine, debating is fine, but I just can't see any value in celebrating hard times or spreading rumors. It helps nobody. Not you (if you are a holder now, at least), not those who benefit from the charitable donations, and not those interested outside parties who might learn more about Christ through our community.

I'm going to suggest something that probably won't be popular...but it's a suggestion nonetheless. In times of great disappointment, personal conflict, etc I would recommend the following steps:
1) Talk to God about it, honestly. Tell Him you're upset, that you're hurt, that what the other person did hurt you.
2) Ask Him to help you see in the other person what He sees. Ask for help to forgive. Admit that you may have hurt the other person in ways you don't recognize.
3) Admit that you don't know how to reconcile the situation, and that you can't change the other person. Ask God to work in your heart, and in the other party's, to be a better reflection of Him to the world.
4) Pray that the other person gets what you feel they lack. Do they lack wisdom? Are their hearts pointed in the wrong direction? Are they quick to anger and slow to listen, hard-headed? Petition Him to make the other person more complete, more whole, and more joyful. Pray that they receive the fruits of the spirit and that God would draw them close.
5) Ask for an opportunity, divinely provided, for you to be a part of the change, in the way that God would want. Ask too for Him to work powerfully in you, and for Him to do the things in you that only He can.
6) Ask for peace of mind. Ask that God would take the hurt and anger, and allow you to rest in the Creator's goodness.
7) Wait. God's work isn't done on command, in seconds. He works His way, in His time. Rest and take comfort in Him.

I'm also going to throw out a non-biblical reference to the serenity prayer, that old standard. Serenity, peace - accepting that we can't change certain situations (or people) ourselves. Courage to take steps to be our best, to make amends when necessary, to look deeply at ourselves. And Wisdom - God's wisdom, not man's - to understand what is "our" problem to solve, and what is "His."

I wish you all the healing and comfort of a God who forgives all, and grants the peace promised in Romans 5:1.

Thank you Jim, I appreciate the dedication and the comments and updates.

And I want you to know that I am all for working hand-in-hand with the Gridcoin Organization in the future (from a Biblepay/Gridcoin integration perspective) in sharing future features that will help both communities after we finish our first stable version of Evo towards the end of 2019 (after we release Christian spaces and the homomorphic encryption project) and Gridcoin finishes the Neural Network, then we can circle back and see what kinds of complementary value we can provide each other.

In the mean time I wish you the richest blessings.

Rob,

I wanted to thank you for your very gracious letter to the Gridcoin community, and for the smooth transition to the current core group at Gridcoin, of which I am a member. I feel we have a very talented group of developers and other leaders that will continue to carry forward what you created. May God bless you for success with BiblePay!

Best regards,

Jim Owens

We are only a few days away from testing Deterministic-Sancs here:
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.msg5798#msg5798

Please help us in testnet after the next version is released.

I spoke to RattleR at GIN today and he confirmed they have upgraded their platform to handle Deterministic Sanctuaries (Evolution).

So this is a positive thing for us as we will not be hindered while transitioning.

Excellent summary! I added a note in the talk page - travelling this week and don't have time to contribute the way I want to, but I'm willing to jump in on that when I return.

For family members who don't believe we are in the end-times:

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Imminence_of_Jesus

Enjoy your bitcointalk ban.  

I realize we have been through an absolutely massive amount of changes and this is partially because the IT requirements list in this project has expanded beyond the original scope
 required for a launch and then software maintenance (even for a DAC).

But let me put your mind at ease in a couple areas.  Inside the Evo release, we are no longer looking at individual requirements to fulfill an objective.  We are now actually making a generic extensible abstraction layer that I believe can handle all of the DAC requirements in the future. (Including decentralized orphanage contracts and Cioccolanti's integration ideas and web tipping and HTML5 and all that).

So what this means is the end is coming for continual changes (and I don't want those either, I'm on board with this).
The other very large item is our change to be rebase proof that is coming.  Starting in Evo, we are going to release code in a way where we continually honor Dash's future prod commits as they commit also (meaning this will future proof biblepay).

Regarding the actual content you do have a say.  Please join us in the testnet thread and test Evo and paste wishlist items.  I want Evo to be easy to use for everyone + Grandma.  

Finally, even though Evo looks daunting because of acronyms, we are still going to create a dashboard for Grandma towards the end of the cycle so you can drive Evo like a normal car.

Daemonko, you have been warned - please dont post here again otherwise the btctalk mods will ban you and you will lose your privileges everywhere.

Guys, using the word scam in this thread is pure insult.

We have our issues like every community, mostly circling around democracy and the voice of community members; but even the loudest opposition here does not claim we were scammed.

I for one, strongly think and voice the need for Rob to slow down on changes and consult more with community members.

I have invested in this coin, and lost some money. But so has Rob. We are all on the same boat here.

What gives me some peace of mind is that this coin, successful or not in the market, managed to send over $150k to the needy. If you have any evidence against that, I will be the first to distribute this info all over social media. But until then, please refrain from such allegations.

Don't forget to rest a bit and enjoy life.
God bless you good man 

Gridcoin was launched October 16th, 2013,
This means Rob potentially has over 5 1/2 years experience working on cryptocurrencies
Amazing!

There had been unconfirmed rumours of this for some time...  Now the official stance is Rob Halford = Rob Andrews.

So yes, the document says Rob moved away from GRC to found BiblePay

Well thanks a lot guys, I appreciate it!

So I just want to say I am committed to working on BiblePay full time now!

Starting tomorrow, no day job, no irons in the fire (except God's Kingdom), 100% BiblePay.  Let's streamline this baby and blow the doors off the crypto-market and rocket up to #25!

Wow, right? Let's go grab some BBP before it moons !!

Is Rob gridcoin's founder?