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Hello Everyone,

I'm mining / podc (when it was active) this coin now for about 5 months.

I have my worries about the fact that this project still is listed on c-cex. This exchange is a fraud, and if you don't believe that, just read the comments in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418700.4560
I would like to insist to the owners of this project to reconsider this exchange. If it works it works, I had my funds there too when I wanted to buy some bbp (it didn't came that far), but this exchange is known for funds that are lost suddenly and account's that are randomly blocked. Luckily my funds are not lost, but at that time when I wanted to generate a bbp wallet the website went down and after a few minutes there appeared an error message on the website. It's not a stable exchange at all, beside that it's a fraud.

I have mentioned earlier that it is a fraud, but it seems nobody cares, since it's still listed in this thread. So I wanted to point this out again.

Thanks for your time.


Best Regards,

Mart1250





yes, c-cex is like weather Smiley, i'm locked now too and it seems that support is not working
few weeks ago it works, if you were trying, you was able to create ticket once per 2-3 days, but now i'm trying maybe 10 days and nothig... and there are only few coins so few users...
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Where can I read everything I need to know about biblepay-evolution?

Some Dash Evo Documentation
https://docs.dash.org/en/latest/introduction/features.html#evolution
https://dashcrypto.org/technology/dash-evolution/
https://github.com/dashpay/dash/blob/v0.13.0.0/doc/release-notes.md

Dash Roadmap
https://www.dash.org/roadmap/

Dash Paper v13
https://issuu.com/dash-coin/docs/dashpaper-v13-v1
(Read by Amanda B Johnson?: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBAsxh6H50)

Dash DIPs (Dash Improvement Proposals)
https://github.com/dashpay/dips

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Dash Releases Evolution's Foundation in Largest Upgrade Ever by Amanda B Johnson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLInZDCIdEo

Dash To Become Immune to 51% Attacks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDIfxfjbpkA

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TestNet - BiblePay-Evolution & GSCs (Generic Smart Contracts)
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.msg5518#msg5518

Generic Smart Contracts
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Generic_Smart_Contracts

Github - BiblePay Evolution
https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay-evolution

BiblePay Roadmap
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Roadmap

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BiblePay is a fork of the Dash code, our code started out as some version of the Dash coin code,
but we havent included (merged in) all the latest Dash code changes (we have had our own developments and only merged in security things)

Dash has released a few new updates called Dash Evolution, and Rob is [adding] those into BiblePay
A little more technical, I believe Rob [starting] with the latest Dash code, and then [putting] all the BiblePay stuff inside of it

Yes, this is exactly right, BiblePay Evolution is going to be our next version, and it includes all the features of Dash Evolution

- deterministic sanctuaries
- chainlocks
- non-financial transactions
- atomic trade
- lightning support
- daaps
- decentralized api
- segwit
- all the new DIPS
- all the latest bitcoin commits for security
- all the stuff that happened over the last year in Dash
- the Depends system for devs
- c++14 source code
- new compiler support
- easier building

Lots of good things to be a base from.  
And we do whats called a "re-base", meaning we merge our biblepay code into Evolution, and offer a new release.  

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With the release of BiblePay-Evolution coming in 60 days, I thought this would be a good time to:

1.  Demonstrate our differences - and explain how/why we are Superior to other cryptos

2.  Compare BiblePay to a potential slot in the Top 100 (I see that our features rank us somewhere between #70 and #100, but I will make a case for #26 once Evolution is released - see chart column D features to achieve #26)

3.  Show exactly where we expect this feature to fit in our release schedule (note that most of these features are being tested in Evo, and only some are held back for Dec 2019 and Dec 2020).

4.  Show our progress over time - how our decisions evolved that resulted in constant improvements to our core platform over time.  See on this matrix how we have transcended from problematic in certain areas, with responsible improvements addressing the problems, and finally releasing a good and permanent solution (See Chart #2).

In the First Chart, (Nutritional Info Guide), you can see some of BiblePay's advanced features.  These are things that are not in other communities wallets.  Obviously over the last 2 years, some features have been removed, but its clear that a significant amount of our code has withstood the test of time and has survived the transition to Evo and is useful to the community.  

The in-wallet bible reader, the decentralized GSC creator/voter, our persisted data storage cache (for prayers, campaigns and points), our anti-gpu and upcoming ABN feature, etc.  The wallet is changing again in it's foundation, to provide new interfaces and abstraction layers (as Q3 approaches) so we will have the base to add our extended UI (HTML5) for example for the features to the far right in the chart.

I also provide a key of definitions for anyone that is not familiar - or if you think we need more explanation for a term.  Please don't hesitate to ask for definitions to be added, and I will modify the wiki!

Finally at the bottom of the page, please see the detail table demonstrating how we have evolved in a positive way.  This shows that we have taken into consideration everything complaints in production (for example, improving Prod reliability as you can see is #1 in paramount importance, anti-fork technology is prioritized to #2, etc).  You can also see that all the work we did in 2018 has not been wasted and that what we learned about botnets and POBH is also still present and has evolved for this next release.

Nutritional Information Guide:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Nutrition_Information

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I spoke to RattleR at GIN today and he confirmed they have upgraded their platform to handle Deterministic Sanctuaries (Evolution).

So this is a positive thing for us as we will not be hindered while transitioning.

GIN Masternode Hosting:
https://p.ginplatform.io/#!/

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I realize we have been through an absolutely massive amount of changes and this is partially because the IT requirements list in this project has expanded beyond the original scope required for a launch and then software maintenance (even for a DAC).

But let me put your mind at ease in a couple areas.  Inside the Evo release, we are no longer looking at individual requirements to fulfill an objective.  We are now actually making a generic extensible abstraction layer that I believe can handle all of the DAC requirements in the future. (Including decentralized orphanage contracts and Cioccolanti's integration ideas and web tipping and HTML5 and all that).

So what this means is the end is coming for continual changes (and I don't want those either, I'm on board with this).
The other very large item is our change to be rebase proof that is coming.  Starting in Evo, we are going to release code in a way where we continually honor Dash's future prod commits as they commit also (meaning this will future proof biblepay).

Regarding the actual content you do have a say.  Please join us in the testnet thread and test Evo and paste wishlist items.  I want Evo to be easy to use for everyone + Grandma.  

Finally, even though Evo looks daunting because of acronyms, we are still going to create a dashboard for Grandma towards the end of the cycle so you can drive Evo like a normal car.

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BiblePay Forum - TestNet - BiblePay-Evolution & GSCs (Generic Smart Contracts)
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.0

BiblePay Evolution
https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay-evolution

Quote from: bible_pay
I'm starting to add some documentation to explain to new users how to get started:

Getting started with Evolution:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_with_Evolution

GSC's:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Generic_Smart_Contracts

Healing Campaign:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/BiblePay_Healing_Campaign

Street Healing:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Street_Healing

Spiritual Warfare:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Spiritual-Warfare-I

I realize we need a specific section for Grandma also - I'll continue to refine the getting started guide.

Please let me know if anyone would like to see more expanded info on any of these, and/or if this is sufficient to call us "easy to use" with the release of Evo.
Reference: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.msg5803#msg5803
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Where can I read everything I need to know about biblepay-evolution?
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Dear Rob,

Thanks for your reply. It's ok, you are doing a lot of work after all! You can check my posts through my account if it matters.

Thanks for looking into it! Smiley


Best Regards,

Mart1250
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Hello Everyone,

I'm mining / pobh (when it was active) this coin now for about 5 months.

I have my worries about the fact that this project still is listed on c-cex. This exchange is a fraud, and if you don't believe that, just read the comments in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418700.4560
I would like to insist to the owners of this project to reconsider this exchange. If it works it works, I had my funds there too when I wanted to buy some bbp (it didn't came that far), but this exchange is known for funds that are lost suddenly and account's that are randomly blocked. Luckily my funds are not lost, but at that time when I wanted to generate a bbp wallet the website went down and after a few minutes there appeared an error message on the website. It's not a stable exchange at all, beside that it's a fraud.

I have mentioned earlier that it is a fraud, but it seems nobody cares, since it's still listed in this thread. So I wanted to point this out again.

Thanks for your time.


Best Regards,

Mart1250

Dear Mart1250,

Thanks for the message.  I didn't see your prior message representing anything before, so please realize that it must have slipped through one of the old pages.

Let me investigate.

Thanks,
Rob
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Hello Everyone,

I'm mining / podc (when it was active) this coin now for about 5 months.

I have my worries about the fact that this project still is listed on c-cex. This exchange is a fraud, and if you don't believe that, just read the comments in this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418700.4560
I would like to insist to the owners of this project to reconsider this exchange. If it works it works, I had my funds there too when I wanted to buy some bbp (it didn't came that far), but this exchange is known for funds that are lost suddenly and account's that are randomly blocked. Luckily my funds are not lost, but at that time when I wanted to generate a bbp wallet the website went down and after a few minutes there appeared an error message on the website. It's not a stable exchange at all, beside that it's a fraud.

I have mentioned earlier that it is a fraud, but it seems nobody cares, since it's still listed in this thread. So I wanted to point this out again.

Thanks for your time.


Best Regards,

Mart1250



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i dont consider myself a religious man
but ill never understand how people can attack biblepay
you guys have proven the charity is being given too
it was fair launch i believe, cpu mining (CAN you gpu mine this through BOINC at all?)

Be nice to BiblePay! haha
anyways, projects like this are simple use case for blockchain and a good cryptocurrency example imo


Thanks!

At launch we just had CPU mining.
Although we don't have BOINC rewards right now (PODC), when we did have PODC we only allowed the non-gpu projects (Rosetta@Home and WCG), so we've always been CPU based.

We are moving to a 50% hybrid model where half goes to POW/Sancs (POBH) and the other half goes to campaign rewards in Biblepay-Evolution.

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Let us remember what Jesus did for us today, approximately 1990 years ago, at the cross.

https://www.christianity.com/god/jesus-christ/what-s-so-good-about-good-friday.html

Jesus - thank you for dying for our sins.

We can never repay you.

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When I hear Biblepay, I think of Paypal, or some method of paying for goods. But as we know, adoption of a coin is a really rare and limited thing. So when someone asks, "What can I pay for with Biblepay?", we can only say Subway sandwiches?

Exactly how I feel. I focused on the religious part, but I forgot to write that the "pay" part really bugs me. It's totally misleading, because BiblePay is not a payment service and its primary goal is something completely unrelated to the name. And the average Joe doesn't care about the fact that the algorithm uses Bible verses. A relevant name would be "CharityChain" or something of the sort. Also, one of the most problematic things is that the BiblePay name evidently looks like a joke to many who encounter it for the first time, which I don't think is possible to amend without changing the name. It's a shame that people can't take BiblePay seriously, since it's a coin with one of the most serious goals I know, and with serious active development.

Thanks, it's interesting, and rebranding is something we can talk about in the background through this journey.

Know that it's also a style, consistency, and best-practices issue to originally base ourselves off of a proven model or template, and we originally forked from DashPay (who had re-branded from DarkCoin).  So it was the origin spirit of consistency that we started as "BiblePay", inheriting Dash's governance model for our DAC (decentralized autonomous charity) vision.

But just as they decided to rebrand To DashPay From DarkCoin - we can discuss that also as we mature.


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Automatic withdrawals hasn't worked since April 10th.

edit: at pool.biblepay.org

Thanks, I try to stay on top of it, but I also try to keep the pool hot wallet low just in case.

Recently we had a lot of letters written and the pool paid out a huge amount for those all at once.

I'll update this post again as soon as its refilled.

EDIT:  Note that everyone's balance is fine while the pool is not auto-paying (balances keep accruing higher).
EDIT:  Refilled.  Should auto-pay today.


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Not much activity on the proposal forum, so I thought I'd bring it up here....

The Uganda proposal has a surprisingly large number of "No" votes - but not a lot of people explaining why. It isn't required, of course, but I would love to hear thoughts on this from others. I feel like the charity mission is pretty much top of the list in terms of things to fund (other than what is necessary to keep us developing / releasing).

I am curious to know if this is reflective of a community voice against that particular proposal, about the wider mission, etc. - if a lot of people feel strongly, or just a few. What's the current "mood" of the community in terms of our charitable giving/support?

Sometimes the black/white nature of the voting removes discussion, and I find that getting context can be very healthy.

EDIT: I should be clear that this has enough to PASS, but it seems like a hot topic because of both the total # of votes and the split of yes/no.
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When I hear Biblepay, I think of Paypal, or some method of paying for goods. But as we know, adoption of a coin is a really rare and limited thing. So when someone asks, "What can I pay for with Biblepay?", we can only say Subway sandwiches?

Exactly how I feel. I focused on the religious part, but I forgot to write that the "pay" part really bugs me. It's totally misleading, because BiblePay is not a payment service and its primary goal is something completely unrelated to the name. And the average Joe doesn't care about the fact that the algorithm uses Bible verses. A relevant name would be "CharityChain" or something of the sort. Also, one of the most problematic things is that the BiblePay name evidently looks like a joke to many who encounter it for the first time, which I don't think is possible to amend without changing the name. It's a shame that people can't take BiblePay seriously, since it's a coin with one of the most serious goals I know, and with serious active development.

Jesus Christ died on the cross and paid for your sins.

So you're saying that's the Pay part of BiblePay?
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i dont consider myself a religious man
but ill never understand how people can attack biblepay
you guys have proven the charity is being given too
it was fair launch i believe, cpu mining (CAN you gpu mine this through BOINC at all?)

Be nice to BiblePay! haha
anyways, projects like this are simple use case for blockchain and a good cryptocurrency example imo
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When I hear Biblepay, I think of Paypal, or some method of paying for goods. But as we know, adoption of a coin is a really rare and limited thing. So when someone asks, "What can I pay for with Biblepay?", we can only say Subway sandwiches?

Exactly how I feel. I focused on the religious part, but I forgot to write that the "pay" part really bugs me. It's totally misleading, because BiblePay is not a payment service and its primary goal is something completely unrelated to the name. And the average Joe doesn't care about the fact that the algorithm uses Bible verses. A relevant name would be "CharityChain" or something of the sort. Also, one of the most problematic things is that the BiblePay name evidently looks like a joke to many who encounter it for the first time, which I don't think is possible to amend without changing the name. It's a shame that people can't take BiblePay seriously, since it's a coin with one of the most serious goals I know, and with serious active development.
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Automatic withdrawals hasn't worked since April 10th.

edit: at pool.biblepay.org
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BiblePay Forum - TestNet - BiblePay-Evolution & GSCs (Generic Smart Contracts)
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.0

BiblePay Evolution
https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay-evolution

Quote from: bible_pay
I'm starting to add some documentation to explain to new users how to get started:

Getting started with Evolution:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_with_Evolution

GSC's:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Generic_Smart_Contracts

Healing Campaign:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/BiblePay_Healing_Campaign

Street Healing:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Street_Healing

Spiritual Warfare:
https://wiki.biblepay.org/Spiritual-Warfare-I

I realize we need a specific section for Grandma also - I'll continue to refine the getting started guide.

Please let me know if anyone would like to see more expanded info on any of these, and/or if this is sufficient to call us "easy to use" with the release of Evo.
Reference: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=391.msg5803#msg5803

Work continues in testnet!
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I appreciate the thought behind the post. I will have to disagree mildly with this part:

" if your post is mean-spirited or bashing on our mission, team, or implementation, just go"

The problem is, who gets to define what "bashing our mission and implementation" is? If the implementation has problems, I say go ahead and bash it. It's when projects only have "yes men" attached, do they truly go off the rails. "Bashing" is really in the eye of those who feel slighted. IMO. the project has made some funky decisions, and it's stirred things up in the community. Am I being negative feeling that way? Maybe.

I'm not suggesting people bring bad attitudes to their posts. I am suggesting that anyone who thinks they know exactly what appropriate criticism is and isn't, is probably not speaking for everybody. The problem is nobody can seem to define the edge where valid criticism becomes unproductive. There's a whole gray area between cheerleading and being slovakia. We should make sure and no alienate anyone who feels alienated, that they are heard. For those that just want to post nonsense let's just smile.

If Christianity and any of us here are so thin-skinned that we can't take some bashing, then maybe our little coin isn't ready for top 200 yet? I don't get why we get so thin-skinned among ourselves, and hope to change the world?

When people get down to "love it or leave it", it's usually a sign of some serious problems. Nobody wants baseless negativity, and nobody really wants censorship either. I'd like to see us take criticism in stride with a genuine smile and interest. Fighting negativity only gives it power. Let the mods do their cleanup, and let's press on.

Thanks for the response.

I agree that there can't be a "love it or leave it" mentality. Calling out problems and mistakes are fine. Making people feel like trash because of it, or saying they suck, or are a joke, or a scam, or don't know what they are doing - that crosses the line to me. I don't THINK we are disagreeing, but yes, if I failed to clarify that it doesn't have to be sunshine and rainbows, let me do that now.

I don't think it is about being thin-skinned, though. Maybe a little, maybe that's fair. But I think it is odd and sad that the more good we try to do, the more negativity is attracted. I know, I know, "haters gonna hate." And sometimes we all make bone-headed mistakes, or bad calls. No point in pretending otherwise.

In any event, I'm trying REALLY hard to live in that gray area you mentioned, I really am.

Stick to your guns, there is a love it or leave it mentality in extreme circumstances.

We are commanded to forgive but after being trashed a few times and having our orphan sponsorship levels hurt because of people who could care less if we live or die (for example when Slovakia said to me, why dont you just hang yourself, maybe Rob will kill himself etc), they actually do not care about us at all.  Sure I care about others, I will pray for them and pray that they repent and turn from their behavior.  And not give up on them.  But after a few times, I think we have the right to ask for an apology according to the bible (Matthew 18) but we should forgive a person who seeks to be forgiven.  

If the person is asked to apologize and they dont repent, we should cut all ties with them, as to me that proves they aren't Christian.  Christians forgive and love and attempt to mend.  Non Christians come to steal, kill, and destroy a project.  We have something here to protect:  the integrity of the project, the investors stakes, the orphan sponsorship levels, our own integrity, etc.  We shouldn't lose all this because of the 10% that have demons.

It's similar to how the Jews stoned a person that was a net negative for the community.  

And as far as the community goes, they should be more courageous and stand up for the greater good (not cowardly and cowering down and being afraid of the derelicts).

Let me see if I can think of an example of another business, in a certain business I remember from 10 years ago, if you badmouth the rep on the phone your account is frozen and you can no longer use the account, and all the reps behind the desk have to adhere to the frozen status "You are not in good standing"  "Go to another provider".  DONT DO IT.  

We deserve to treat each other with respect here.  

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The same happened a long time ago when inblue posted something that I was hiding proposals.  We all know now that this rule only affected pool.biblepay.org's display characteristics for a replacement poll.  It was never for the core wallet (core wallet has never pulled any proposals from an API ever).  And it was a feature for a replacement proposal so that vendors can ask a proposal be reentered when we see we are going overbudget at the end of the month.  Then I saw some kind of "proof" in the post with txid's showing that I hid the first proposal.  Yes, it was proof that two proposals were in the system and both were able to be seen in the core wallet.  The latter one was valid for voting.

So as an example, if inblue said "Hey Rob, could you please explain why I see this first instance and this instance"?  I would have never deleted the post.  It was written like "you bast***, you have now been Proven to be a Liar!".   Btw, I have already forgiven him for that as can be seen in the QT thread.

Ah, here we go again... You really shouldn't have used this as an example, now bringing attention to that event again. This sentence of yours is all what is needed to be done with this conflict:

It was a feature for a replacement proposal so that vendors can ask a proposal be reentered when we see we are going overbudget at the end of the month.

So clearly you didn't use the feature as intended, since we were not going overbudget that month. Even if you argue that we were going overbudget, the proposal was immediately reentered for the same month, instead of waiting for the next one. But even if you argue that it could now fit the budget after a tiny BBP reduction, the proposal was evidently rejected and could not win, so it shouldn't be reentered. You misused that feature because the proposal received a lot of negative votes, but you really wanted it to succeed because you already paid from your pocket. It's very simple.

And saying you "forgave" me for my undeniable blockchain proof, what a joke, you are a master of manipulation, because the situation is the other way around - it's only others who can forgive you for your misconduct. You know, you would look like a bigger man if you admitted your mistake and moved on, instead of raging.

I have clearly been the bigger man in the respect of how I handled your replies (your mean spirited unwanted comments) at various times.

Incorrect above.  The feature has always been there in "pool.biblepay.org" specifically so that the Proposals list is a distinct list of votable proposals that fits within the budget.  The only way a proposal becomes hidden is if a duplicate is entered with the same name in the same period that is newer -- and it is always entered because the old one will cause us to be over-budget.  As I said before and maintain until now, Ive been asked to re-enter proposals so that we make the payment for compassion (so that we are not over-budget).

You are being argumentative and continue to try to prove that I'm doing something nefarious here.

You need to accept the fact that you are wrong about this, that you didn't ask about it specifically first, instead making an assumption about me - then attacking me.

If you are trying to say this particular proposal is a "one off" and I did something special with it compared to compassions re-entries that is incorrect - many have been duplicates (not one) and all entered with reduced amounts to make the budget work.

Edit:
Ok, I went the extra mile and located the root cause of this disagreement.  It is that your attack says "you've hidden the previous proposal from your website and made a new one, misleading users that there are not so many negative votes on that proposals, and rigging the voting system in your favor, so that your proposal could pass. This is the 100% undeniable truth, with proof on the blockchain which will never go away, no matter how hard you want it.".  

So no that is untrue, because the feature exists for replacement proposals with lower amounts that can be re-voted to fit within the monthly budget, and is limited to the display characteristics of pool.biblepay.org.

On a side note:  Here is why I wanted you to e-mail me.  I don't want this thread cluttered with character attacks and infighting!  I would have explained the Hope for widows proposal specifically if you would taken this seriously and not attempted to make a mockery of this forum.  Thats why I deal with emails, they should be escalated first, and worked out and if you still dont get a resolution, then go ahead and post here in a constructive way.

Regarding the actual hope for widows proposal:  I located it and you are incorrect, I see that :
I entered it on 10-13 for 481,540BBP originally, and it was voted down with -21 votes.   On 10-22 I re-entered A new instance of it with a LOWER AMOUNT (as we do with all resubmitted proposals) for 381,540 (100,000 less) which is a NEW AMOUNT, and we still had plenty of time for everyone to see it and vote on it, and THIS WAS TO MAKE IT FIT WITHIN THE BUDGET Because we Did Not enter Compassions amount until 10-23!  So I am basically saying- look this group voted my original amount down, we need 4.34 MM for compassion, Ill try to go for Less, and enter compassion right now!     Both proposals of HFW were visible in the core wallet (as they always were) and neither were hidden in the core wallet.  The Second instance in the Pool was the only one visible because it was a Duplicate proposal according to the Business Rule.  Any sanc should be on top of voting if they wanted to Re-vote this precious proposal that I staked the money up front for hope-for-widows for and I also say it was pretty depressing to vote this proposal down in light of who we were helping.  And finally, if You entered a proposal for HFW for 500,000 and it was voted down, you could have emailed me that you want one for 400,000 and want another chance to get reimbursed since you lost, and I would have Paid the 2,500 fee for it and entered it for you in the pool (this feature is not for me, its for every vendor and every user).  Its automatic.

So I just wanted to see if I posted anything on the forum after re-entering HFW, and I did say on the forum: "no problem I will re-enter the losing proposal for a new amount and tithe the rest" https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47153740.  So as you can see, I was not hiding the re-entered amount.








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The same happened a long time ago when inblue posted something that I was hiding proposals.  We all know now that this rule only affected pool.biblepay.org's display characteristics for a replacement poll.  It was never for the core wallet (core wallet has never pulled any proposals from an API ever).  And it was a feature for a replacement proposal so that vendors can ask a proposal be reentered when we see we are going overbudget at the end of the month.  Then I saw some kind of "proof" in the post with txid's showing that I hid the first proposal.  Yes, it was proof that two proposals were in the system and both were able to be seen in the core wallet.  The latter one was valid for voting.

So as an example, if inblue said "Hey Rob, could you please explain why I see this first instance and this instance"?  I would have never deleted the post.  It was written like "you bast***, you have now been Proven to be a Liar!".   Btw, I have already forgiven him for that as can be seen in the QT thread.

Ah, here we go again... You really shouldn't have used this as an example, now bringing attention to that event again. This sentence of yours is all what is needed to be done with this conflict:

It was a feature for a replacement proposal so that vendors can ask a proposal be reentered when we see we are going overbudget at the end of the month.

So clearly you didn't use the feature as intended, since we were not going overbudget that month. Even if you argue that we were going overbudget, the proposal was immediately reentered for the same month, instead of waiting for the next one. But even if you argue that it could now fit the budget after a tiny BBP reduction, the proposal was evidently rejected and could not win, so it shouldn't be reentered. You misused that feature because the proposal received a lot of negative votes, but you really wanted it to succeed because you already paid from your pocket. It's very simple.

And saying you "forgave" me for my undeniable blockchain proof, what a joke, you are a master of manipulation, because the situation is the other way around - it's only others who can forgive you for your misconduct. You know, you would look like a bigger man if you admitted your mistake and moved on, instead of raging.
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I appreciate the thought behind the post. I will have to disagree mildly with this part:

" if your post is mean-spirited or bashing on our mission, team, or implementation, just go"

The problem is, who gets to define what "bashing our mission and implementation" is? If the implementation has problems, I say go ahead and bash it. It's when projects only have "yes men" attached, do they truly go off the rails. "Bashing" is really in the eye of those who feel slighted. IMO. the project has made some funky decisions, and it's stirred things up in the community. Am I being negative feeling that way? Maybe.

I'm not suggesting people bring bad attitudes to their posts. I am suggesting that anyone who thinks they know exactly what appropriate criticism is and isn't, is probably not speaking for everybody. The problem is nobody can seem to define the edge where valid criticism becomes unproductive. There's a whole gray area between cheerleading and being slovakia. We should make sure and no alienate anyone who feels alienated, that they are heard. For those that just want to post nonsense let's just smile.

If Christianity and any of us here are so thin-skinned that we can't take some bashing, then maybe our little coin isn't ready for top 200 yet? I don't get why we get so thin-skinned among ourselves, and hope to change the world?

When people get down to "love it or leave it", it's usually a sign of some serious problems. Nobody wants baseless negativity, and nobody really wants censorship either. I'd like to see us take criticism in stride with a genuine smile and interest. Fighting negativity only gives it power. Let the mods do their cleanup, and let's press on.

Thanks, I like your points, and agree, none of us should be so thin skinned that we can't take things personally.

I do have an idea that would go miles here.  I don't know if its a pet peeve of mine or not, but bear with me.

One of the biggest things that gets under my skin is a half-true post - something that the person didn't verify and they post it here (which is nefarious) because its deceptive.  Its unlawfully trying to get a response from the group, and deceiving investors while we wait.

An example I saw in SX recently was a few of our banned members got together and said that I bought 25 more sancs so that I could vote on the mid-tier sanc consolidation poll and win.  Whats funny is the whole thing is questionable; they dont know that I actually bought them, they dont know my correct wallet total and they should not be concerned about it to begin with (as foundation funds dont go through it), and I dont need 25 more to win anyway (as it is already above 8 anyway), then they went on to say that in the past I use to steal orphan funds from the foundation and they are now suing me for it personally.  So I am saying, what kind of character is that?  Derelict character, people who want to spread lies about us to damage our rep.  

Even one ounce of a lie is not welcome here.  The post should be syntactically correct and 100% true.  If its not true, it should be a QUESTION.  Then the response will be constructive.  
So its not about being thin skinned in this case its about being Accurate.

The same happened a long time ago when inblue posted something that I was hiding proposals.  We all know now that this rule only affected pool.biblepay.org's display characteristics for a replacement poll.  It was never for the core wallet (core wallet has never pulled any proposals from an API ever).  And it was a feature for a replacement proposal so that vendors can ask a proposal be reentered when we see we are going overbudget at the end of the month.  Then I saw some kind of "proof" in the post with txid's showing that I hid the first proposal.  Yes, it was proof that two proposals were in the system and both were able to be seen in the core wallet.  The latter one was valid for voting.

So as an example, if inblue said "Hey Rob, could you please explain why I see this first instance and this instance"?  I would have never deleted the post.  It was written like "you bast***, you have now been Proven to be a Liar!".   Btw, I have already forgiven him for that as can be seen in the QT thread.

So this is an example of how most character problems start here, I think we all need to hold ourselves to a higher standard before clicking send.



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