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Topic: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes) - page 223. (Read 243437 times)

jr. member
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Hello,
I'm still trying to understand how POG is working... I already went through the docs but I still have some doubts.
1) Why I can't send Tithe from the UI?

    What does Qty, AvgAge, Tithability mean?

2) How can I know the age of my coins? And how can I send "young" coins in order to keep the old ones for Titheing later. When I send coins, I can't select what coins to send.

3) I have enabled (tithe=1) following the instructions but my tithe is always 0.  ("My Tithes": 0)

Sorry for my basic questions. I was so happy with PODC... But I need to accept the change and I Would like to understand how it works.

Thank you.
hsb
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Don't completely discard PODC,make BBP a multi-algorithm pow currency,everyone can mine bbp using the algo he likes.
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Update on CryptoBridge,
A while back I mentioned that Stepollo direct messaged me on Discord offering us a free upgrade

Well, when Rob was ready for the exchanges to upgrade,
I notified CryptoBridge, and it turns out Stepollo's offer had no backing,
he didnt have permission yet from the higher ups at CryptoBridge...
they still havent upgraded us nor do I believe they have any plans or intentions to upgrade us without payment...
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I support Proof of Giving (POG),

Proof of Distributed Computing (PODC) is awesome, but it has its flaws, relying on centralized servers for verification, etc, Swongel pointed this stuff out long ago when the work was first being started: https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?action=profile;u=223 >>> "Recent Posts", I think his best posts were deleted though sadly, but Rob later mentioned Swongel being right about some stuff when he started his work on POG

I think the flipping point for Rob was a while back mentioned he tried to get 5 "regular" people in his life into BiblePay mining, none of them could set it up LOL, I think a lot of you do not realize how smart you guys are at computers compared to regular people, [I had to teach my Mom how to create New Folders on her PC a few years ago LOL]

I dont know how things will end up, the crypto winter has been brutal, but we shall see how it goes!
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** C-CEX ALERT **

Please don't deposit or withdraw BBP from C-CEX until further notice.

We have a ticket in for them to go into maintenance and upgrade, we will post again after the wallet is ready.

i raised ticket too, i had lost withdrawal there, about 280k Sad
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Jesus is the King of Kings and Lord of Lords
PS: you can use nick for in wallet chat if you want Wink

wallet chat is still testnet only. If you can switch your nickname around, I wouldn't trust the chat.

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I was thinking rather than e-mail, if you send a BBP tx with an encrypted message to the public address, then the private key can decrypt the message with the gift card code. I think this is more reliable than e-mail. I tried playing around with sign message and verify message, but it wasn't exactly what I had in mind... but I guess if the message was encrypted in tx and could be decrypted automatically by the right private key holder, the process would be easy.

I can switch my nickname around on Discord or SouthXChange or PM also...  Just look at Slovakia's he has 9 on SX.

I'm aware of this problem though, and of course this will be taken into consideration for voting on objects (by using a keypair).  I was not eluding to using the chat nickname for anything important.  I was really just alluding to rather seeing a distinct list than a bloated list of duplicated wallets.  It may still be valuable to engage the POG list for something (like prayer campaigns) or something in the future.




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** C-CEX ALERT **

Please don't deposit or withdraw BBP from C-CEX until further notice.

We have a ticket in for them to go into maintenance and upgrade, we will post again after the wallet is ready.
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PS: you can use nick for in wallet chat if you want Wink

wallet chat is still testnet only. If you can switch your nickname around, I wouldn't trust the chat.

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subway

I was thinking rather than e-mail, if you send a BBP tx with an encrypted message to the public address, then the private key can decrypt the message with the gift card code. I think this is more reliable than e-mail. I tried playing around with sign message and verify message, but it wasn't exactly what I had in mind... but I guess if the message was encrypted in tx and could be decrypted automatically by the right private key holder, the process would be easy.
newbie
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... For one, we will see distinct nicknames (thats good for accurate reports)....
Those nicknames are good, but you can watch out for "cheaters".
I really don't understand why are people trying to hide behind someone else, when they can choose the name really free and untraceable.
I'm talking about someone who is hiding behind my nick... My "real" nick is orbis, and someone is hiding behind me with nick orbispictus.
I really don't understand what these people wants to reach... jealousy, anger, grudge or what...
it's really interresting Smiley
PS: you can use nick for in wallet chat if you want Wink
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1000 PhD's are skeptical of darwinism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE&feature=youtu.be

This is the kind of base element that should be in BiblePay.  An exposure to evidence that God exists when you use certain features of BiblePay.

Or are we free to post our thoughts about Christianity here? Because I have collected some pretty radical interpretations of the teachings that might be interesting. In case the video is on-topic for this thread, let me share these ideas:

There's not a lot of evidence I can find that evolution and Christianity are incompatible. Take this: there was a time that people did not know that black holes existed in God's universe. When we learned of them, did we think they were unreal? No, we updated our concept of God's universe to include black holes. Science will have to update its models too.

There is a theology corner on forum.biblepay.org that can focus the discussion.
https://forum.biblepay.org/index.php?topic=371.new#new

I'm in a similar boat as you. The Old Testament (Genesis) has to be taken into the context at the time it was written and the understanding of the universe and God's supremacy over it.
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If anyone knows the owner of c-cex, please PM me.

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BiblePay pool (https://pool.biblepay.org) is now giving away 5000 bbp to new POG users.

Head to the faucet if you are new user to get started now.

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1000 PhD's are skeptical of darwinism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE&feature=youtu.be

This is the kind of base element that should be in BiblePay.  An exposure to evidence that God exists when you use certain features of BiblePay.



I'm trying to understand how that relates to Biblepay. Are you seeking to turn away Christians who do believe that evolution is real? What's the link to BBP? Are you the person who keeps posting political content in the wallet prayer?


Or are we free to post our thoughts about Christianity here? Because I have collected some pretty radical interpretations of the teachings that might be interesting. In case the video is on-topic for this thread, let me share these ideas:

There's not a lot of evidence I can find that evolution and Christianity are incompatible. Take this: there was a time that people did not know that black holes existed in God's universe. When we learned of them, did we think they were unreal? No, we updated our concept of God's universe to include black holes. Science will have to update its models too.

That statistic of 1000 PhDs not believing evolution is misleading. In just the top 5 countries in the world, there are about 150,000 PhDs graduates...each year. So at best that 1000 PhDs represent a very, very small portion of the whole. So, it would imply that most Christian doctors actually do believe in evolution. Interesting.

I want to thank Rob for bringing up this link and inviting further discussion about a fascinating topic--evolution and Christianity. I look forward to hearing others' opinions on the subject.



These 1,000 signatures are just from the movement who signed on to fight the lefts campaign to discredit scientists who are skeptical of darwinism (in contrast to the % of total phds).  I dont have the link for the campaign handy.

Yes, of course this forum can be used for Christian edification, as long as it doesnt pollute it too much and is geared toward potential BiblePay improvements and is positive.  I do maintain that if we create a topic that deserves further attention we really should create a dedicated thread for it on forum.biblepay, but of course this is a good place to throw brand new ideas in.  

I'm constantly looking for the Best way to spend my time to extend Gods Kingdom.  So from my standpoint I sometimes throw things out that change the priorities (the most bang for the buck) for development and for BiblePay.  (How does that fit, it fits because Im designing features that are consumed from Christian spaces and a Christian economy in the future, things like voting on Christian videos and content in Christian spaces, so it is relevant).

As far as if darwinism is valid and all that, I started to work on a web page for that a while back, I think it is best if I stop here and finish that first before I get the middle of the discussion.

EDIT:  On political content, no, Im not the one who posted Vote for Trump, Im the one who posts stuff like we need to ask the country to repent for its behavior.  I go as far as calling some of the Left disciples who believe in abortion to birth laws disciples of Satan, but I dont go as far as posting political beliefs in the chain.  I do say pray for Trump because hes our leader in the US.

jr. member
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1000 PhD's are skeptical of darwinism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE&feature=youtu.be

This is the kind of base element that should be in BiblePay.  An exposure to evidence that God exists when you use certain features of BiblePay.



I'm trying to understand how that relates to Biblepay. Are you seeking to turn away Christians who do believe that evolution is real? What's the link to BBP? Are you the person who keeps posting political content in the wallet prayer?


Or are we free to post our thoughts about Christianity here? Because I have collected some pretty radical interpretations of the teachings that might be interesting. In case the video is on-topic for this thread, let me share these ideas:

There's not a lot of evidence I can find that evolution and Christianity are incompatible. Take this: there was a time that people did not know that black holes existed in God's universe. When we learned of them, did we think they were unreal? No, we updated our concept of God's universe to include black holes. Science will have to update its models too.

That statistic of 1000 PhDs not believing evolution is misleading. In just the top 5 countries in the world, there are about 150,000 PhDs graduates...each year. So at best that 1000 PhDs represent a very, very small portion of the whole. So, it would imply that most Christian doctors actually do believe in evolution. Interesting.

I want to thank Rob for bringing up this link and inviting further discussion about a fascinating topic--evolution and Christianity. I look forward to hearing others' opinions on the subject.

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1000 PhD's are skeptical of darwinism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQgOjHsMEeE&feature=youtu.be

This is the kind of base element that should be in BiblePay.  An exposure to evidence that God exists when you use certain features of BiblePay.

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Todd from Cameroon One thanks us from Honduras!

https://pool.biblepay.org/SAN/images/CameroonOne2019.MOV

The video is upside down if you play on Windows Media player. I converted it to MP4 and put it here:

https://discontinuo.us/biblepay-unofficial-wiki/charities
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I am on this coin over a year now.
i am aware of frustrations from everyone due to price decline.
If I would bail out, I will lose thousands of dollars.

However, I am so shocked on the time and effort Rob put into this coin,
it seems that he put into it all his time and a lot of his money.

I appropriate it a lot Rob, Thanks for your effort supporting us,
with this effort continuing we cannot fail.

God bless you good man.


Thanks, and I am happy you are on board, and I pray people like you make up the majority of this project in a year.

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So with the PoG change, will the new values for max_tithe be 10-1 (descending) and the min_coin_age stay 0-60 and min_coin_amount stay 1-12500?

If I'm reading the code right, min_coin_amount goes up to 25k. Does that mean combined "stake" of 62.5M BBP that was 30 days old becomes 125M BBP? It sounds like Rob is sacrificing donations received so users are guaranteed a BBP ROI until more participants arrive.

https://github.com/biblepay/biblepay/commit/52b3fe81ca2ada664d815f21d090aa7ac12b5448
Code:
td.min_coin_age = R2X(Quantize(.25, 60, nQLevel));
td.min_coin_amount = R2X(Quantize(1, 25000, nQLevel)) * COIN;
td.max_tithe_amount = R2X(Quantize(10, .25, nQLevel)) * COIN; // Descending tithe amoun

Bingo!  You got it.  We are sacrificing donations per day but guaranteeing that everyone can participate (IE 10-20,000 concurrent pool participants).  Then we can also see clearly what our trend is toward the public. 

And in reality I think all this is going to do (as far as not having enough donations per day, not filling up the pool) is difficulty will drop for us (because everyone network wide will spend the coin age), then 4 hours later everyone will tithe again at a low diff, so we will still have a chance at filling up the pool from repeating low difficulty tithes.

The main improvement is capacity.  When more people come we can handle it for a couple years in the future (which would be a very good problem to have).

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So with the PoG change, will the new values for max_tithe be 10-1 (descending) and the min_coin_age stay 0-60 and min_coin_amount stay 1-12500?

If so, then to achieve median difficulty would take 5000 tithes a day, but those users would have to have a combined "stake" of 62.5M BBP that was 30 days old, meaning to sustain that level (just median) would take more coins than currently exist (1.875B).  And at that level, tithers would see a return of approximately 16 BBP for each 5 BBP tithe.  Since the level of difficulty would have to be lower, you're looking at a much much higher reward in practice which becomes very troubling as, again, it would be no net cost - no risk and have no psychological floor (whereas someone generating coins that cost them 1 cent per 100 to make, has a reason to not sell for less that 1/100th of a cent).

If the min_coin_age and min_coin_amount decrease, then it diminishes the impact of decreasing the max_tithe.

I make no bones about being a PoDC supporter, but PoG is not a system that brings much benefit when I look at it objectively.   No risk mining means no real price floor.  When coin age exceeds a few weeks, it reduces the ease of entry for new users, but without it, the whales would rule the system.  It has the potential to be very inconsistent with both rewards and how often a user can tithe, both of which make getting new users difficult.  It doesn't sufficiently constrain supply...unlike Proof of Burn which eliminates coins from the economy, or Proof of Stake which typically locks coins in for longer terms for rewards.  PoG adds network traffic that we can sustain for now, but when you compare to our theoretical maximum transaction limit (which I've ballparked before and don't have the numbers in front of me), 5000 additional transactions a day could start to have an impact.  In short, even though I feel PoG would benefit me personally, I don't see it being beneficial for the coin at large.

I ask with all due respect, that when the PoDC vote occurs, one option is to eliminate PoG.  I also request that the community at large be heard and to that end would ask for a commitment from Rob to not vote more than a handful of the Sanctuaries under his control.

1)  No; the new values are 10 max_tithe descending yes, but coin_age starts at .25 a day minimum - 60 ascending, and the min_coin_amount stays the same. 
2) On the median difficulty and 'much higher reward' in practice; no, everyone works with a relative share weight which is related to their applicable coin count from #1, and the tithe cap remains the same and the max reward per day (90k) remains the same, so no this is not true, actually I dont even follow the logic here.  Once coin age is spent, the newbie who waited 7 days to stake that coin has to wait until the coin age matures again to get back in the pool, so there is no additional reward in phase 2 compared to phase 1.  What we do see is more participants in the pool and lower average difficulty for everyone.
3) If the 'no risk-no price floor' were true then a coin like PIVX would be worthless.  Obviously people value each share of their crypto with more facets than electricity as an inputs.  I listed some of them 50 pages back:  future price target, innovation, expectation of dash to have more success, expectation that our devs are good, central bank expectations, many things go into pricing each share other than electricity.  So you might be right about going from 7 satoshi floor to 6, but even that is laughable because Im not holding BBP to appreciate from 7 satoshi to 8 because of electric.  Its laughable.  Were holding biblepay because we know biblepay is deflationary, will provide real world value in the future and we believe in the devs and the technology that is entering the project.  We know that some day Rob and MIP are going to succeed in the killer feature and biblepay will be in the top 100 list.  At the same time the Christians will catch on and out of 1 billion, we see a certain sliver that likes crypto.  Thats the expectation.  Not a measly 10% increase in electric cost over 10 years Smiley.
4) If you are concerned about the PODC vote level I recommend you buy enough bbp to have more sanctuary count than me.  Obviously every one who buys a sanctuary has the right to vote with it the way they please.  It would be foolish not to use that right.  On a side note, I still believe in POG and think PODC is too complicated for the average Christian.  In addition I think adding in PODC is not completely aligned with our vision (of having a high percentage of believers who contribute in development to this coin). 



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