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Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?



Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.



My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  Grin

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.



Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.





I started making this Wiki page to help explain the above answers:

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_With_PODC

I hope this helps; please anyone let me know if more needs added or edited.

This brought up two important points:

1) We should ask Lich to add hover-over or help to the biblepay-central site to whatever fields NSummy mentioned above that are hard to understand for the user.

2) I just realized in the newest wallet, we sort of leave the user hanging in regards to knowing if they have the correct UTXO weight.  In the next version we help them understand if they need to install boinc, we auto create a RAH account, we attach RAH, we start the boinc tasks, we show the task count, we make it easy to associate a CPID, but then I believe we leave them hanging at the point where they dont know how much UTXO is on the network or if they will receive a superblock reward.  In light of that I think that is one more thing we need to squeeze in the next mandatory is some type of UTXO indicator on the DC page, and a Red narrative explaining their next payment is at risk due to having low UTXO weight etc...



Thanks nsummy! I will use your suggestions and the Wiki to make the website and guides more clear. I will be starting this process at the end of next week.

@slovakia: I would endorse a video-guide. If someones takes the initiative, I'll vote in favor of that proposal.
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It's a real pity that some people regard in-wallet prayers as a joke.  Those people are not God fearing - and will be held accountable by Jesus on judgement day for how many prayers were impeded.

This is of course going to cause BiblePay to disable the in-wallet prayer feature for the general public.  We will need to re-invent it to vet prayers before they become public.

If I may, some ideas:

1) Have a vote up/down on prayers. That affects how much rotation a prayer receives. If it goes above a certain number (like 3 net down votes), hide the prayer.

2) The other idea was the ability to reply to prayers. This means the requestor has to sign their prayer. Less anonymity, but at least you sort of know who is posting the joke prayers.

The other reason is it'd be nice to reply to prayers and prayer for other people. They can receive prayers in their qt wallet. I'm not sure if these prayer replies go on the blockchain (maybe just broadcasts?) but there'd be a use case where Christians not savvy about tech who could meaningfully participate. If you wanted, you could do Proof of Prayer (PoP) as another way to earn BBP.

3) You could also tie it in with orphan letter writing this way as well? Show image of child, profile, and ability to reply to orphan with a letter.

4) A general p2p messaging system within BBP would increase use of BiblePay wallet.

These are great suggestions.

Also consider an enable/disable button if the user doesn't want the prayers on the front/overview page of their wallet
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who from BTT using wikishit? this informations must be on WEB of BBP .....

its so hard to pay from superblock monthly budget for professional graphic youtuber?He can make video tutorial...... all best coins got it...very pity

I believe Wiki is the more appropriate choice in this case, as it allows one to refer to each relevant definition.

In contrast to appealing to people with ADD (attention deficit disorder).

The youtube video would be fine however to accentuate a streamlined and existing process.

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https://www.mintnodes.com/coins/BBP

If you a spare 100k BBP, put in the pool. Only 900k more needed to start 1 masternode.

Thanks.

The guy seems pretty reasonable in his e-mail exchanges to me; I'll throw a couple mil in the service and join the group.

But remember all, Invest at your own risk, and do not put in anything you cant spare to lose.

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who from BTT using wikishit? this informations must be on WEB of BBP .....

its so hard to pay from superblock monthly budget for professional graphic youtuber?He can make video tutorial...... all best coins got it...very pity
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Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?



Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.



My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  Grin

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.



Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.





I started making this Wiki page to help explain the above answers:

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Getting_Started_With_PODC

I hope this helps; please anyone let me know if more needs added or edited.

This brought up two important points:

1) We should ask Lich to add hover-over or help to the biblepay-central site to whatever fields NSummy mentioned above that are hard to understand for the user.

2) I just realized in the newest wallet, we sort of leave the user hanging in regards to knowing if they have the correct UTXO weight.  In the next version we help them understand if they need to install boinc, we auto create a RAH account, we attach RAH, we start the boinc tasks, we show the task count, we make it easy to associate a CPID, but then I believe we leave them hanging at the point where they dont know how much UTXO is on the network or if they will receive a superblock reward.  In light of that I think that is one more thing we need to squeeze in the next mandatory is some type of UTXO indicator on the DC page, and a Red narrative explaining their next payment is at risk due to having low UTXO weight etc...

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Couple of questions:

A.  How do I stake my entire balance?  Or does the wallet handle this automatically?

B.  So I cannot research for WCG exclusively?  I need to have some rosetta@home work in there also?  What is the reason for this?


I saw a post on reddit about some changes (they seem positive) coming.  If I could offer one piece of advice it would be to completely update the documentation and centralize it before making any more changes.  This entire project has turned into spaghetti code.  Features added, features removed, some info on bitcointalk, some on the bbp forum, some on the website, some on the wiki.  The wiki is also worthless as there are no links to any pages.  Its impossible for anyone to keep up with this coin without a significant time suck.  And to find out where things stand it feels like I have to read 30 pages of old forum posts.  Like it was sheer luck that I saw the thing about needing to research for R@H too.  I have been doing strictly WCG.

Also I would recommend looking at Curecoin and how they handle Folding@home payments.  Their process is dead simple.


Well respectfully, it hasn't turned into spaghetti code, it turned into spaghetti documentation.  I think if you follow the testnet thread you will see that we are implementing 3 buttons to get started with 3 clicks for PODC mining.  The users voted that they want to KEEP the UTXO requirement, meaning that new users will need to still by bbp on the exchange to PODC mine - and that keeps a certain level of complexity in bbp in the next version.

Jaap is already focused on tweaking the documentation for new users and focused on a PR campaign.

The wallet stakes the entire UTXO amount (type exec totalrac to see the amount) automatically.

You cannot research just WCG today, but you CAN in the next mandatory.

Regarding Curecoin, and its centralized payment structure handled by the single point of failure, yes, it would be easy for us to emit a simple daily payment as well (like we do in our daily pool payment to all recipients at 10 am).  But we are not curecoin, and we have more features.

My apologies, my spaghetti code comment was referring to the documentation, I wasn't actually criticizing your github code  Grin

After going through the documentation  yet again to make sure everything is configured correctly, I think I realized what the main problem is with setting this up.  The only documentation out there either explains in paragraphs the ideas of podc or is simplistic handholding.  Making it difficult for someone who needs the brass tacks to get the correct information. 

For example on one page it would be nice to see :

 - the definitions (in a list) of CPIDS, Magnitude, Task Weight, UTXO Weight, Sanctuaries, Proposals, Accountability, PODC, POBH. This stuff doesn't need to be super in depth, just needs to say what each term is, and what it does. Too many BBP-specific acronyms and terms are thrown around

- Better differentiation of the PODC and POBC.  Maybe instead of heat mining call it traditional mining.  Also what isn't clear (to me), does podc secure the network at all? I am guessing no. It would be good to explain (briefly) why there are 2 methods of getting BBP.  And unless I am missing something, podc is not actually mining, which brings me to my next point

-  Staking.  Is it staking or mining?  I see it referred to as staking but then I also read that it is really mining pobh, just on a lower limit.  Which is it?

- Requirements of PODC.  This is all over the place.  What are the actual requirements to earn it, in list form.  I get that its at least:  boinc research, member of team, wallet open and staking.  Is there more?  does heat mining also have to be enabled? How often do I need to submit a R@H project?  Does one always have to be running?

- Explanation of what a superblock is, how often they occur, and how the payouts are calculated.  Again simplicity is key.

- I realize this is a 3rd party site, but really if someone could understand this page, I think most of their questions would be answered:  https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1989000/   This is mine for example. I have 113,188 BBP.  This is like reading Greek.  I see rewards in the list, yet at the top it says Reward: 0, Next Payment no data, block budget 0.  Again, what is magnitude, and why is the biblepay rac difference from normal rac?  Why does my UTXO amount change?  What is the weight and why does it change?  On the podc updates tab the pdoc amount fluctuates even more.


Also in the wallet console, if you type help, none of those boinc commands are present.



Thanks!  This is definitely where we are lacking.  I'll help out on this today.

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For now, please add 'utxooverride=1500000' and resend a podc update.

Now getboincinfo shows WCG correctly.

I am running wallet version 1145

Should I upgrade and remove utxooverride=1500000 ?

Yes, please upgrade, then comment or remove the utxooveride (I comment by putting an x in front of the key), then run, then:

Then please try 'exec podcupdate true' and lets see if it sends the right amount.

I installed latest wallet 1156 and removed utxooverride=1500000

utxoreport b340524a41bd87f75c2927ad0a24f0bc
{
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (342189 BBP) [TXID=d6db2254a29e5684d54dae74f6528bcd7ea433962cecea3d42263858daabbbcc] ": "0.01",
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (1499999 BBP) [TXID=22e39fa31baf1cd5d1f954fe6f9a2e17d72d7626be56685dfe1061fb042aee7a] ": "0.00",
  "73626 [09-28-2018 05:34:47] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=b365ecebb70b36c86f3f5c348e9c9b1456091dfff6e6779c945d370be4f954e5] ": "0.14",
  "73592 [09-28-2018 01:23:18] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=f20be7f43008229bc5fd4b773c6d851ec800c2418aa86ef8518ff77c228a25c0] ": "0.17",
  "73551 [09-27-2018 21:00:02] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=198febcb0a45e32ee4bde244bc349be7b1011d5124fbbd21ea35f5b36483cf83] ": "0.18",
  "73519 [09-27-2018 16:45:09] (1560716 BBP) [TXID=57e71c2a05a3c6bc7be44953eafc7b27c77fc6cdc47fd004997d3366cad832ae] ": "0.18",
  "73489 [09-27-2018 13:28:33] (4702 BBP) [TXID=7d3543540d2b3d3ca7678d43d7426f8ee7357263523f4974eb093f8be4d09cc8] ": "0.14",
  "73449 [09-27-2018 08:51:36] (4580 BBP) [TXID=a0b4eb2bdce6cae091693202eee90297056ae578a5766074e39def4869a7eb9a] ": "0.19",
  "73411 [09-27-2018 04:07:32] (4580 BBP) [TXID=0ee14beb1e04a589291ea8240d2946dd8bb577909e437a0754066a17d68e6f55] ": "0.20",

This doesn't look good, I will switch back to: utxooverride=1800000



I'd like to help solve this permanently, as I feel we need to get down to 0 problems, and simplify this for the influx of new users.

So on the latest version if you run the 'exec totalrac', does that total rac reflect the correct sum of both your wcg + rah or is it off?  If you run 'exec getboincinfo', does that command output the correct WCG and RAH rac individually?  Another words is it apparent where our calculation is showing a low UTXO?

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totikk is your worker added on pool?  Wink
Yes, certainly.
It was on the My Leaderboard a few hours ago. Now at My Missing Miners

Screanshot:



Hi Totikk,
Sorry to hear you are having so many startup issues with our infrastructure.  I see you have moved from 0 to 20 UTXO weight.
Part of the problem is as of yesterday, we didn't know you had all that WCG RAC.  Now the 'exec totalrac' is showing correctly meaning you need even more coins for full UTXOWeight.

However you should at least get the partial payment in the next superblock (@ 20%).

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What does it mean: (in getmininginfo)

  "podc_tried": 5,
  "podc_sent": 1,

Why are they not equal ?
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im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?

I am on Linux, maybe I didn't wait enough time.
I don't want to miss next payment, I will try again after next payment.
im using my linuxVPS for pow on pool and others linux machines for RAH+WCG .. on VPS i have deleted utxooveride and on cold WinWallet i have this

addnode=node.biblepay.org
addnode=biblepay.inspect.network
gen=1
genproclimit=0
minersleep=0
utxooverride=-1

all working w/problems
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im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?

I am on Linux, maybe I didn't wait enough time.
I don't want to miss next payment, I will try again after next payment.
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1156x64, Win10x64.
After some time wallet crashes with no errors.
Does there some logs? Maybe its help ?
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im intstalled 1156 on VPS ubuntu 16.04 and i dont have utxooveride


coinsinspect you using win wallet,right?
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For now, please add 'utxooverride=1500000' and resend a podc update.

Now getboincinfo shows WCG correctly.

I am running wallet version 1145

Should I upgrade and remove utxooverride=1500000 ?

Yes, please upgrade, then comment or remove the utxooveride (I comment by putting an x in front of the key), then run, then:

Then please try 'exec podcupdate true' and lets see if it sends the right amount.

I installed latest wallet 1156 and removed utxooverride=1500000

utxoreport b340524a41bd87f75c2927ad0a24f0bc
{
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (342189 BBP) [TXID=d6db2254a29e5684d54dae74f6528bcd7ea433962cecea3d42263858daabbbcc] ": "0.01",
  "73651 [09-28-2018 08:55:41] (1499999 BBP) [TXID=22e39fa31baf1cd5d1f954fe6f9a2e17d72d7626be56685dfe1061fb042aee7a] ": "0.00",
  "73626 [09-28-2018 05:34:47] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=b365ecebb70b36c86f3f5c348e9c9b1456091dfff6e6779c945d370be4f954e5] ": "0.14",
  "73592 [09-28-2018 01:23:18] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=f20be7f43008229bc5fd4b773c6d851ec800c2418aa86ef8518ff77c228a25c0] ": "0.17",
  "73551 [09-27-2018 21:00:02] (1500000 BBP) [TXID=198febcb0a45e32ee4bde244bc349be7b1011d5124fbbd21ea35f5b36483cf83] ": "0.18",
  "73519 [09-27-2018 16:45:09] (1560716 BBP) [TXID=57e71c2a05a3c6bc7be44953eafc7b27c77fc6cdc47fd004997d3366cad832ae] ": "0.18",
  "73489 [09-27-2018 13:28:33] (4702 BBP) [TXID=7d3543540d2b3d3ca7678d43d7426f8ee7357263523f4974eb093f8be4d09cc8] ": "0.14",
  "73449 [09-27-2018 08:51:36] (4580 BBP) [TXID=a0b4eb2bdce6cae091693202eee90297056ae578a5766074e39def4869a7eb9a] ": "0.19",
  "73411 [09-27-2018 04:07:32] (4580 BBP) [TXID=0ee14beb1e04a589291ea8240d2946dd8bb577909e437a0754066a17d68e6f55] ": "0.20",

This doesn't look good, I will switch back to: utxooverride=1800000

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I saw the latest PPA packages where compiled yesterday by Licht but after doing an apt-get update/upgrade, I still have the previous version.

¿Will it possibly take some hours to propagate?

You can check the status of the builds on this page:

https://launchpad.net/~biblepay/+archive/ubuntu/stable/+packages
(you can access this link from https://launchpad.net/~biblepay/+archive/ubuntu/stable => View package details)

Right now I see green checkmarks, which means you will successfully get the new version when you update, but in the past I've also seen a clock icon when the releases are up to a couple of hours old, which means they are pending (currently building). So I guess it takes a few hours for the green checkmarks to appear.
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totikk minersleep=0 delete it .. and why are you using genproc limit 30?  Roll Eyes ... use only 1core for pool and others cores for WCG/RAH
Experementing...I tryed to load CPU by PoW... I dont know what to do... It doestn load CPU at all.
No matter whow many threads i propose...
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totikk minersleep=0 delete it .. and why are you using genproc limit 30?  Roll Eyes ... use only 1core for pool and others cores for WCG/RAH
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