Topic: BiblePay | 10% to Orphan-Charity | RANDOMX MINING | Sanctuaries (Masternodes) - page 512. (Read 243386 times)

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:40:46 AM

Quote from: jaapgvk on April 19, 2018, 04:34:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:06:47 AM

Quote from: SVK Noko on April 19, 2018, 04:00:55 AM

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

I am talking about the combined RAC.

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The table is clear here. You need 20 BBP per RAC to get 100%. Not less.

17-19 BBP per RAC should only give you 90% UTXO weight.

184,677 * 20 = 3,693,540. That's what should be required to get 100% UTXO weight, yet it looks like he is still getting 100% by only staking 3,388,035.

Looks like he increased his stake now but the issue still persist since he didn't have to.

I made that table and I see my error.

Code:

Level 9	 17-19 BBP per 1 RAC	90%
Level 10	20 BBP per 1 RAC	100%

A whole category is missing, namely, there is nothing from 19 to 20 BBP/RAC. Everything above 19 BBP/RAC would give you 100% rewards, since everything is indeed rounded up to the nearest bracket. I will adjust the table so it will say 19+ BBP per 1 RAC.

The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

That changes everything then it is not 20 BBP per RAC like we voted to get 100% of the full reward but only 19. I don't think it should be that way since even the automatic podc updates seem to do 20 BBP per RAC + 10% just in case.

I don't understand what you mean by this:

Quote

The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

If you are right, then it would indeed perhaps be enough for the wallet to target 20BBP/RAC, since that already includes a 5% allowance. But maybe 10% is better and it could be 21BBP/RAC.

I'll also wait for an answer from Rob before changing anything in the table.

......
14+ to 16 ---> 80%
16+ to 18 ---> 90%
18+ to 20 ---> 100%

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 06:59:41 AM

Quote from: inblue on April 19, 2018, 05:12:06 AM

Quote from: inblue on April 19, 2018, 05:12:06 AM

I don't understand what you mean by this:

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The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

1. Perhaps he didn't realize you already changed the table (you were quick).
2. He probably meant to write "19 for 100%", not 20% (20 was in his head because of RAC).
3. He forgot that there is 1 BBP between 18.00000001 and 19.00000000 Grin

Yes I meant 100%. And no there is not 1 BBP between 18.00000001 and 19.00000000. There's 0.00000001 BBP Grin

Still the vote was for 20 BBP for 100%. Not 19.00000001 or 19.00000002 or w/e else. It should be 20 BBP per RAC. That makes a huge difference.

I remember Rob discussing that the scale would be stepped as it is now, and not absolute. So that discussion was ongoing at the time, but perhaps not explicit in the forum vote.
You will have to ask Rob why it is like this, possibly for coding reasons.

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I don't understand what you mean by this:

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The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

1. Perhaps he didn't realize you already changed the table (you were quick).
2. He probably meant to write "19 for 100%", not 20% (20 was in his head because of RAC).
3. He forgot that there is 1 BBP between 18.00000001 and 19.00000000 Grin

Yes I meant 100%. And no there is not 1 BBP between 18.00000001 and 19.00000000. There's 0.00000001 BBP Grin

Still the vote was for 20 BBP for 100%. Not 19.00000001 or 19.00000002 or w/e else. It should be 20 BBP per RAC. That makes a huge difference.

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Quote from: 616westwarmoth on April 18, 2018, 01:16:44 PM

I don't understand what you mean by this:

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The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

1. Perhaps he didn't realize you already changed the table (you were quick).
2. He probably meant to write "19 for 100%", not 20% (20 was in his head because of RAC).
3. He forgot that there is 1 BBP between 18.00000001 and 19.00000000 Grin

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Quote from: jaapgvk on April 17, 2018, 05:05:17 AM

Quote from: 616westwarmoth on April 16, 2018, 05:00:25 PM

Quote from: capulo on April 16, 2018, 04:32:23 PM

is there any problem with rosetta tasks again? all my computers have insufficient tasks amount Sad

I've not noticed it on my end and while the available tasks are a bit below average on the server, https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/server_status.php shows 2026 unsent Rosetta tasks and 13234 Rosetta Mini tasks so you shouldn't be having an issue.

My test machines are supposed to arrive tomorrow and I'll split them evenly between WCG and R@h so in a few days should have a good baseline for what is to be expected between the two for determining a fair RAC equivalent. But in the meantime, you might consider throwing some power at WCG as a hedge. The R@h project we're tending to be in the 15% work performed range (we solved 13% of the work units overall yesterday), whereas if we did a comparable amount of work at WCG (roughly 5M RAC) we'd be around 3-5% (although right now we're less than 1%). That is to say the WCG project can handle the influx much better than R@h can.

Sadly, my instances were terminated before I could get any accurate data. I don't have any similar machines at my disposal anymore and sadly I cannot afford to start again at this point.

So far I've got 2 smaller machines that have been up for a week and are showing mid 2300 under host average credit (in BOINC), and the two identical machines to those were showing 3800 RAC.

I did fire up four identical heavier computers last night ,two on R@h and two on WCG, it will take until the end of the weekend to begin to get meaningful data from those.

Would you mind telling exactly which processors are in the "smaller" and "heavier" computers? I am wondering approximately how much RAC is obtained in regard to computing power. Thank you.

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:40:46 AM

Quote from: jaapgvk on April 19, 2018, 04:34:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:06:47 AM

Quote from: SVK Noko on April 19, 2018, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

I am talking about the combined RAC.

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The table is clear here. You need 20 BBP per RAC to get 100%. Not less.

17-19 BBP per RAC should only give you 90% UTXO weight.

184,677 * 20 = 3,693,540. That's what should be required to get 100% UTXO weight, yet it looks like he is still getting 100% by only staking 3,388,035.

Looks like he increased his stake now but the issue still persist since he didn't have to.

I made that table and I see my error.

Code:

Level 9	 17-19 BBP per 1 RAC	90%
Level 10	20 BBP per 1 RAC	100%

A whole category is missing, namely, there is nothing from 19 to 20 BBP/RAC. Everything above 19 BBP/RAC would give you 100% rewards, since everything is indeed rounded up to the nearest bracket. I will adjust the table so it will say 19+ BBP per 1 RAC.

The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

That changes everything then it is not 20 BBP per RAC like we voted to get 100% of the full reward but only 19. I don't think it should be that way since even the automatic podc updates seem to do 20 BBP per RAC + 10% just in case.

I don't understand what you mean by this:

Quote

The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 20%.

If you are right, then it would indeed perhaps be enough for the wallet to target 20BBP/RAC, since that already includes a 5% allowance. But maybe 10% is better and it could be 21BBP/RAC.

I'll also wait for an answer from Rob before changing anything in the table.

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Quote from: jaapgvk on April 19, 2018, 04:34:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:06:47 AM

Quote from: SVK Noko on April 19, 2018, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

I am talking about the combined RAC.

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The table is clear here. You need 20 BBP per RAC to get 100%. Not less.

17-19 BBP per RAC should only give you 90% UTXO weight.

184,677 * 20 = 3,693,540. That's what should be required to get 100% UTXO weight, yet it looks like he is still getting 100% by only staking 3,388,035.

Looks like he increased his stake now but the issue still persist since he didn't have to.

I made that table and I see my error.

Code:

Level 9	 17-19 BBP per 1 RAC	90%
Level 10	20 BBP per 1 RAC	100%

A whole category is missing, namely, there is nothing from 19 to 20 BBP/RAC. Everything above 19 BBP/RAC would give you 100% rewards, since everything is indeed rounded up to the nearest bracket. I will adjust the table so it will say 19+ BBP per 1 RAC.

The table should then be 17-18 for 90% and 19 for 100%.

That changes everything then it is not 20 BBP per RAC like we voted to get 100% of the full reward but only 19. I don't think it should be that way since even the automatic podc updates seem to do 20 BBP per RAC + 10% just in case.

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 04:06:47 AM

Quote from: SVK Noko on April 19, 2018, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

I am talking about the combined RAC.

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The table is clear here. You need 20 BBP per RAC to get 100%. Not less.

17-19 BBP per RAC should only give you 90% UTXO weight.

184,677 * 20 = 3,693,540. That's what should be required to get 100% UTXO weight, yet it looks like he is still getting 100% by only staking 3,388,035.

Looks like he increased his stake now but the issue still persist since he didn't have to.

I made that table and I see my error.

Code:

Level 9	 17-19 BBP per 1 RAC	90%
Level 10	20 BBP per 1 RAC	100%

A whole category is missing, namely, there is nothing from 19 to 20 BBP/RAC. Everything above 19 BBP/RAC would give you 100% rewards, since everything is indeed rounded up to the nearest bracket. I will adjust the table so it will say 19+ BBP per 1 RAC.

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Quote from: SVK Noko on April 19, 2018, 04:00:55 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

I am talking about the combined RAC.

https://wiki.biblepay.org/Distributed_Computing

The table is clear here. You need 20 BBP per RAC to get 100%. Not less.

17-19 BBP per RAC should only give you 90% UTXO weight.

184,677 * 20 = 3,693,540. That's what should be required to get 100% UTXO weight, yet it looks like he is still getting 100% by only staking 3,388,035.

Looks like he increased his stake now but the issue still persist since he didn't have to.

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

1. Regarding BBP stake, everything above 90% means 100% utxo.

2. Regarding the RAC: RAC means Rosetta RAC; Biblepay RAC means TotalRAC * utxo%; TotalRAC (via exec totalrac) means Rosetta RAC plus WCG RAC

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:22:21 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

RAC on site is not what I can see in by exec totalrac.
My totalrac is 1226.98
site has
RAC: 670
Biblepay RAC: 495

I think utxo weight is calculated from totalrac.

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Activity: 48

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

I don't think it should be that way. It shouldn't be rounded up or down, and then by how much? 10%? The client is already rounding up by 10% just in case if you use the automatic update, I don't think the sanctuaries should round up anything.

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Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:10:37 AM

Quote from: Cryptoalt1990 on April 19, 2018, 03:04:17 AM

Hi Bible_pay,

It looks like the staking bug isn't actually fixed?

https://www.biblepay-central.org/en/podc/user/1995180/

He has a RAC of 184,677, stake of 3,388,035 and he is still getting a 100% UTXO weight. Shouldn't he at least stake 3,693,540 to get 100% UTXO weight?

184677*20*0.9=3324186 so he is ok

Why *0.9? Isn't it just 20 bbp per RAC?

I believe your % is rounded up, except when below 5% when it is rounded down to 0

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