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What about this?

Transfer complete control of the entire ICO to David, and have smart contracts written for the funding of the various projects and development needed.


I know we are building a trustless, decentralized system, but in this case; and to begin with, there is still a massive amount of human trust needed to launch this project efficiently.  In cryptos, trust is built by successful and field tested developers, which David is.

I believe with the smart contracts in place and the control, being given to the designer of the project; public transparency and trust could be adequately achieved with little to no question on the merit of the project, with superior program efficient control of all funds.

At this point, I can see a troll storm comin... and newbie dev team with a fistful of public money, well, it'll feed the hurricane.

As shallow as it seems, I would not give 5$ to a newbie dev ico.

For Zimbeck, I would consider an adequate investment as he is an extremely respected and long standing member of the crypto community.  He is also is beyond greed and truly has a passion for the completion and implementations of the core of cryptocurrency philosophy.

This could be something huge, but right now it is unfortunately appearing not much more then rest, fancy looking marketing and maybes, without any backbone but the lead dev, who's credibility is completely alone and on the line.

The 'wait and see' investors, will be much smaller then the 'I believe in this investors'.

I want to believe. (-;

I believe in Zimbeck but Bitbay Team, A little more please.  Wink



We understand your concern. We have a team of VERY talented people. Mr Zimbeck heads up our development side and as such he will have his own account with funds set aside for the purpose of bitbay coin development. We have a marketing side which will have some funds set aside for them as well. The majority of the funds will be held in our new wallet with multi-sig. David will have one of those keys and a voice as to how funds are spent.

It's your prerogative to invest or not. We are not forcing anyone to invest. If you chose to do so that you that on your own volition.

Awesome thanks for the reply.  Again although vague.  Majority is not good enough, as whoever you are has no risk here. The only risk is the public's and Davids.
I am not speaking on his behalf here in anyway, just know that he is an integral part of cryptos in general, and do not want to see him shoved through the mud, by the assault of trolls that will come if the ICO is completed at anything less then perfection.  Which is the program you are selling in your ICO; trustless perfection.  To use it to mitigate these risks would seem logical.

Of course it is everyone's perogative to invest or not. That is not the issue.  The issue would of course be, the actual implementation of this project into your own marketing strategy, and 'business' structure involving control of the public funds.

If its smart contracts you're selling, (of course among other things) the entire project should be run with them to stand by your project and the developer creating the core of it.  I would believe involving smart contracts, public transparency on all aspects of every contract, would be quite easily produced for public review.  After all it is their/our money. 

Again, as much as i would love to believe your 17th post 'We are a team of VERY talented people', 'well most of the money will have a multisig'; im sorry but it presently has no merit.

There is no plan for this in your brilliant marketing.  (I assume this is what you mean by talented, it is quite good)

Cryptos cannot afford another failed ipo, especially in the dire need to see a project like this succeed.
This is why i am speaking and asking.

Again thank you for your reply.  Just figure you can do better then.. 'well, don't invest if you don't wanna. the lead dev has a say in most of it..'
 His ass. Should be his show.

 The entire project should be laid out in smart contracts based on this premise.


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Yeah man, chill. When you invest in facebook does Mark send you an email stating where he plans on spending your invested funds?

For example: Seriously lol!
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I'm not receiving stake rewards for past few days (ever since I updated my wallet). I've been unlocking my wallet every day and leaving it on for 6+ hours. Today it shows that my weight is less than what it was in the begining (when I first installed the wallet). It was showing 59k and today it's showing 14k.

Am I the only one who is having issue with stake after installing new wallet?  Huh

Solution would be nice.
solution: leave it open for staking longer than 6 hours, bam problem solved!
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David, thanks for answering all our questions so eloquently and for doing the Demovideo for BitBay. I've never invested in Blackcoin before but you are definitely representing your brand well in this thread, so if you gentlemen would excuse me now Im gonna pick up some more Bay and I'm gonna buy some Blackcoin as well.

I really have to agree, I'm only on page 35 of this thread and it's just been an attack so far, but David has really handled himself and his brand with class and I'm only getting happier and more excited to have invested.

http://youtu.be/wZp3Up5Y4pE also a pretty good video here explaining more about smart contracts for anyone who is interested
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I'm not receiving stake rewards for past few days (ever since I updated my wallet). I've been unlocking my wallet every day and leaving it on for 6+ hours. Today it shows that my weight is less than what it was in the begining (when I first installed the wallet). It was showing 59k and today it's showing 14k.

Am I the only one who is having issue with stake after installing new wallet?  Huh

Solution would be nice.
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Seems to me what is happening here is quite different from Aerocoin. I have been reading pretty carefully between the lines of both the BitBay info and the BC public announcements, & there are some very interesting contours here. Some major chinese backing, hedging mechanism against the yuan, the recruitment of the black halo team to drop in a turn-key solution, multinational dev teams being hired to build out the ecosystem, other decentralized markets not quite ready for prime time - someone is putting together something very big here. I think that's what the people complaining about 3000 btc are missing.

The AMA with the halo guys is going to be very interesting, not the least being what they don't say about the whole china connection.



That's a great summary.  Thanks for that.

I'll be at the AMA too. I have a few questions. This sounds like it could have some huge potential especially with investors in Asia and western worlds.

It's rare that you get interest in an alt across the globe.  Usually it's specific to a region.  

Agreed, I haven't gotten to read the AMA yet but the global interest in this coin so early after launch and as I'm reading even pre launch is/was impressive
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I agree with most of this post but regarding that last statement, when have you ever seen an altcoin that's worth more a year after launch than in the first 2 months of launch ? Anything that's ever shown any promise in this market gets its valuation priced in very quickly - within a month or two if not immediately.

After that it's all downhill.

It hasn't been a year for many alt coins.

But Maidsafe is worth double (just under by about .0008 as of this post) what it was sold at IPO and is very Bullish right now.  I bought at the IPO for that one and haven't sold.

For what it is worth, your assessment is largely correct but there is a difference here in Bay if the team really is dedicated (the team that is not David).  They have the benefit of a long R&D process and commissioned a leading dev to deliver next gen material so that they can implement their business model.  It sounds to me that the process occurred with the end goal being the economics of the marketplace and not the coin itself - meaning that they are trying for real world application instead of developing a platform that is functional but with theoretical value. 

My two cents...
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@DEV

Thank you guys bring this fantastic tech to community, I have a question, how can you implement reverse-transaction, like  I buy a goods but when  I receive it I found it's bad, so how can you deal with this scenario, can you explain it in tech perspective?


Because its double deposit the contracts are unbreakable. Please read my whitepaper at BitHalo.org. By both parties making an advanced deposit they have to work together. Escrow extensions are allowed but if they dont play nice the money is destroyed.

Thanks this also answers my previous question! Smiley
Hence why I should read the whole thread before asking. Well 95 pages to go

I know there are plans for a much-needed FAQ (with links) on the website, once fleshed out - or in the OP of this thread - which should make finding this information much more accessible to everyone. Smiley  I found the read mostly very interesting however - hopefully you will too!
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@DEV

Thank you guys bring this fantastic tech to community, I have a question, how can you implement reverse-transaction, like  I buy a goods but when  I receive it I found it's bad, so how can you deal with this scenario, can you explain it in tech perspective?


Because its double deposit the contracts are unbreakable. Please read my whitepaper at BitHalo.org. By both parties making an advanced deposit they have to work together. Escrow extensions are allowed but if they dont play nice the money is destroyed.

Thanks this also answers my previous question! Smiley
Hence why I should read the whole thread before asking. Well 95 pages to go
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So investing a few hundred or perhaps thousands of dollars into a venture which has a decent potential of becoming a similar valuation in a year or so is a pretty amazing opportunity.

I agree with most of this post but regarding that last statement, when have you ever seen an altcoin that's worth more a year after launch than in the first 2 months of launch ? Anything that's ever shown any promise in this market gets its valuation priced in very quickly - within a month or two if not immediately.

After that it's all downhill.

You're lucky if the price is a quarter of it's speculative early priced-in valuation in a year's time so I wouldn't lead people on with that nonsense. Even Bitshares and Counterparty which are currently enjoying top 5 marketcaps after a year have never traded above their early post-launch prices. Peercoin had massive promise that was priced in out of the gate. The first POS coin. It's currently a quarter of it's highest trading values. Counterparty got near its February price a few weeks ago with its mega "Etherium+Bitcoin all you want in 1 package" announcement and even that didn't push above its post-pump price record.

Lets get real for once. These are experimental markets. Developers try out new things then move onto other stuff. They are at the mercy of commercial dynamics over which they have no control. If a new project hasn't established itself in a couple of months of launch - forget it. There's too much other stuff going on.

Oh I totally agree with you on that matter (actually, despite what you or others might think - I agree with numerous aspects).  However, that's why I draw many parallels to the dot-com bubble in the late 90s in my posts - and for that matter in my approach to crypto-investments in general.  In every coin I've ever invested in I've bought large up front in coins I supported either for technical/developmental reasons (which is why I mined/bought a ton of BC in the beginning, and did the same with DRK, BTM, and XC) or conceptual/social reasons (which is why I did the same with DOGE and now BAY).

Just because there are traders manipulating both emotions and market dynamics for their personal profit - doesn't mean that every coin is a scam and every developer is planning on running away from their project.  Nor does it mean that the price can't be 100X as much in 2-3 years as it is today - I agree however that we're talking about a "1% outside chance" there and it's definitely not the common or expected result... but it's also not outside the realm of possibility.  There are a million scams in every market: insurance, welfare, stock/bond markets, real estate, commodities... for every opportunity that turns into a long-term win, there are 250 that are long-term losers.  However, if you wait for undeniable proof of which something is... the price has already risen to the level that the gains are no longer significant.

Basically, I respect your skepticism and doubt - unlike the whining and conspiracy theories of some who prefer making Hitler videos or spending 50 hours per week posting drivel and insults... but less than 5 minutes per month actually attempting to do anything constructive.  Although some may cry "FUD" at both - I believe your concern lies primarily in cautioning ignorant or naive investors from making irrevocable mistakes in this unproven market... and for that I say "keep it up".

On the other hand, regardless of the number of times I'm proven to be overly optimistic in supporting something that turns out badly... the benefits to doing exactly that as far as BTC, PPC, BC, DRK, XC, BTM, etc.  - have provided more than enough 'slush profits' to write off losing bets like CLOAK, VTC, VRC, FLT,UTC, etc.

At any rate... keep asking questions - and providing cautionary advice to people.  I'm fine with the risks I take - but there can always be an advantage (even to me) in someone pushing the other side as well.  Open discourse is the only sure way to succeed as a collective. Cheers.

PS... I still feel very optimistic about my BAY holdings... and am still acquiring more on the dips.  Just for full disclosure. Smiley

On the 'ebay discussion' - you guys realize you are arguing about different things, right?  Operating expenses != annual revenue.  However, I don't think anyone in their right mind believes honestly that this will become the next ebay... or even the next craigslist... but it just might become 'Etsy.com + DHGate.com + oDesk.com' or something similar.  By itself etsy makes over $350M a year in revenue on sales of over $1B! (Yeah I know... surprised the hell out of me too).  Shocked
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What's the latest on the wallet upgrade with smart contracts?
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Whether it's $3 or 7 billion, it's still an awful lot of money to me and if BitBay would only make 1% of that amount it would be gigantic to me.
Plus I expect that the overhead costs will be way lower with BitBay.

+ Yup....this messed up thing is there is no real alternative for ebay for doing International business (alibaba is close but not quite the same)
i was trading my miners on Ebay i sold more then $ 10.000,00 of miners ended up paying more then $ 1.000,00 for just fees how sick is this? combine this with alot of fraud with Paypal/Ebay, the first party who introduces fair trading and also minimal fees has the potential for succeding in revenue 10 folds what Ebay does now. Ebay also damages international and fair trading, so with Bitbay we can repair the confidence and have more revenue..


I will never sell this coin.

wot  Huh

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Buy It On BitBay

Has a nice ring to it Smiley

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People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

Sounds like a good biz opp. There will always be those that need or want a 3rd party to escrow the deal.

There will also be those that will need this explained and a may need a little help to understand the software/marketplace.

I've been offering escrow for years now and I do not see this as a end to those services. In fact I hope to see it built into the client for escrow (i imagine it will be alot like bitrated where I, or multi-escrowers(why choose one) wouldn't even know about the escrow unless there is a dispute or I wish to charge a fee)

I just may need to tweak what I offer and how I offer it.

Stay the course.. We are NOT there yet.



I can imagine some of the mods earlier mentioned in this thread acting as an escrow, but I dont know Id like to hear David expand on this as well.
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People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

That's a valid downside to smart contracts. You need to posses a certain level of liquidity before you can engage them. This is also why escrows are usually only implemented professionally.

Then again, this may only take a culture shift before it hits the mainstream. I don't think people have truly considered the scale on which the sharing economy could take place. No trades, just lending items to locals. That's where smart contracts for small scale thirds really starts to shine.
     BC before

Actually, people sell things to buy other things, especially on ebay. I've been selling on ebay since 2000 and I can tell very few sellers do it because they are poor and need the money, that niche was taken by Craigs List. There is a huge amount of money to be made in these markets and the landscape is ripe for a sea change....
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People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

That's a valid downside to smart contracts. You need to posses a certain level of liquidity before you can engage them. This is also why escrows are usually only implemented professionally.

Then again, this may only take a culture shift before it hits the mainstream. I don't think people have truly considered the scale on which the sharing economy could take place. No trades, just lending items to locals. That's where smart contracts for small scale thirds really starts to shine.
     BC before
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People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

That's a valid downside to smart contracts. You need to posses a certain level of liquidity before you can engage them. This is also why escrows are usually only implemented professionally.

Then again, this may only take a culture shift before it hits the mainstream. I don't think people have truly considered the scale on which the sharing economy could take place. No trades, just lending items to locals. That's where smart contracts for small scale thirds really starts to shine.
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Whether it's $3 or 7 billion, it's still an awful lot of money to me and if BitBay would only make 1% of that amount it would be gigantic to me.
Plus I expect that the overhead costs will be way lower with BitBay.

+ Yup....this messed up thing is there is no real alternative for ebay for doing International business (alibaba is close but not quite the same)
i was trading my miners on Ebay i sold more then $ 10.000,00 of miners ended up paying more then $ 1.000,00 for just fees how sick is this? combine this with alot of fraud with Paypal/Ebay, the first party who introduces fair trading and also minimal fees has the potential for succeding in revenue 10 folds what Ebay does now. Ebay also damages international and fair trading, so with Bitbay we can repair the confidence and have more revenue..

For that reason, I am waiting the BitBay market to sell everything with lower price then EfuckingBay... Looking forward to see the market soon  Grin
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NOT FUD! FACTS!
what about an asset exchange?
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Leave everything to me!
People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

Sounds like a good biz opp. There will always be those that need or want a 3rd party to escrow the deal.

There will also be those that will need this explained and a may need a little help to understand the software/marketplace.

I've been offering escrow for years now and I do not see this as a end to those services. In fact I hope to see it built into the client for escrow (i imagine it will be alot like bitrated where I, or multi-escrowers(why choose one) wouldn't even know about the escrow unless there is a dispute or I wish to charge a fee)

I just may need to tweak what I offer and how I offer it.

Stay the course.. We are NOT there yet.

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People sell stuff when they need money. They need money because they don't have any. When they don't have any money, they can't place the escrow deposit.  Huh

i think a relatively small percentage of Ebay sellers are in the desperately poor / last resort category : -)

however, i would like to see some concrete examples of different escrows / different smart contracts that cover different degrees of risk.
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