EVERYONE SAY HELLO TO GEKKO WHO THREATENED ME ONE MORE THAN ONE OCCASION
AND MEET STEVEN AND LIN THE PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO PAY BACK INTO THE PROJECT.
[12/6/2014 4:06:05 PM] linhan.ee: Yes I see some trouble in our group recently. Steven is a very nice guy. He wants to keep everybody happy
[12/6/2014 4:07:47 PM] linhan.ee: He used his own (including mine) coins (BTC and BAY) to handle this
[12/6/2014 4:07:57 PM] linhan.ee: I believe him
[12/6/2014 4:08:02 PM] linhan.ee: he is so nice
[12/6/2014 4:08:13 PM] linhan.ee: he just wants this to be a successful project
[12/6/2014 4:08:28 PM] cryptosteven: sorry for my inexperienced on Project manager. just back to airport now.
[12/6/2014 4:09:07 PM] linhan.ee: Steven, I am glad you're back. Hopefully you have had a wonderful trip
[12/6/2014 4:09:53 PM] cryptosteven: thanks lin.
[12/6/2014 4:12:31 PM] linhan.ee: guess we need to work things out and keep this project well going. This is really a wonderful project and we had a perfect start. we should't be beaten by ourselves
[12/6/2014 4:13:18 PM] Gekko: With the attitude and lack of listening / cooperation. I think it's clear to see the destiny of this coin.
[12/6/2014 4:15:19 PM] Gekko: There are only a few crucial elements we needed to be a success. I've made it clear some our meeting, and those items continue to be denied. My hands are tied, I can only wait and see how the other partners step up now.
[12/6/2014 4:15:22 PM] linhan.ee: We could get much more if we cooperate together
[12/6/2014 4:17:21 PM] linhan.ee: David, I am glad you are also here
[12/6/2014 4:17:29 PM] David Zimbeck: ive been trying my best
[12/6/2014 4:17:34 PM] David Zimbeck: thats why i set up a Trello
[12/6/2014 4:17:36 PM] cryptosteven: we should cooperate together to make this be a success.
[12/6/2014 4:17:43 PM] David Zimbeck: and begged everyone to help me hire
[12/6/2014 4:17:45 PM] cryptosteven: how is the test going?
[12/6/2014 4:17:58 PM] David Zimbeck: the tests were done last night by 3 of my guys
[12/6/2014 4:18:05 PM] David Zimbeck: there should not have been any delays
[12/6/2014 4:18:11 PM] cryptosteven: should we release this to community today?
[12/6/2014 4:18:15 PM] cryptosteven: or need more test?
[12/6/2014 4:18:16 PM] David Zimbeck: of course
[12/6/2014 4:18:28 PM] linhan.ee: David, maybe I can help since I have company and I can hire more people
[12/6/2014 4:18:37 PM] David Zimbeck: lin that would be wonderful
[12/6/2014 4:18:38 PM] cryptosteven: or we can have a pubic test for community
[12/6/2014 4:18:47 PM] David Zimbeck: so far ive only been asking steven and gekko
[12/6/2014 4:18:53 PM] David Zimbeck: i realize they are both busy
[12/6/2014 4:19:14 PM] David Zimbeck: you are right about Steven, Lin
[12/6/2014 4:19:21 PM] David Zimbeck: he is a wonderful person and so kind
[12/6/2014 4:19:22 PM] linhan.ee: I know but if you can let me know the reqired skills, I can hire someone to do works
[12/6/2014 4:19:24 PM] David Zimbeck: maybe too kind
[12/6/2014 4:19:39 PM] David Zimbeck: i want someone who is very skilled in c++
[12/6/2014 4:19:48 PM] David Zimbeck: for non-python tasks
[12/6/2014 4:19:55 PM] David Zimbeck: and perhaps a project manager
[12/6/2014 4:20:06 PM] David Zimbeck: if they know bitcoin logic its a big plus
[12/6/2014 4:20:17 PM] linhan.ee: that's even better. people know more about c++ than python here in my city
[12/6/2014 4:20:45 PM] linhan.ee: the bad news is that they don't know bitconi logic at the beginning
[12/6/2014 4:20:49 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah i mean i can do most of the python myself
[12/6/2014 4:21:09 PM] David Zimbeck: if they dont, its ok lets just say if they are a master coder that works fast
[12/6/2014 4:21:12 PM] David Zimbeck: thats what matters
[12/6/2014 4:21:23 PM] David Zimbeck: their strengths should be in logic and debugging
[12/6/2014 4:22:01 PM] David Zimbeck: there is obvious issues with the new blackcoind source first of all
[12/6/2014 4:22:21 PM] David Zimbeck: it doesnt build well for windows. Sadly, the new build flubber sent doesnt work
[12/6/2014 4:22:26 PM] David Zimbeck: i need someone full time
[12/6/2014 4:22:34 PM] David Zimbeck: as of right now, im paying out of pocket
[12/6/2014 4:23:19 PM] David Zimbeck: my devs in cambodia are still learning luckily they are cheap about 150-500 per month per dev
[12/6/2014 4:23:22 PM] linhan.ee: It will take time for hiring a proper dev but I hired one guy for other thing and he is coming the next week. I can let him work on your job first but I am not sure if he can do it well since he needs time to learn bitcoin codes
[12/6/2014 4:23:34 PM] David Zimbeck: and i have one friend in the usa who will start work soon
[12/6/2014 4:23:46 PM] David Zimbeck: he is doing a big favor for us and working below minimum wage
[12/6/2014 4:24:06 PM] David Zimbeck: i can teach him
[12/6/2014 4:24:11 PM] David Zimbeck: a few hours a day
[12/6/2014 4:24:25 PM] linhan.ee: great. My guy is a skilled Qt dev. I will let him work on it next week
[12/6/2014 4:24:35 PM] David Zimbeck: it benefits me greatly to have more people who can do these things
[12/6/2014 4:25:01 PM] David Zimbeck: its crazy even with devs my workload got bigger not less
[12/6/2014 4:25:11 PM] David Zimbeck: because ive got to train them
[12/6/2014 4:25:17 PM] linhan.ee: That's right
[12/6/2014 4:25:26 PM] linhan.ee: I used to have the seem feeling
[12/6/2014 4:25:30 PM] David Zimbeck: and they havent even touched my main code
[12/6/2014 4:25:32 PM] David Zimbeck: "D
[12/6/2014 4:25:35 PM] David Zimbeck: ')
[12/6/2014 4:25:38 PM] David Zimbeck:
[12/6/2014 4:26:00 PM] David Zimbeck: Steven saw the code for himself yesterday lol
[12/6/2014 4:26:10 PM] linhan.ee: only if you got a very skilled person who can work independently very well
[12/6/2014 4:26:27 PM] David Zimbeck: its not easy to find
[12/6/2014 4:26:35 PM] linhan.ee: yes, it's very hard
[12/6/2014 4:26:41 PM] David Zimbeck: coindesk even had an article on this... how companies have money but no coders
[12/6/2014 4:26:44 PM] linhan.ee: we both have the experiences
[12/6/2014 4:27:02 PM] David Zimbeck:
http://www.coindesk.com/bridging-talent-gap-bitcoin-industry/[12/6/2014 4:27:19 PM] David Zimbeck: i think people underestimate how rare coders like you and i actually are
[12/6/2014 4:27:28 PM] linhan.ee: it's easy to find a coder but very hard to find a skilled one
[12/6/2014 4:27:39 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah and one who works fast
[12/6/2014 4:27:50 PM] David Zimbeck: because skill is meaningless if they cant hit a deadline
[12/6/2014 4:28:02 PM] linhan.ee: yes the one who can do things independently
[12/6/2014 4:28:03 PM] David Zimbeck: my coders are so slow i just do their work for them when my time frees up
[12/6/2014 4:28:14 PM] David Zimbeck: its already happened 3 times and with really easy tasks too
[12/6/2014 4:29:00 PM] linhan.ee: yes, I know one core coder can be 10x faster than a normal coder and do things much better
[12/6/2014 4:29:14 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah now i know why the job pays to much
[12/6/2014 4:29:28 PM] David Zimbeck: its what makes me curious about India
[12/6/2014 4:29:35 PM] David Zimbeck: i think Cambodia wasnt the best choice
[12/6/2014 4:29:50 PM] David Zimbeck: i did not realize this is not the field where saving money is the best strategy
[12/6/2014 4:30:21 PM] David Zimbeck: if one is to outsource they need to pull from the most popular and skilled destinations
[12/6/2014 4:30:44 PM] David Zimbeck: but india might be tricky too, since there are billions of people who knows what you will find
[12/6/2014 4:30:52 PM] David Zimbeck: im interviewing a team out there
[12/6/2014 4:31:14 PM] David Zimbeck: what actually concerns me right now, is the devs funds are very low and im forced to work on a shoe string budget
[12/6/2014 4:31:33 PM] David Zimbeck: already half of it has been eaten and none of it for developement
[12/6/2014 4:31:57 PM] linhan.ee: Yes, I know. we don't have much dev funds left. I will try my best to let my guys do some work for you
[12/6/2014 4:32:07 PM] David Zimbeck: thanks Lin
[12/6/2014 4:32:18 PM] linhan.ee: one week later, I will let the Qt guy work on this project
[12/6/2014 4:32:34 PM] linhan.ee: I will pay him by myself at the beginning
[12/6/2014 4:32:37 PM] David Zimbeck: if things get too tight i can even come out there
[12/6/2014 4:32:47 PM] David Zimbeck: and visit you and Steven in China
[12/6/2014 4:33:00 PM] David Zimbeck: are you also from
[12/6/2014 4:33:04 PM] David Zimbeck: Shanghai?
[12/6/2014 4:33:12 PM] linhan.ee: I am not far from Shanghai
[12/6/2014 4:33:21 PM] linhan.ee: I can go to Shanghai if necessory
[12/6/2014 4:33:33 PM] David Zimbeck: well i can go anywhere
[12/6/2014 4:33:35 PM] linhan.ee: but I don't think it will solve these issues
[12/6/2014 4:33:40 PM] David Zimbeck: when i say im going to do something, i do it
[12/6/2014 4:33:57 PM] David Zimbeck: price is never going to deter me
[12/6/2014 4:33:58 PM] linhan.ee: we still need to find proper devs
[12/6/2014 4:34:18 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah well worst case scenario i can do all the c++ work myself
[12/6/2014 4:34:26 PM] David Zimbeck: it just means people wait longer for pegging
[12/6/2014 4:34:39 PM] linhan.ee: thanks for your great work
[12/6/2014 4:34:52 PM] linhan.ee: Let's work together on the dev first
[12/6/2014 4:35:18 PM] linhan.ee: to releae your work load a little bit
[12/6/2014 4:35:23 PM] David Zimbeck: ok sure, whoever you find as long as they are fast and talented, i can teach them whatever they need to know
[12/6/2014 4:35:23 PM] linhan.ee: if not add
[12/6/2014 4:35:43 PM] David Zimbeck: i can always take on more work man
[12/6/2014 4:36:02 PM] linhan.ee: I don't want to add more workload. If you have some materials on the dev, you can let me know.
[12/6/2014 4:36:12 PM] linhan.ee: I will let him read and learn by himself
[12/6/2014 4:36:16 PM] David Zimbeck: well
[12/6/2014 4:36:22 PM] David Zimbeck: thats why a project manager would be good
[12/6/2014 4:36:32 PM] David Zimbeck: someone who is good with logic, management and flow charts
[12/6/2014 4:36:57 PM] David Zimbeck: someone who has managed coding teams before and knows exactly how to describe the logical flow of code
[12/6/2014 4:37:02 PM] David Zimbeck: and organize coders on git
[12/6/2014 4:37:21 PM] David Zimbeck: those would be the two key people that would help greatly
[12/6/2014 4:38:31 PM | Edited 4:38:56 PM] linhan.ee: Yes I am doing these work everyday on other projects of my company but I really don't have enough energy on this dev work and I don't have much experence in bitcoin core
[12/6/2014 4:39:07 PM] David Zimbeck: hmm
[12/6/2014 4:39:23 PM] linhan.ee: It's also too hard to find a new guy to do this
[12/6/2014 4:39:30 PM] David Zimbeck: yeah im just saying a project manager could also help me find more coders
[12/6/2014 4:39:41 PM] linhan.ee: that's right
[12/6/2014 4:39:49 PM] linhan.ee: but I can still help you to find coders
[12/6/2014 4:39:54 PM] David Zimbeck: the reason they have to be in China or India or Cambodia is because of the price
[12/6/2014 4:40:17 PM] linhan.ee: I have a manager in my company and he helps me to find coders all the time
[12/6/2014 4:42:36 PM] linhan.ee: OK, so we have some agreements and I will help to find more coders and I will let one of my guy work on the dev work (windows wallet). I will pay him at the beginning until he can really do something for this project
[12/6/2014 4:43:17 PM] David Zimbeck: ok thanks Lin
[12/6/2014 4:43:30 PM] David Zimbeck: if you need to get a hold of me, im always here
[12/6/2014 4:43:47 PM] linhan.ee: Thanks. No problem.
[12/6/2014 4:44:19 PM] linhan.ee: Steven, since we will have more devs work together. would you please create a new group for the devs?
[12/6/2014 4:47:06 PM] cryptosteven: yes we can have a group for coding people, and a group for marking people, gekko have setted a group for marketing and website.
[12/6/2014 4:48:02 PM] linhan.ee: great idea. that's more professional
[12/6/2014 5:11:05 PM] Gekko: There already has been a group for devs. That's where Flubber has helped me make everything remotely possible.
[12/6/2014 5:15:08 PM] cryptosteven: we can ask more coder join that group later.
[12/6/2014 5:16:18 PM] Gekko: Sure, but it won't be with David. My programmers know his capabilities (or lack thereof)
[12/6/2014 5:16:27 PM] David Zimbeck: excuse me?
[12/6/2014 5:16:37 PM] Gekko: Read up
[12/6/2014 5:16:45 PM] David Zimbeck: Gekko you got a fucking problem?
[12/6/2014 5:16:51 PM] Gekko: Yes
[12/6/2014 5:16:54 PM] Gekko: You
[12/6/2014 5:16:58 PM] David Zimbeck: why you always have a bug up your ass?
[12/6/2014 5:17:15 PM] Gekko: You're done "genius"
[12/6/2014 5:17:23 PM] David Zimbeck: excuse me???
[12/6/2014 5:17:36 PM] David Zimbeck: i just released your windows wallet you little monkey
[12/6/2014 5:17:44 PM] Gekko: You're not worth anymore of my time
[12/6/2014 5:17:57 PM] Gekko: I'll laugh as I burn you alive
[12/6/2014 5:18:01 PM] Gekko: Adios
[12/6/2014 5:18:02 PM] David Zimbeck: i didnt do jack shit to you
[12/6/2014 5:18:18 PM] David Zimbeck: you and Bob are really bad people
[12/6/2014 5:19:14 PM] Gekko: I'm the king of the monkey's. Su wa kong.
[12/6/2014 5:20:11 PM] David Zimbeck: Gekko you are like a girl
[12/6/2014 5:20:25 PM] David Zimbeck: all you know how to do is call names and make threats
[12/6/2014 5:20:46 PM] David Zimbeck: you are just like your friend Bob all you two do is ask for money from everyone
[12/6/2014 5:22:50 PM] Gekko: Want a tiny violin?
[12/6/2014 5:23:47 PM] Gekko: Watch and take a few lessons on what it takes to do business.
[12/6/2014 5:24:02 PM] David Zimbeck: it takes EMPLOYEES
[12/6/2014 5:24:06 PM] David Zimbeck: and CAPITAL
[12/6/2014 5:24:18 PM] David Zimbeck: not threats and stupidity
[12/6/2014 5:24:18 PM] Gekko: Lulz
[12/6/2014 5:25:14 PM] David Zimbeck: Gekko, if i pull my support for this project and discuss what you and Bob are doing, there is no project
[12/6/2014 5:25:40 PM] Gekko: Please
[12/6/2014 5:25:52 PM] Gekko: Do it now
[12/6/2014 5:26:28 PM] David Zimbeck: I think from now on, all discussions about Bay should simply exlude you and Bob
[12/6/2014 5:28:53 PM] Gekko: Ok, make me more $
[12/6/2014 5:29:04 PM] Gekko: Go away worm
[12/6/2014 5:29:29 PM] David Zimbeck: make you more money how?
[12/6/2014 5:29:51 PM] David Zimbeck: Brilliant decision hiring these guy Steven
[12/6/2014 5:30:04 PM] Gekko: I know your very smart.. try to think for a second
[12/6/2014 5:30:07 PM] David Zimbeck: I'm sorry but for you to allow this behavior and say nothing is not helpful
[12/6/2014 5:30:25 PM] David Zimbeck: why because you and Bob have coins?
[12/6/2014 5:30:36 PM] Gekko: Did it hurt?
[12/6/2014 5:31:01 PM] David Zimbeck: no of course nothing you say or do can hurt me
[12/6/2014 5:31:18 PM] David Zimbeck: you are just a little punk
[12/6/2014 5:31:32 PM] David Zimbeck: if you were in mexico talking to my face like this you would have been hurt bad
[12/6/2014 5:31:56 PM] David Zimbeck: you are god damn lucky both you and bob that you have not met me in person
[12/6/2014 5:32:31 PM] Gekko: As funny as it is to fuck with your ego, I've got other fish to fry. It's been a pleasure to rape you. Glad I could make a few bucks on your head
[12/6/2014 5:32:50 PM] David Zimbeck: good fuck off
[12/6/2014 5:32:51 PM] Gekko: Good luck repairing your image / name
[12/6/2014 5:33:02 PM] David Zimbeck: Lin and BTER are here
[12/6/2014 5:33:09 PM] Gekko: Lol
[12/6/2014 5:33:13 PM] Gekko: And?
[12/6/2014 5:33:30 PM] David Zimbeck: they will continue to work
[12/6/2014 5:33:36 PM] cryptosteven: no need to quarrel with each other. i really do not like this.
[12/6/2014 5:33:44 PM] David Zimbeck: Steven, no this is going to end here
[12/6/2014 5:34:41 PM] Gekko: I just think it's funny
[12/6/2014 5:34:42 PM] Gekko: You're right David, nobody will ever trust you again
[12/6/2014 5:34:54 PM] Gekko: Thanks for letting me use your name. Watch now as I destroy you
[12/6/2014 5:34:57 PM] cryptosteven: if we do not like each other, just leave peacefully. do not hurt anyone. we worked together before.
[12/6/2014 5:35:00 PM] David Zimbeck: lol go ahead
[12/6/2014 5:35:06 PM] Gekko: K
[12/6/2014 5:35:46 PM] David Zimbeck: You cant threaten me its obvious you have nothing better to do
[12/6/2014 5:36:09 PM] Gekko: No threat, only action now
[12/6/2014 5:36:38 PM] David Zimbeck: go ahead
[12/6/2014 5:36:44 PM] Gekko: I've been waiting for this moment
[12/6/2014 5:36:48 PM] David Zimbeck: pay your little fud team dump your coins
[12/6/2014 5:37:19 PM] Gekko: Coins don't matter. I'll have fun showing the truth.
[12/6/2014 5:37:43 PM] Gekko: Laughing as I smear you like the cockroach you are
[12/6/2014 5:38:03 PM] David Zimbeck: and i did NOTHING to you
[12/6/2014 5:38:05 PM] David Zimbeck: for the record
[12/6/2014 5:38:12 PM] David Zimbeck: so the only cockroach is you
[12/6/2014 5:38:20 PM] David Zimbeck: you are lucky i dont send someone to Taipei
[12/6/2014 5:38:47 PM] Gekko: You thought your rep was in trouble before. Now you will bleed out
[12/6/2014 5:38:53 PM] Gekko: Lol
[12/6/2014 5:39:00 PM] David Zimbeck: i dont care about my rep
[12/6/2014 5:39:09 PM] David Zimbeck: you think its some sort of threat
[12/6/2014 5:39:10 PM] Gekko: I know your sisters name
[12/6/2014 5:39:14 PM] David Zimbeck: who cares
[12/6/2014 5:39:18 PM] Gekko: I have your parents
[12/6/2014 5:39:23 PM] David Zimbeck: so what
[12/6/2014 5:39:44 PM] Gekko: You can only hope to shut your mouth now
[12/6/2014 5:39:59 PM] David Zimbeck: no i dont respond to threats from assholes like you
[12/6/2014 5:40:32 PM] Gekko: Ok, your words will be more than your own demise now
[12/6/2014 5:46:09 PM] Gekko: I have a lot of planning to do now. Adios.
[12/6/2014 5:46:16 PM] *** Gekko has left ***
[12/6/2014 5:46:55 PM] David Zimbeck: Bob its your turn to leave
[12/6/2014 10:24:52 PM] International Rob: steven, lin.... the only way this will work is if you put your doggy david in a cage and just let him out when its needed
[12/6/2014 10:25:09 PM] David Zimbeck: Gekko left
[12/6/2014 10:25:17 PM] International Rob: I cant deal with people who are so two faced
[12/6/2014 10:25:19 PM] David Zimbeck: you arent part of the project either
[12/6/2014 10:25:28 PM] International Rob: ohh im not?
[12/6/2014 10:25:30 PM] International Rob: im out???
[12/6/2014 10:25:32 PM] International Rob: ok cool
[12/6/2014 10:25:33 PM] David Zimbeck: nope go
[12/6/2014 10:25:34 PM] International Rob: laterz
[12/6/2014 10:37:04 PM] David Zimbeck: Lin, Steven, can you both please leave this thread?
[12/6/2014 10:37:12 PM] David Zimbeck: and then i will
[12/6/2014 10:46:12 PM | Edited 10:46:36 PM] linhan.ee: let's close this thread. it's harmful but not useful now
[12/6/2014 10:46:29 PM] David Zimbeck: how to do that?
[12/6/2014 10:46:55 PM] International Rob: lin
[12/6/2014 10:47:18 PM] International Rob: you don't have any problems with david being a partner to us but to everyone else hes just being paid for his tech
[12/6/2014 10:47:23 PM] International Rob: is that not a problem for you
[12/6/2014 10:47:24 PM] International Rob: ?
[12/6/2014 10:47:42 PM] linhan.ee: pleave leave me private messages
[12/6/2014 10:47:47 PM] David Zimbeck: Bob its just as reason for you to ask for 70BTC and for Gekko to threaten me
[12/6/2014 10:48:01 PM] *** linhan.ee has left ***
[12/6/2014 10:48:14 PM] David Zimbeck: Gekko already threatened me the thread is over
[12/6/2014 10:48:24 PM] International Rob: okk bro
[12/6/2014 10:48:27 PM] International Rob: later
[12/6/2014 10:48:28 PM] David Zimbeck: and somebody tried posting personal info of mine on a forum
[12/6/2014 10:48:37 PM] David Zimbeck: it got immediately deleted
