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Hi Aaron.

I read through your posts and 100% see your point here. I mean who wants to sell gems for free right now. Bay for this transaction did NOT work out.
Bay right now is not useful to sell on in a bear market. That is why the pegging is coming. Using bitbay market place right now is more for testing or fun to me. I mean selling on bay in a bull market now that's going to beneficial for the seller not so much the buyer. I don't think the bay market place will take off unti the pegging is set in. Also there are probably some other work arounds that can be done for this issue.

This point is clear. However do not sell your bay. I am certain you will be selling now at its lowest or near lowest point.

Also I am thankful for your efforts and interest in bitbay. You sound like a useful person to this community. So even if you don't wish to invest further yet then please stick around and give your input and ideas. The community needs more people with energy and ideas and experience in this field.

I think if you took away the market place and the peg bitbay still has many features more than most alt coins and David is capable of coding pretty much anything. So just having a dev like that and the features  bay has is worth a great deal more than most alts from this era.

I do think the market place and pegging (a form of pegging) will be huge once it is perfected and ready. This time is frustrating because only david is coding but he is doing his best and i see other projects promising what david has already nearly delivered

The UI and ease of use does need a lot of work for mainstream. I think once the web and mobile market place is here adoption will become more of a reality with the pegging.

I think there could be other options other as well as  the pegging to make the market place stable anyway

Altogether bitbay still has a way to go but I still feel it has already more to offer and already functioning than most alts and the full potential is not even near realised.

My advice whether you care to take it or not is do not cash out bay yet. No way this should be down at 400 sats.

I do hope David can get the new release out soon with at least the correct pos % though so investors have a little incentive not to churn.
Also would be great if there was a bay bank offering bonds as I suggested a few developers have PM and told me (they have been reading bays thread) that they think it is a great idea and a working towards something very similar.

Anyway was good to see some effort put into bay and someone taking time to comment on the software and their experience.
If you do leave now then perhaps check back later see what you think in a few months. I feel lose ends are about to get tied up.




Actually I think it did work out, he only needs to wait a month and it should shoot right back up. But yes, for all intents and purposes a volatile coin cannot be used as payment for items on a market for people who do not want to invest or take risks. AKA the peg.

But also like I pointed out, he can accept anything in exchange for his gems on our markets. The BitBay currency is only meant to protect the deal.

The new release by the way is almost done. In fact just today I did the freeze from start to finish in the UI. Here is a screenshot of it and the transaction that spent it. It is a lot of work because it had to have notifications for the script, notifications for all involved users, and those need to be spent as a whole so inputs have to be grouped. Check it out...

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/tx.dws?3057267.htm
That is the original fund for the FREEZE. Notice how there are lots of burns and those show the redeem script. Essential to communicate that and it must be done on the chain. This cannot be put on a volatile Bitmessage since it is related to financials. Chains are meant for financials.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/tx.dws?4ba8321e29a302488592ce872b28363734fffd1f59ed73c3102bff0c99ef9fe5.htm
That is the spent TX notice the last input was a different address but spent with the same keys.

So yes we are official the first client in the world that does this. The news will ignore it... haha. But we still did it!

Here is a screenshot.


i love how you came full circle David. Aaron is real conscious,smart dude and i respect that there was understanding there hats down too the both of you i will be starting my BAY Bag now
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just an update: i once started to correct a translation of the wallet. i did not found the time to finish it. sorry guys. i had to deal with other things.

That was the german translation?
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just an update: i once started to correct a translation of the wallet. i did not found the time to finish it. sorry guys. i had to deal with other things.
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low volume on trex

we need to keep the volume around 20 btc or above really.
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hi,

im trying to stake coin but how come it always "generated but not accepted" ? do i need new wallet ?  i get the 1.2 version of linux wallet from bitbay.market .

thanks

When you stake, you do so in competition with everyone else that stakes. So basically someone beat you to the finnish line.


and they beat me for the whole full week  Cry

EDIT:  atleast im not on the wrong chain or something  Smiley
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hi,

im trying to stake coin but how come it always "generated but not accepted" ? do i need new wallet ?  i get the 1.2 version of linux wallet from bitbay.market .

thanks

When you stake, you do so in competition with everyone else that stakes. So basically someone beat you to the finnish line.
legendary
Activity: 1456
Merit: 1000
hi,

im trying to stake coin but how come it always "generated but not accepted" ? do i need new wallet ?  i get the 1.2 version of linux wallet from bitbay.market .

thanks
legendary
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By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

david ...

cyrus is ONE HELLUVA admin ...

after over a year - he simply did what the other couldnt or wouldnt ... and allowed me to access my account just by unlocking it - so i could change my details via the still valid email address i had control of ... no hacks - just a simple thing ...

and he is one helluva bloke too ...

#crysx

Cyrus is the hero in this story. He is what Theymos should have been. He responded the same day, added me on Skype we went over everything and he had me sign from an old key. It's the first time in a long time I've been impressed with something on Bitcointalk.
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By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?


I'm just happy they gave his account back to him.
I got locked out of my old account from logging into it from another computer. Didn't have a bitcoin address in my profile setting to be able to request an unlock

Is there any rational reason why BCT does it this way? Or didn't they know what they where doing in the beginning and then never bothered to improve things?


Good question. I guess it worked perfectly back in the day with people actually ran their own bitcoin wallet, but now it's just too big for the common person to want to run a personal wallet.
Good point. I'd have to go back and research if the same protocol is in place


So you can set a btc address in your profile? I never noticed that. That's a good idea actually, but they should make sure to announce that better.


Yeah there is some sort of sign/verify procedure you use - I don't know how many 3rd party centralized bitcoin wallets allow that feature and could be used for ones account recovery.
But what happens if the hacker changes the bitcoin address? I don't know. Probably just best for them to upgrade their recovery system.
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 504
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?


I'm just happy they gave his account back to him.
I got locked out of my old account from logging into it from another computer. Didn't have a bitcoin address in my profile setting to be able to request an unlock

Is there any rational reason why BCT does it this way? Or didn't they know what they where doing in the beginning and then never bothered to improve things?


Good question. I guess it worked perfectly back in the day with people actually ran their own bitcoin wallet, but now it's just too big for the common person to want to run a personal wallet.
Good point. I'd have to go back and research if the same protocol is in place


So you can set a btc address in your profile? I never noticed that. That's a good idea actually, but they should make sure to announce that better.
full member
Activity: 307
Merit: 109
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?


I'm just happy they gave his account back to him.
I got locked out of my old account from logging into it from another computer. Didn't have a bitcoin address in my profile setting to be able to request an unlock

Is there any rational reason why BCT does it this way? Or didn't they know what they where doing in the beginning and then never bothered to improve things?


Good question. I guess it worked perfectly back in the day with people actually ran their own bitcoin wallet, but now it's just too big for the common person to want to run a personal wallet.
Good point. I'd have to go back and research if the same protocol is in place
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 504
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?


I'm just happy they gave his account back to him.
I got locked out of my old account from logging into it from another computer. Didn't have a bitcoin address in my profile setting to be able to request an unlock

Is there any rational reason why BCT does it this way? Or didn't they know what they where doing in the beginning and then never bothered to improve things?
full member
Activity: 307
Merit: 109
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?


I'm just happy they gave his account back to him.
I got locked out of my old account from logging into it from another computer. Didn't have a bitcoin address in my profile setting to be able to request an unlock
hero member
Activity: 661
Merit: 504
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?

I'd like to know that too. Does anyone know the answer?
legendary
Activity: 2100
Merit: 1167
MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

What i dont get is why this is not like other forums where you need to crack the email linked to the the forum account to hack it?
legendary
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Merit: 1091
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By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.

david ...

cyrus is ONE HELLUVA admin ...

after over a year - he simply did what the other couldnt or wouldnt ... and allowed me to access my account just by unlocking it - so i could change my details via the still valid email address i had control of ... no hacks - just a simple thing ...

and he is one helluva bloke too ...

#crysx
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
By the way I recovered my account. So thanks to Cyrus the mod on bitcointalk. Most likely it was taken over momentarily due to those old hacks of bitcointalk database. Way back when.
legendary
Activity: 2412
Merit: 1044
Hi Aaron.

I read through your posts and 100% see your point here. I mean who wants to sell gems for free right now. Bay for this transaction did NOT work out.
Bay right now is not useful to sell on in a bear market. That is why the pegging is coming. Using bitbay market place right now is more for testing or fun to me. I mean selling on bay in a bull market now that's going to beneficial for the seller not so much the buyer. I don't think the bay market place will take off unti the pegging is set in. Also there are probably some other work arounds that can be done for this issue.

This point is clear. However do not sell your bay. I am certain you will be selling now at its lowest or near lowest point.

Also I am thankful for your efforts and interest in bitbay. You sound like a useful person to this community. So even if you don't wish to invest further yet then please stick around and give your input and ideas. The community needs more people with energy and ideas and experience in this field.

I think if you took away the market place and the peg bitbay still has many features more than most alt coins and David is capable of coding pretty much anything. So just having a dev like that and the features  bay has is worth a great deal more than most alts from this era.

I do think the market place and pegging (a form of pegging) will be huge once it is perfected and ready. This time is frustrating because only david is coding but he is doing his best and i see other projects promising what david has already nearly delivered

The UI and ease of use does need a lot of work for mainstream. I think once the web and mobile market place is here adoption will become more of a reality with the pegging.

I think there could be other options other as well as  the pegging to make the market place stable anyway

Altogether bitbay still has a way to go but I still feel it has already more to offer and already functioning than most alts and the full potential is not even near realised.

My advice whether you care to take it or not is do not cash out bay yet. No way this should be down at 400 sats.

I do hope David can get the new release out soon with at least the correct pos % though so investors have a little incentive not to churn.
Also would be great if there was a bay bank offering bonds as I suggested a few developers have PM and told me (they have been reading bays thread) that they think it is a great idea and a working towards something very similar.

Anyway was good to see some effort put into bay and someone taking time to comment on the software and their experience.
If you do leave now then perhaps check back later see what you think in a few months. I feel lose ends are about to get tied up.




Actually I think it did work out, he only needs to wait a month and it should shoot right back up. But yes, for all intents and purposes a volatile coin cannot be used as payment for items on a market for people who do not want to invest or take risks. AKA the peg.

But also like I pointed out, he can accept anything in exchange for his gems on our markets. The BitBay currency is only meant to protect the deal.

The new release by the way is almost done. In fact just today I did the freeze from start to finish in the UI. Here is a screenshot of it and the transaction that spent it. It is a lot of work because it had to have notifications for the script, notifications for all involved users, and those need to be spent as a whole so inputs have to be grouped. Check it out...

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/tx.dws?3057267.htm
That is the original fund for the FREEZE. Notice how there are lots of burns and those show the redeem script. Essential to communicate that and it must be done on the chain. This cannot be put on a volatile Bitmessage since it is related to financials. Chains are meant for financials.

https://chainz.cryptoid.info/bay/tx.dws?4ba8321e29a302488592ce872b28363734fffd1f59ed73c3102bff0c99ef9fe5.htm
That is the spent TX notice the last input was a different address but spent with the same keys.

So yes we are official the first client in the world that does this. The news will ignore it... haha. But we still did it!

Here is a screenshot.

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Aaron, well let me first say you are extremely expressive. You have given a cogent, logical, reasonable, respectful answer. And I totally thank you for it.

Let me cut to the bottom line as I do get super busy and I did read everything. First off, I am 100% absolutely NOT in it for the fame. In fact the fame bothers me as I just had my account hacked yesterday and had my reputation propagandized. It was a good opportunity there to divorce myself from my ego by the way. I'm doing this to make the world a better place. You might totally think that is cliche and not true but it is. That is why I got interested in making unbreakable contracts and it's why I worked so hard to teach myself Python. There is like almost no guarantee my plan will favor the honest people, but that is my plan. To make a system that favors us by making "unbreakable" contracts. If my software inspires someone else to copy it and it becomes used everywhere I've succeed and could care less if the world thinks I'm the lowest of subhuman scum or they call me Hitler, whatever. Doesn't matter. It would be nice to live a happy life and accepted but that isn't material to why I did this.

Your suggestion to have orders list without putting up a deposit might work lets say if the seller essentially received only counter-offers.

Your response was so excellent that I clearly understand you, your motives and what you were trying to say and how you wanted to use the software. Yes it's okay to open the escrow window, the software is just telling you that your completion request was final and it considers the deal done but that doesn't mean you can't open the panel and send more requests or chats. And yes, I did appreciate your suggestion. Like I said maybe if they all came in as counter-offers in your case a seller would want to list multiple jewels and yet his volume shouldn't exceed what he holds in his account because his wide variety of selection. I can now see why you perceive that as a flaw. And perhaps at some point way in the future when I have free time, I can revisit that suggestion.

Lastly you said you were interested in only using BitBay. Then really you are the kind of sellers and users we are looking for. That is even better. We already have lots of investors, we could use some real power sellers.

You mentioned that the volatility effects you as a seller on BitBay. However did you know you can simply have BitBay as the DEPOSIT ONLY and then accept Bitcoin, Cash, Tether, or really anything you wish as a payment method? Basically what you are looking for is the use of my barter template.

The way to make a basic barter is to set the buyers deposit to twice the item value and you set 1x. Then when you ship, he pays in X (Bitcoin, Cash, whatever) and then you may either cancel or confirm the contract (since the net effect is the same)

Please let me know what you think of that.

And sorry also if I missed something or if I seemed defensive or anything like that. You are right, it's good advice. You are just "John Q Public" because me as a dev I'm supposed to consider all users in this way. It's not easy to be politically correct all the time either. I'm not particularly well known for having a filter haha.

I get a lot of feedback so it does get really tiring when I finish one thing and two more tasks pop up. So only for that reason do I say it's hard work and hope as a coder you can see that. Which clearly you do. In any case you can list and accept anything you want for your gems and are not required to take BitBay as payment only the insurance deposit. Also had BitBay gone up 30% in value would you have reacted the same way?

Anyways let me know what you think.  Grin
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