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Topic: BitBay OFFICIAL BITBAY Thread Smart Contracts Decentralized Markets Rolling Peg - page 242. (Read 542115 times)

legendary
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David's Back!!!! This is great news

Sounds like he never left, just took a few days off. Well deserved I should think.


I was moving, had to fly to Mexico City for a week to take care of some personal stuff, had to organize the new house and have been selling my trailer and stuff. There was a bunch of other things too. In order to keep my freedom and avoid 9-5 had to come up with a strategy to lower my expenses so I lost a month or so. I did some coding but it wasn't enough. I did code a really cool anti-keylogger password thing. It's badass. Say bye bye to screen recorder and loggers. Plus I fixed allof the bugs and sync problems so the software is really robust. I started hosting the nodes myself since I noticed the old ones were down.

Anyways I'm on the contract now lol my friend is managing me. I'm also doing one for him we have a list of habits to break... no eating out, hitting the gym daily etc. Stuff we are forced to do or lose our deposits. Most importantly many hours of coding daily.

I have to sign off on it daily applying for daily time extensions and report back how many lines of code I contributed and what the code was.

He's working on a different project related to construction. It's a spreadsheet with a cost breakdown of all the alternative building heating cooling methods for low cost decentralized housing. Such as 3d printed housing, Aircrete(Google it, it's amazing), Silo Homes, Earthbags and about 20 other awesome types of construction. Actually anyone who is interested in that can PM me especially if you have feedback on new techniques or want to see the sheet.

Anyways so I might force myself to report here every few days but for now I'm keeping the requirements realistic.
sr. member
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AKA RJF - Since '14 - On line since '84
David's Back!!!! This is great news

Sounds like he never left, just took a few days off. Well deserved I should think.
sr. member
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AKA RJF - Since '14 - On line since '84
By the way crazy news that is of direct interest to investors. I've been busy with life past few weeks so to force me to more productive, I've put myself on double deposit contract with a friend. If I fail to code daily I will lose my deposit a few hundred dollars. Another use case for Halo... ideas in action. So I'm now forced to meet productivity deadlines. If I start to fall behind I will enter in to a few more of these so there are extra peers to confirm I'm working (most likely with someone I trust to manage me). It's a good way to crush procrastination I recommend it to any of you if you guys have unmet new years resolutions lol.

Reminds me of the old phrase "Physician heal thyself" Now thats putting your money where your mouth is!  Grin
newbie
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David's Back!!!! This is great news
legendary
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By the way crazy news that is of direct interest to investors. I've been busy with life past few weeks so to force me to more productive, I've put myself on double deposit contract with a friend. If I fail to code daily I will lose my deposit a few hundred dollars. Another use case for Halo... ideas in action. So I'm now forced to meet productivity deadlines. If I start to fall behind I will enter in to a few more of these so there are extra peers to confirm I'm working (most likely with someone I trust to manage me). It's a good way to crush procrastination I recommend it to any of you if you guys have unmet new years resolutions lol.
hero member
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I've never seen so much Bay being offered. I've read this thread and people complained about bag holders and not enough coins being offered to newcomers. Here is the chance we been all waiting for!!

Good point. Can't tell if it's for real or fake so someone can accumulate more.
newbie
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I've never seen so much Bay being offered. I've read this thread and people complained about bag holders and not enough coins being offered to newcomers. Here is the chance we been all waiting for!!
hero member
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is an insider selling? 6 million bay at 150 sats...david u sellin?


People forget Bitbay was worth a lot less than its worth now. Profiteers bought at much lower prices and maybe want to sell now they have seen a 200% return!?

PS- it's not me! I'm here to stay. I know a good thing when I see it

Also before pumps whales put up walls whist they buy then remove it once they are ready for the show! This could also be a reason?
hero member
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Hello! How does the pegging system work. Will it allow for liquidity? I am intrigued by the potential $1 per coin, but just concerned if there is volume to sustain it. Seems like it's a great time to buy Bay now....someone is dumping their share! I said I would buy at 200 sat, but this is even better.

The pegging has been discussed a little on the last few pages. I suggest you read up, and then I'll be happy to answer any questions.
newbie
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Hello! How does the pegging system work. Will it allow for liquidity? I am intrigued by the potential $1 per coin, but just concerned if there is volume to sustain it. Seems like it's a great time to buy Bay now....someone is dumping their share! I said I would buy at 200 sat, but this is even better.

How much bay is everyone holding?
newbie
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Hello! How does the pegging system work. Will it allow for liquidity? I am intrigued by the potential $1 per coin, but just concerned if there is volume to sustain it. Seems like it's a great time to buy Bay now....someone is dumping their share! I said I would buy at 200 sat, but this is even better.
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG
is an insider selling? 6 million bay at 150 sats...david u sellin?



Why do people not post under their main accounts?
sr. member
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is an insider selling? 6 million bay at 150 sats...david u sellin?


Give it rest would you? David isn't selling...
newbie
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is an insider selling? 6 million bay at 150 sats...david u sellin?
legendary
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MY RED TRUST LEFT BY SCUMBAGS - READ MY SIG

you can guarantee price of a coin through deflation/inflation? rather big assumption wouldn't you say?

Nothing big about that assumption. It's done everyday in fiat, and it works. David said currencies don't deflate, and that's mostly correct in the long term for several reasons -one of them being inflation target above zero. But they do deflate short term all the time.


seems to me like a secondary market will be created one which is related to demand or volume

A secondary market will also be part of this.


You cannot guarantee that volume will rise thus it really is just circling back to the same issue...its a cool solution to a general problem but not sure if it will do what you intend but hey lets see it go should be interesting.

We are in the infancy of crypto, so no one can guarantee anything for any coin. BitBay and syscoin can both be dead two years from now for reasons none of use are able to foresee. Or one or both of them can become biger than bitcoin. There is no telling.


I can imagine it will deflate pretty quickly as people want higher prices and then wait for new money to come in to take volume higher so old money can get out of their stuck coins.

I def see why you envision a scenario like that. But the whole point of the peg is to provide stability, so there are limits to how fast it will be allowed to move.
I don't think monetary policy in central banks is for price discovery of their currency, it is to stimulate economic growth or velocity (volume) of that currency or try to curb growth or slow down velocity, which has an affect of setting the market rate of the instrument, along with other affects. It's not the only factor which sets price thus you cannot guarantee a certain price. This is why I was saying the market will deflect into a volume based market where trading will happen based on projections of volume peaks instead of price... it will be interesting to see if volatility can be avoided this way since there is always a herd affect near peaks and troughs which bring in volatility... so instead of price crashing you might see volume crashing instead and then the question is what would bring about new volume again. Who knows what the actual price will be when these peaks are found. A whitepaper will go along way in describing the phenomenon when expected peaks and troughs are reached and how stability is actually achieved through some mathematical models.

Yeah that's partly true. It depends on how miners vote. However my assumption is, miners will vote for whatever makes them more money. So if they see low volume and very low price they will deflate. If they see high volume they inflate.

But remember, investors can also watch those global deflation rates correct? So miners aren't doing anything that won't be seen coming a mile away.

Also perhaps if the software itself cast votes automatically by an algorithm then chances are miners will not be able to go against the algorithm just like it's hard to swim against a tide.

Finally, you can guarantee an exact dollar price if you deflate a lot. I'm not recommending it, but in theory that means a group of miners can do it like Tether but self backed and if one backer disappears then someone else can freeze gradually to their comfort level and take their place.

Extreme example: Deflate from 1 billion to 1000 coins, back with 1000 dollars and now it's exactly a dollar a coin. If that backer leaves anyone can take his place.

Also secondary markets for frozen coins is not a design flaw, it's one of the best features. Since frozen coins can be moved with a 3 month time lock, they serve as credit swaps, bonds, and even trustless loans. So we hope to see that happen

As to not having a whitepaper the community specifically asked me not to do this since it would give way too technical of a breakdown of how it's coded. And we want to be the first to release it. It certainly will be open source.

Yikes ...not open source until a few months/years have passed i hope. You know these other coders will be years hacking away trying to replicate it but if open source will be ready with their copy and paste buttons in a few days.
Why does everyone think that its a bad thing to copy? It only serves to validate the main chain!! Why do you think i never privatized syscoin? The core should be open and noone copied cause they know they wilk have a tough time keeping up


You can copy a Rembrandt or Picasso but, that doesn't mean the copy IS a Rembrandt or Picasso. The original still holds it's value by virtue of being the real, original thing. Great discussion gentlemen, certainly enlightened me on the subject, thanks...
 

I like that Picasso example, there are some Bitcoin like tokens with almost the same code but people will always see them has inferior to Bitcoin like wise any project. Open source is good to validate the claim of the developers

The example of a Picasso forgery is not a good one.

1. the copy will never be an EXACT copy.
2. the copyist has to employ and huge amount of effort into making a replica and although does not need the conceptual ability does need a similar technical skill with brush and canvas.

this example is not anything like some half assed dev who would NEVER be able to design and code out something like bit bay hitting copy and paste and making a full copy of years of hard work well above his ability with virtually no effort on his part.


Drawing any parallels with bitcoin is obviously not wise in crypt at this stage. Bitcoin was the first and had a huge head start. Do you really believe if bitcoin was released a day or two before 1000 clones it would be where it is now??

If the code can be validated without being open sourced completely then that is the way to go.


hero member
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you can guarantee price of a coin through deflation/inflation? rather big assumption wouldn't you say?

Nothing big about that assumption. It's done everyday in fiat, and it works. David said currencies don't deflate, and that's mostly correct in the long term for several reasons -one of them being inflation target above zero. But they do deflate short term all the time.


seems to me like a secondary market will be created one which is related to demand or volume

A secondary market will also be part of this.


You cannot guarantee that volume will rise thus it really is just circling back to the same issue...its a cool solution to a general problem but not sure if it will do what you intend but hey lets see it go should be interesting.

We are in the infancy of crypto, so no one can guarantee anything for any coin. BitBay and syscoin can both be dead two years from now for reasons none of use are able to foresee. Or one or both of them can become biger than bitcoin. There is no telling.


I can imagine it will deflate pretty quickly as people want higher prices and then wait for new money to come in to take volume higher so old money can get out of their stuck coins.

I def see why you envision a scenario like that. But the whole point of the peg is to provide stability, so there are limits to how fast it will be allowed to move.
I don't think monetary policy in central banks is for price discovery of their currency, it is to stimulate economic growth or velocity (volume) of that currency or try to curb growth or slow down velocity, which has an affect of setting the market rate of the instrument, along with other affects. It's not the only factor which sets price thus you cannot guarantee a certain price. This is why I was saying the market will deflect into a volume based market where trading will happen based on projections of volume peaks instead of price... it will be interesting to see if volatility can be avoided this way since there is always a herd affect near peaks and troughs which bring in volatility... so instead of price crashing you might see volume crashing instead and then the question is what would bring about new volume again. Who knows what the actual price will be when these peaks are found. A whitepaper will go along way in describing the phenomenon when expected peaks and troughs are reached and how stability is actually achieved through some mathematical models.

Yeah that's partly true. It depends on how miners vote. However my assumption is, miners will vote for whatever makes them more money. So if they see low volume and very low price they will deflate. If they see high volume they inflate.

But remember, investors can also watch those global deflation rates correct? So miners aren't doing anything that won't be seen coming a mile away.

Also perhaps if the software itself cast votes automatically by an algorithm then chances are miners will not be able to go against the algorithm just like it's hard to swim against a tide.

Finally, you can guarantee an exact dollar price if you deflate a lot. I'm not recommending it, but in theory that means a group of miners can do it like Tether but self backed and if one backer disappears then someone else can freeze gradually to their comfort level and take their place.

Extreme example: Deflate from 1 billion to 1000 coins, back with 1000 dollars and now it's exactly a dollar a coin. If that backer leaves anyone can take his place.

Also secondary markets for frozen coins is not a design flaw, it's one of the best features. Since frozen coins can be moved with a 3 month time lock, they serve as credit swaps, bonds, and even trustless loans. So we hope to see that happen

As to not having a whitepaper the community specifically asked me not to do this since it would give way too technical of a breakdown of how it's coded. And we want to be the first to release it. It certainly will be open source.

Yikes ...not open source until a few months/years have passed i hope. You know these other coders will be years hacking away trying to replicate it but if open source will be ready with their copy and paste buttons in a few days.
Why does everyone think that its a bad thing to copy? It only serves to validate the main chain!! Why do you think i never privatized syscoin? The core should be open and noone copied cause they know they wilk have a tough time keeping up


You can copy a Rembrandt or Picasso but, that doesn't mean the copy IS a Rembrandt or Picasso. The original still holds it's value by virtue of being the real, original thing. Great discussion gentlemen, certainly enlightened me on the subject, thanks...
 

I like that Picasso example, there are some Bitcoin like tokens with almost the same code but people will always see them has inferior to Bitcoin like wise any project. Open source is good to validate the claim of the developers
legendary
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How come there is no volume? No one is selling? I am willing to pay 200 sat for one!!!

Go and buy on Bittrex then, you can easily buy 10 btc worth if you are willing to pay 200 sats
legendary
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buy now or regret later :-))

When people become aware of bitbay it will be a rocket! David we thank you

Honestly thank you for the support. It would have been hard to code without it. This is a great community. United by a lot of strong ideologies. Thanks to crypto, I've made some great friendships. It's not just crypto that is the common link, it's a lot of the progressive ideas that are similar to it.

Anyways with a little bit more patience, the next update will have the exotic spending features followed with another template. And we will be primed to finish the rest.
legendary
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dogs are cute.
buy now or regret later :-))

When people become aware of bitbay it will be a rocket! David we thank you
hero member
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you can guarantee price of a coin through deflation/inflation? rather big assumption wouldn't you say?

Nothing big about that assumption. It's done everyday in fiat, and it works. David said currencies don't deflate, and that's mostly correct in the long term for several reasons -one of them being inflation target above zero. But they do deflate short term all the time.


seems to me like a secondary market will be created one which is related to demand or volume

A secondary market will also be part of this.


You cannot guarantee that volume will rise thus it really is just circling back to the same issue...its a cool solution to a general problem but not sure if it will do what you intend but hey lets see it go should be interesting.

We are in the infancy of crypto, so no one can guarantee anything for any coin. BitBay and syscoin can both be dead two years from now for reasons none of use are able to foresee. Or one or both of them can become biger than bitcoin. There is no telling.


I can imagine it will deflate pretty quickly as people want higher prices and then wait for new money to come in to take volume higher so old money can get out of their stuck coins.

I def see why you envision a scenario like that. But the whole point of the peg is to provide stability, so there are limits to how fast it will be allowed to move.
I don't think monetary policy in central banks is for price discovery of their currency, it is to stimulate economic growth or velocity (volume) of that currency or try to curb growth or slow down velocity, which has an affect of setting the market rate of the instrument, along with other affects. It's not the only factor which sets price thus you cannot guarantee a certain price. This is why I was saying the market will deflect into a volume based market where trading will happen based on projections of volume peaks instead of price... it will be interesting to see if volatility can be avoided this way since there is always a herd affect near peaks and troughs which bring in volatility... so instead of price crashing you might see volume crashing instead and then the question is what would bring about new volume again. Who knows what the actual price will be when these peaks are found. A whitepaper will go along way in describing the phenomenon when expected peaks and troughs are reached and how stability is actually achieved through some mathematical models.

You totally underestimate the importance of price discovery in a currency. It's not just about stability or competition with other countries. It's also about "importing" inflation or deflation through trade, and thus strongly influence the very parameters you want to control like growth, unemployment etc. The effect of importet inflation/deflation mostly increases with decreasing size of country/economy. The effect is also bigger in relative open economies than in relative closed ones.
As to the rest, David and 3r197 already addressed that. I'd just like to add that no coin can survive in the long run if it doesn't get real users. I believe BitBay is in a position to get real users, and as they increase in numbers, traders actions will have less impact.

No I didn't underestimate what it means for a currency to be valued competitively depending on its place in the global trade marketplace... why do you think there's been battle to the bottom after plaza accord was signed? US is in the unique position of a global currency aswell serving import driven economies where it pays to be cheap.. Carry traders and large specs that look at economic numbers then place values based on fundamentals.. ofcourse if it doesn't go the way they want (JPY,CHF) then they intervene. In context of my original post you cannot just generate growth... you can set a price but something else will be negatively affected... you have to survive growth luls by innovation and creating incentive for velocity of money to rise... what you are postulating with the proposed system is that the incentive for M1 to increase or decrease which in turn affects liquidity/demand and ultimately price. I'm not convinced without reading some models on paper that such a system would do what its designed to do but hey stranger things have happened in crypto! Anyways it's worth a try especially if an exchange like Polo agrees to supporting the custom code needing to run it on their servers.

You missed the point. It's not just about stability or competition with other countries. It's also about "importing" inflation or deflation through trade Participating in a race to the bottom is not the best solution for every country in every situation. Sometimes the opposite is a better solution. It all depends on who you are mainly trading with, your trade surplus or deficit, the default currency for the goods you trade etc.
Controlling M1 or rather M3 is exactly what is working for countries. Bay is less complicated than countries, so we are controlling M0. And we don't generate growth in the macro economic meaning of the term. We just provide a safe and relatively stable currency that has some unique features that can solve problems that haven't been solved yet. The ability to create velocity of money is not defined by how we do our peg. If the peg works it will contribute to create velocity of money. Or are you talking about transactions velocity of money?
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