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Topic: Bitcoin FBI Report April 2012 - page 5. (Read 14393 times)

legendary
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May 08, 2012, 11:15:20 AM
#54
http://www.scribd.com/doc/92797476/FBI-Bitcoin-Report-April-2012

Holy smokes!  Very interesting, what do you guys think?

rofl. It's on the internet so it must be true.

This is one of the ugliest/laziest trolls I've seen in a long time.

Really? a well written 20 page document is the laziest troll?
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 08, 2012, 11:04:45 AM
#53
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum.  

That begs to ask the question-- why would one dissect it if it's not legitimate?

Honestly Matt, have you really read through it?

The report does not introduce any new laws, just clarifies old ones in more detail.

In fact, it is 100% on par with the clarifications I spent thousands of dollars on from lawyers.

Wether or not its legit or not, the material is accurate.


The material also matches my own legal research in large part.



+ 1
legendary
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May 08, 2012, 10:55:48 AM
#52
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum.  

That begs to ask the question-- why would one dissect it if it's not legitimate?

Honestly Matt, have you really read through it?

The report does not introduce any new laws, just clarifies old ones in more detail.

In fact, it is 100% on par with the clarifications I spent thousands of dollars on from lawyers.

Wether or not its legit or not, the material is accurate.


The material also matches my own legal research in large part.

hero member
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May 08, 2012, 10:48:11 AM
#51
Not very exciting, nothing new.
legendary
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Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 08, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
#50
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum.  

That begs to ask the question-- why would one dissect it if it's not legitimate?

Honestly Matt, have you really read through it?

The report does not introduce any new laws, just clarifies old ones in more detail.

In fact, it is 100% on par with the clarifications I spent thousands of dollars on from lawyers.

Wether or not its legit or not, the material is accurate.
rjk
sr. member
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1ngldh
May 08, 2012, 10:40:56 AM
#49
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum.  

That begs to ask the question-- why would one dissect it if it's not legitimate?
Because it is? Tongue

Or are you about to admit that you created it, in a spergy fit of madness due to the full moon?
hero member
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
May 08, 2012, 10:35:55 AM
#48
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum.  

That begs to ask the question-- why would one dissect it if it's not legitimate?
legendary
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Merit: 1000
Charlie 'Van Bitcoin' Shrem
May 08, 2012, 10:35:00 AM
#47
What a waste of 3 pages of forum threads.

We should be dissecting this report and going over it, not debating its legitimacy.

In fact, its extreme accuracy speaks for itself, I think its real.

I'll do that in the Legal subforum. 
hero member
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Hero VIP ultra official trusted super staff puppet
May 08, 2012, 10:33:30 AM
#46
Hey Matthew, maybe you should learn with Matonis ^^ how the real press works...

I'll help him a bit and start with:
1st lesson: Don't just talk out of your ass, investigate.

Firstly, that's not my role at the magazine. That'd be like telling you to make the beds where you work.

Secondly, Matonis is the bomb. If he wants to investigate into the true source of this PDF file, I encourage him to.

Thirdly, has anyone caught that full moon? It's been full and huge for over 3 days now.
hero member
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May 08, 2012, 10:28:48 AM
#45
FYI, here's an actual FBI leaked document on 'Legal Aspects of Online Gaming Financial Transactions' (20 June 2011) that also cites the 'Cyber Criminals Exploitation of Real-Money Trading' (8 June 2011) mentioned in page 3 of OP's Scribd document.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/10/10400_FBI%20Cleveland%20.pdf
What, if anything, does this say about the legitimacy of this Bitcoin document?  It's hard to imagine someone would go to such great effort to produce a fake that doesn't even have anything terribly controversial in it.  We certainly know the government agencies are well aware of Bitcoin and it's hard for me to imagine the FBI hasn't produced reports such as this.
legendary
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May 08, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
#44
Hey Matthew, maybe you should learn with Matonis ^^ how the real press works...

I'll help him a bit and start with:
1st lesson: Don't just talk out of your ass, investigate.
sr. member
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Merit: 251
May 08, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
#43
Although, I think this comment has lots of merit too:

Maybe it was an act of civil disobediance by a FBI analyst who also sees the value in Bitcoin?  Also don't count out a counter-insurgency type move.  The leak could be intentional by the FBI.  A way to point out to potential investors and businesses that Bitcoin is on the FBI radar to keep it marginalized.

They know that we know that they know that we know....


Yes.........but do they know what they don't know?

FYI, here's an actual FBI leaked document on 'Legal Aspects of Online Gaming Financial Transactions' (20 June 2011) that also cites the 'Cyber Criminals Exploitation of Real-Money Trading' (8 June 2011) mentioned in page 3 of OP's Scribd document.
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/attach/10/10400_FBI%20Cleveland%20.pdf
legendary
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Core Armory Developer
May 08, 2012, 10:05:13 AM
#42
One thing that sucks is that it is an image scrape.   Anyone really good with OCR?  I would be willing to put some coins towards a bounty to convert the doc into machine readable format (txt or otherwise).    It would be a tricky conversion (the low res blurred image doesn't help) so it may not be possible but maybe we got some OCR wizards.

I was already working on this when I saw you post this, because I started to try to read it and my eyeballs started bleeding.

Unfortunately, I think any OCR program is going to struggle hard with this blurry low-res text.  Here's the best my meager offering could come up with.  Is this any better?   Roll Eyes  Here's a sample of the first page:

You might try doing a round or two of deblurring/deconvolution on the image, first.  Richardson-Lucy is a great algorithm if you can give a reasonable estimate of the blur function (which may not be too bad just assuming very simple blurring).  Do 2-4 passes of Richardson-Lucy, it might sharpen it just the right amount.  (I speak as if you would be manually processing the image with custom algorithms... I'm sure photoshop/gimp has some canned algorithms for this).

Well, there's also "sharpening", but I've never been very impressed with the sharpening algorithms out there...
hero member
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May 08, 2012, 09:30:18 AM
#41
Quote from: julz link=topic=80114.msg888025#msg888025
Your skepticism is a little too strident however.


+1 He sounds very afraid, I wonder why?

Because he wanted a signed affidavit from the leaker to make himself feel important because he would protect him under the freedom of the press laws for unpublished magazines on the UK... Roll Eyes

Or he's just mad because being a magazine(?) editor he should be the one to score the scoops, yet he has none to show on his magazine(?) even after 5 months of publishing delay

Breaking news! Guy on forum claims unmarked PDF comes from FBI with no proof whatsoever!

I'll leave that kind of garbage to the tabloids.
legendary
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May 08, 2012, 09:21:16 AM
#40
Why do you guys care so much?

Dunno if it's real or not, but I'd assume it is, since a troll would be wasting his time producing a paper of medium quality that doesn't really make any statement. Apart from the obvious, anyway.

Basing forecasts on the 2011 price fluctuations alone suggests economic cluelessness. But one way or the other, this text thingy makes no difference. Government is gonna govern its own paperwork as always, lots of blabla will be had, bad events will be given fancy names with an evil ring to them, business as usual. If there weren't a multi-page-thread on the topic, I'd not feel any urge to comment.

If they'd go rampage and attack us screaming "OMG THOUSANDS OF ANARCHIST MONEY LAUNDERING CYBERCRIMINALS," admittedly there'd be reason to think of something. Not the case though.
sr. member
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May 08, 2012, 09:05:06 AM
#39
Yeah that is what I figured.  It is going to take a lot of work to get it into a usable format. 

Yup, when the scan is that bad, usually the fastest/easiest thing to do is get someone in a low-wage country to just re-type it for you.  It's like trying to OCR 20 pages of CAPTCHAs.
donator
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Gerald Davis
May 08, 2012, 08:59:23 AM
#38
Yeah that is what I figured.  It is going to take a lot of work to get it into a usable format. 
sr. member
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May 08, 2012, 08:55:02 AM
#37
One thing that sucks is that it is an image scrape.   Anyone really good with OCR?  I would be willing to put some coins towards a bounty to convert the doc into machine readable format (txt or otherwise).    It would be a tricky conversion (the low res blurred image doesn't help) so it may not be possible but maybe we got some OCR wizards.

I was already working on this when I saw you post this, because I started to try to read it and my eyeballs started bleeding.

Unfortunately, I think any OCR program is going to struggle hard with this blurry low-res text.  Here's the best my meager offering could come up with.  Is this any better?   Roll Eyes  Here's a sample of the first page:

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anony1nity. Bitooin offers rnany of the sarne challenges associated with other \'irtual currencies,
such as Wehr\•loney, and adds unique complexit ies for investigators because of iL� decemrali7..ed
nature.
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facesdifficuhies detectingsuspicious activily, identifying users, and obtaining transaction
recon:ls-proble.n.� that m.ight attract •n.alicious actors to Bitooi n. Bi1coin m.ight also log ically
attractrnoney launderers and other criminals who avoid traditional financial systems b y using the
Internet to conduct global 1nonetary transfers.
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medium confidence that law enforce1nem can identify, or di.􀂎cover more information about
1n.alicious actors i f the actors conven their bilcoins into a fiat currency. Third-p.any bi1coin
services 1nay require customers to subm.it valid identification or bank infonn.ation to co.nplete
transactions. Furlhennore, any third-p.any service that qualifies as a mbney transm.iuer 1n.ust
register a� a mbney services busine.u with the Financial C1i1tleS Enforoe1nem Netwo•·k {FinCEf\1')
and i•nple�tll!'nt an anti-nlOney laundering program.
donator
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Gerald Davis
May 08, 2012, 08:40:03 AM
#36
It's too boring to be a troll...

This (or the boring-est troll in the history of the intertubes)
I like the survey at the end. It seems to be scraped from a webpage accessible by run-of-the-mill LEO.

That troll pwned you with the fake survey at the end.  The extra hour that took was SOOOO worth it. 
rjk
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1ngldh
May 08, 2012, 08:38:08 AM
#35
It's too boring to be a troll...

This (or the boring-est troll in the history of the intertubes)
I like the survey at the end. It seems to be scraped from a webpage accessible by run-of-the-mill LEO.
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