Topic: Bitcoin Foundation - page 3. (Read 17980 times)

we founded http://bitcoin-austria.at/ some weeks ago.

this is a non-profit association (a registered legal entity) that has similar goals - but focused on europe/austria.

if there was some sort of umbrella organisation a cooperation would be a possiblity.

I don't see the link between your questions. How bitcoin funds can be blocked by blocking/dissolving/outlawing a bitcoin-related foundation?

Why a foundation? Why risk getting your funds blocked like Wikileaks? Solution is here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/there-is-a-way-we-can-trade-bitcoin-without-getting-shut-down-constantly-read-49854

Smooth and simple and cannot be taken down that easily if at all.

I think the Problem is: Right now Bitcoin is mainly this Forum, plus a few scattered irc channels.
I don't think the Forum will generate enough interest by the public to keep the bitcoin economy growing.

If something is done about that good, if not I too will one day abandon Bitcoin.

I've been actively promoting this for many months on this forum. I'm glad that core developers are finally beginning to see the reasoning behind.

Evoorhees and theymos managed to say what I wanted to say in a better way, thank you both.

Only the last item on this list seems good. Collecting (bitcoin!) donations to fund infrastructure is a good idea. The other two items don't please me. There should be no "official face" for bitcoin. If you want to create a support group like Bitcoin Consultancy for example, and make this group non-profit, that's fine. But don't call it "Official Bitcoin Foundation". People should understand that bitcoin has no "owner", no official face.

It would be particularly important that this group is not referenced by the main project's page, bitcoin.org. The same way bitcoin.org link to these forums was cut, no link from bitcoin.org to any bitcoin foundation should be made, at least not as if it was the only one. It should be made explicit that multiple foundations can/should exist.

The Idea of Bitcoin is like a bomb,
now or then, here or there, this or that
will sucess.

Centralizing is a bad idea, how to divide the power ?

theymos has some good points here.  There has been already one "attempt" at a Bitcoin Foundation and it is called the "Bitcoin Consultancy" headed by genjix.  In fact, what theymos says is completely true and genjix is, in fact, trying to create his own bitcoin library.  If there were a foundation there would have to be rules so one group does not have an advantage over the other.

I don't like that idea at all.

Right now if the development group goes crazy, the links on bitcoin.org, IRC, etc. will be changed to point to some other developers and anyone sponsoring development will stop paying. If bitcoin.org is hijacked, the development group can issue a network alert about it and someone can set up a new site. Ownership of resources is decentralized among groups that are more or less independent.

If a foundation combines ownership of any resources that are currently owned by different organizations, then the Bitcoin ecosystem will be less robust.

Tor is not the greatest example, since Tor is inherently centralized. The network can't function without authoritative directory servers, and someone controlling most authoritative directory servers can break Tor's security.

I would support:
- Strengthening organizations that already exist while keeping them independent
- Breaking large organizations into independent smaller ones and creating new ones to handle new problems. (Create an independent unofficial development organization, and let someone else create a PR organization.)
- Improving communication between the organizations

You almost certainly couldn't do this legally under a not-for-profit structure, and I don't think it's desirable anyway.  It would mean that the biggest donor/s could effectively control the foundation in the same way that shareholders in a company do.

I fully support the creation of a Bitcoin Foundation.

Bitcoin is revolutionary for many reasons. Its most interesting feature is it removes the control of money from government, and gives it to the people. If Bitcoin becomes a success, there will be a big incentive for governments to take control of it. Then it would only be as good as fiat. To that end, the Bitcoin Foundation should promote a truly diverse mining pool, and avoid direct control.

Suggestions :
-   Produce an ASIC miner so people can continue to support Bitcoin by mining cheaply at home
-   The Bitcoin Foundation Committee should accept petitions to discuss / vote on governance issues. 1 BTC one vote, like one share one vote.
-   Coordinate donations to support Bitcoin development & PR.
    o   To avoid conflict of interest, maybe only publicise suggested payment amounts & addresses for the core developers
-   Add a regular payment feature to the Bitcoin client, to support these donations/subscriptions
-   Support legal cases, produce patents & trademarks
-   Promote technological financial innovation
-   Organise a Job List so Bitcoin Foundation volunteers can help with the work
-   Collect & distribute regular trusted statistics on the Bitcoin economy, similar to government economic data releases (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.442674)

Thanks for all your hard work!

 Imho the foundation should gather all the good will people, developpers, businesses, users, associations, people helping on IRC or on stackexchange . . .
 For sure, pools, exchanges, wallet providers . . . everyone believing in bitcoin should gather and support the foundation.
 Bitcoin have powerful ennemies, lets unite and be stronger !

If a not for profit is going to pay salaries to people or even pay them as contractors, it has to exert influence over their work, otherwise it's essentially giving people gifts to use as they please and the auditors will go apeshit. 

That was my first thought.

It seems to me that in order to avoid attack or attempts at control, the rules need to explicitly enforce that the foundation has no influence over developer decisions or which developers get paid for which features etc.
There would surely need to be some transparent external voting mechanism donators use, so that the foundation is more or less just a conduit/pool for the funds.
(simply managing the operational aspects of the voting and distribution)

+1 here too
( I hope you are right ! )

To be honest, I've been wondering whether the exchanges have considered joining together to fight these legal battles.  It's not an uncommon thing to do when there's a specific legal problem in an industry and it not only reduces the costs per organisation but it also helps develop a cohesive legal strategy.  genjix has also mentioned having spent thousands on legal issues with the banks, so putting together a joint legal fighting fund might be an idea worth considering if you can all agree on which battles need to be fought first, which jurisdictions should be your first priority, and who to use as people representatives.

My vision for UBTC is a little different than the what's been discussed here so far, but there are some similarities. One of the highest priorities I have for any UBTC related venture is that it showcase the positive aspects of bitcoin, paving the way for other entrepreneurial and altruistic innovators. The planning for the upcoming March convention is going very well and I would be happy to help organize any other large scale bitcoin conferences, be they developer oriented or encompassing contributors with other talents.

Unofficial BTC is definitely aiming for profitability, however, and that alone should disqualify it from representing the Bitcoin community in any court. No, I agree that a not-for-profit foundation is the way to go and that it should focus on being the "Official" Bitcoin Legal Watchdog while leaving the rest of it to other organizations.

I have some office space in San Francisco (SOMA) that I would be willing to donate for an office / meeting place. If it grows in to something larger and is used like a co-working space for Bitcoin I could help out there as well.

We all feel the same about the decentralized benefits of Bitcoin. At the same time I've been throwing a lot of money at lawyers, I'd assume Mark is and probably a few others. The regulation around Bitcoin will have the biggest impact on the exchanges initially but everyone is concerned. There are plenty of other reasons to form this foundation as well

We would have to make very clear that this is not a decision making body for the Bitcoin community as a whole.

Jered

No it's fine. The beauty of it is that even if it calls itself 'official' it doesn't have any special standing concerning bitcoin. If it maintains good reputation it will have influence with some, if not then not.

It's not going to be anything more than people working to provide guidance, education, whatever. If it turns out that it works better to have a focal point org then it will do well.