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September 01, 2017, 03:35:40 AM
Well i can say that bitcoin is a good money because of the price increase is not stable but only good for internet transaction not for local transaction because its always need internet before you can send bitcoin to the receiver.. its just like a gold or sliver but the demand is really fast and the movement of the price is really increasing fast unlike gold even its in demand the price is not really increasing fast..
Bitcoin is a good thing online that you can use to buy soemthing and pay for less fee for paying transactions. i don't think that bitcoin is not a good money but there are many people are getting benefits in bitcoin..
In most of the people bitcoin is a good form of money because it somehow represent the future of currency or the future money. So the best thing to do is to trust bitcoin because there is much more room for bitcoin development and growth.
Saying this that Bitcoin is not a good money will something unjust. The way Bitcoin has changed the life of so many of its investors, and the way number of investors investing is increasing with each passing day, we can hardly blame Bitcoin not to be a good money.
legendary
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August 31, 2017, 11:06:53 AM
Bitcoin is good money that changes the lives of many people for the better and I do not understand why many people say bitcoin is bad. Of course someone can use it for bad purposes, but it can be done with any other currency.
Precisely, The bitcoin is a very good way of investment just like other currency and the bitcoin is also a way of making money to other people that is broke and can do freelance job. Many people now have skills but cannot use it but here in the forum you can earn bitcoin by doing a certain task and as you can see the salary for every job is very high so I highly suggest bitcoin is a very good way for making money.
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August 31, 2017, 10:40:49 AM
How that bitcoin is not a money, it may not be a physical one but it can be convert into a real cash/money whatever country you belong. This shows that bitcoin has a store of value, you better think of that mate.
sr. member
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August 31, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
Bitcoin is not really money but bitcoin is better than money in terms of usefulness and in many countries there are many who accept payments using bitcoin, so we do not need to exchange money, just we use bitcoin


Bitcoin help us to address all of our financial needs so i considered this is a money too.If money can buy almost everything now so same as bitcoin too. It just happen that paper money is become the first to be recognized but it will be the same for bitcoin soon. If someday that bitcoin will no more value that it cannot be use to purchase anything anymore then that is the time that i will declared bitcoin is not just not really a good money but it is not a money.

But still it cannot be used for offline transactions, while few people believe in electronic transactions, they are still afraid of online account hacking problems and so on, I think bitcoin is not as perfect as fiat, but in terms of assets I still agree with your perspective.
MiF
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August 31, 2017, 10:04:14 AM
Bitcoin is not really money but bitcoin is better than money in terms of usefulness and in many countries there are many who accept payments using bitcoin, so we do not need to exchange money, just we use bitcoin


Bitcoin help us to address all of our financial needs so i considered this is a money too.If money can buy almost everything now so same as bitcoin too. It just happen that paper money is become the first to be recognized but it will be the same for bitcoin soon. If someday that bitcoin will no more value that it cannot be use to purchase anything anymore then that is the time that i will declared bitcoin is not just not really a good money but it is not a money.
sr. member
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August 31, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
Seen in general indeed is not good money, and it is still not really official around the world, but after many peoples who proved that bitcoin can boost finance, i think bitcoin is one of the good ways used to earn money and give many opportunities for many people to earn money and reduce unemployment which without job anymore on their life. So bitcoin can be said a good money to everyone i guess.
I disagree that bitcoin is not really a good money. Well in fact you are very right, many people we're helped financially by bitcoin. Not directly helped like just giving bitcoin to random people but because bitcoin is a way to different online jobs and online stores, and also you can advertise your business with the use of bitcoin.
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August 31, 2017, 08:56:22 AM
Bitcoin is good money that changes the lives of many people for the better and I do not understand why many people say bitcoin is bad. Of course someone can use it for bad purposes, but it can be done with any other currency.
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August 31, 2017, 05:28:49 AM
Your are wrong if you think that bitcoin is not a good money. Bitcoin is a new generation of currencies used in internet worldwide, a lot of investors and traders that could benefit this. They believe that bitcoin could bring them for a great and  good investment in the future and they can generate big profit from here.
I know that bitcoin can make a lot of changes in everyone's life, and most bitcoiners can generate income from here. And probably this could be a good money for us in the future.
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August 31, 2017, 03:47:20 AM
I will only say that bitcoin is not a good money when it has no value anymore. How can you say that bitcoin is not good  money if some people are earning it and holding it.  As long as bitcoin has value it will always be a good money.

I dont understand why there are people saying that bitcoin is dying and bitcoin will be worthless. Maybe they had a bad experience or just trolling and spreading some fud.
Yeah you're right we can say that btc is not a good money if its lose its value. But the reality is we are experiencing an all time high so the community are all happy with the unexpected increase and all are hoping that our christmas will be more happier when it hits $5000.
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August 31, 2017, 03:12:32 AM
I think bitcoin really is a promising digital currency, its price keeps rising beyond the gold price because i think bitcoin is very practical for people who use this digital money.
In addition, the bitcoin stock from the center has been thinned and many people are looking for it, this will make the bitcoin price higher over time as the bitcoin scarcity becomes a big factor in increasing the bitcoin value.
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August 31, 2017, 03:11:27 AM
Well i can say that bitcoin is a good money because of the price increase is not stable but only good for internet transaction not for local transaction because its always need internet before you can send bitcoin to the receiver.. its just like a gold or sliver but the demand is really fast and the movement of the price is really increasing fast unlike gold even its in demand the price is not really increasing fast..
Bitcoin is a good thing online that you can use to buy soemthing and pay for less fee for paying transactions. i don't think that bitcoin is not a good money but there are many people are getting benefits in bitcoin..
In most of the people bitcoin is a good form of money because it somehow represent the future of currency or the future money. So the best thing to do is to trust bitcoin because there is much more room for bitcoin development and growth.
sr. member
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August 31, 2017, 03:08:21 AM
Seen in general indeed is not good money, and it is still not really official around the world, but after many peoples who proved that bitcoin can boost finance, i think bitcoin is one of the good ways used to earn money and give many opportunities for many people to earn money and reduce unemployment which without job anymore on their life. So bitcoin can be said a good money to everyone i guess.
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August 31, 2017, 02:53:09 AM
There are another fews problems with Bitcoin. You might want to include them in here. First of all, Bitcoin’s price is pretty volatile. Just to give you a sense of its volatility, just look at the price chart of Bitcoin a few days ago. Bitcoin price dropped almost 300$USD in the space of 2 hours! That is amazingly bad. Such a characteristic makes Bitcoin a terrible currency. The second characteristic is the freaking high transaction fee. I payed freaking 0.00115742 to transact 0.00396661BTC to another account! Far out! Fiat fees are like a few cents. And here I am paying $6! So as you can see, Bitcoin is not a very good currency at all. The only good thing about it is its decentralised platform and peer to peer network. I still have hope that transaction fees will decrease.

Transactions fee will decrease as infra become more and more developed. Competition between different exchanges and wallets, financed on ICOs and with other venture capital should push fees down. The other point is what to do with the speed of transactions.
Indeed! The transaction fees are not that big problem. With passage of time, they will decrease making all us happier. Speed of transactions is okay for me but I have come across certain threads where people have problem with the speed like it took them even two days sometimes to make a transaction. If this is the case, strict action should be taken soon.
Yes you are right. Transaction fee is something which pinches the investors. But compared to what we are getting in return from Bitcoin, this transaction fee hardly matters. Even then it won’t take much to settle up all the things like fee and time required. These are the things which will be in control in near future.
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August 30, 2017, 11:40:08 AM
Bitcoin is a modern currency of the future and good money. Perhaps he has some minor shortcomings in the form of high fees, but they will be covered by a rapid price increase that will make many people rich.
Everything have downfalls, it is not a new thing. The beauty and aptitude bitcoin have in market, and the people loving it in many regards is superior over a few loopholes or shortcomings of bitcoin. Yeah high fee is the issue but this issue is being handled and you can see fee have been reduced.
legendary
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August 30, 2017, 03:54:20 AM
3-4 years ago bitcoin transaction fee was nice so i was sending money with bitcoin. not its around 2-3$ so its same as local banks. So why do i need to send money using bitcoin?
Then is started to use alt coins but there is a big problem here on local bitcoin exchanges altcoins not supported. So now its a good choice to send money with local banks.

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August 30, 2017, 03:36:56 AM
I know, Bitcoin is designed to be as free from central bank and politician control as possible.  It is open-source, decentralized, etc.

But if you think about it, Bitcoin is still fundamentally worse than gold and silver as a truly free money.

First things first: all of gold, silver and Bitcoin are subject to central bank manipulation by pegging.  When central banks store up enough non-state money, they can sell that money for a fixed dollar or pound price, and thus suppress any appreciation of the non-state money in currency terms.  This enables the elites to acquire wealth and power for free, by issuing state currency and debt, as long as the central bank has enough of the non-state money to fight off any 'run on the bank.'

This was the real nature of the gold and silver standards through most of modern history, that mainstream economists praised for stabilizing state currencies and economies, at that time.  (Of course, they are now firmly against the gold standard, thus both times saying the elites' system was/is good for the economy.)

That said, Bitcoin suffers from the additional problem that it's secured not by physics, but by algorithm.  Algorithms can change.  Algorithms are only guarded by humans who are subject to persuasion.  At some point, the elites will have issued too many IOUs against the Bitcoin in their vaults.  Either we increase the issuance limit from 21 million, or we get a financial crisis and depression.  I imagine most of the developers will be open to talking.  (BTW, some version of this is almost guaranteed to happen, due to the nature of the world system.  For example, all countries have defaulted on their promises to redeem gold at a fixed price.)

This is in contrast to gold and silver, where violating the limit of issuance is physically impossible (or very expensive, with radioactive reactions.)

Another major weakness of Bitcoin is transparency.  In order for the public to hold the elites accountable for their monetary actions, however partially, the easier it is to observe and monitor the system, the better.  The reality is that computer networks and data structures are not easy for most of the public to understand, compared to the age-old concept of holding physical metals.

And we know from experience that the elites take full advantage of lack of public understanding.  Besides the 'gold standard good, gold standard bad' flip-flop by establishment economists, almost every major issue of finance is distorted before the public receive the wisdom passed down to it by the media (and this includes, maybe especially includes, channels tailored to the highly educated, like The Economist magazine and America's PBS television.)  Southeast Asia in the 90s, Greece recently, and Germany between world wars were made to suffer deflation after their financial crises, and the economic justification was 'moral hazard.'  The US was allowed to print devalued money to ease the pain after its own financial crises, and the economic justification was Keynesian pain relief.  (The real reason for the differentiation was that American voters had more power to disrupt the elites' system than those other populations.)

With Bitcoin so much easier to manipulate than gold and silver, no wonder, all the signs are that the elites will promote Bitcoin as the store of value of the future.  This makes even more sense when you consider it would be embarassing for the elites to promote gold or silver instead, since their prices would have to rise to a level much higher than the last time the elites tried to fix them.  Gold has appreciated 30 time since the elites' fixed postwar price of $35/ounce, and would likely have to appreciate another 30 times before a new (de-facto) gold standard can become stable.  This does not make the elites' money look good.  Bitcoin has no such history, and the elites can claim (and likely be believed) that they are merely moving money onto a new, electronic foundation that is more stable than a totally fiat system.

As I mentioned before, the elites must secretly nurture, if not openly promote, some form of safe store of value that is totally trusted by the public.  In today's world, that can only mean non-state-issued money.  The only question is which.
how? , it is very difficult to understand" how is new added bitcoin . " , the creation of bitcoin from origin is 21 million? , the unfortunate bitcoin is the price monopoly. but it does not matter if it only uses as a transfer of wealth by calculating the $ value of bitcoin, yes it depends on the individual.
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August 30, 2017, 03:24:32 AM
There are another fews problems with Bitcoin. You might want to include them in here. First of all, Bitcoin’s price is pretty volatile. Just to give you a sense of its volatility, just look at the price chart of Bitcoin a few days ago. Bitcoin price dropped almost 300$USD in the space of 2 hours! That is amazingly bad. Such a characteristic makes Bitcoin a terrible currency. The second characteristic is the freaking high transaction fee. I payed freaking 0.00115742 to transact 0.00396661BTC to another account! Far out! Fiat fees are like a few cents. And here I am paying $6! So as you can see, Bitcoin is not a very good currency at all. The only good thing about it is its decentralised platform and peer to peer network. I still have hope that transaction fees will decrease.

Transactions fee will decrease as infra become more and more developed. Competition between different exchanges and wallets, financed on ICOs and with other venture capital should push fees down. The other point is what to do with the speed of transactions.
Indeed! The transaction fees are not that big problem. With passage of time, they will decrease making all us happier. Speed of transactions is okay for me but I have come across certain threads where people have problem with the speed like it took them even two days sometimes to make a transaction. If this is the case, strict action should be taken soon.
Delayed transactions do really have the reasons why they do wait for those longer periods of time on which they possibly put small tx fee or the network is congested together on the time that they make transfers. This is the only flaws that i can see on bitcoin as of now. Its anonymity features would really give some negative impressions but wont matter since most people are using it on positive side.
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August 30, 2017, 02:54:09 AM
There are another fews problems with Bitcoin. You might want to include them in here. First of all, Bitcoin’s price is pretty volatile. Just to give you a sense of its volatility, just look at the price chart of Bitcoin a few days ago. Bitcoin price dropped almost 300$USD in the space of 2 hours! That is amazingly bad. Such a characteristic makes Bitcoin a terrible currency. The second characteristic is the freaking high transaction fee. I payed freaking 0.00115742 to transact 0.00396661BTC to another account! Far out! Fiat fees are like a few cents. And here I am paying $6! So as you can see, Bitcoin is not a very good currency at all. The only good thing about it is its decentralised platform and peer to peer network. I still have hope that transaction fees will decrease.

Transactions fee will decrease as infra become more and more developed. Competition between different exchanges and wallets, financed on ICOs and with other venture capital should push fees down. The other point is what to do with the speed of transactions.
Indeed! The transaction fees are not that big problem. With passage of time, they will decrease making all us happier. Speed of transactions is okay for me but I have come across certain threads where people have problem with the speed like it took them even two days sometimes to make a transaction. If this is the case, strict action should be taken soon.
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August 29, 2017, 01:56:53 PM
Iwanted to just say that in all reality, the elites aren't affected by bitcoin right now at all.

Oh, I'll bet that this is very mistaken...

The bond/stock market is somewhere around tens of trillions of dolalrs  or hundreds of trillions of dollars of value.

The total marketcap of  all coins is about 154 Billion USD. That is very small compared to stock/bond market. The elites make their money in stocks/bonds.

A new thing coming out with ICOs all the time can greatly affect their earnings though, as investors will now likely start to notice ICOs and not put that money into stocks/bonds any more.

We are decades away from it making a real impact I would say.

Stocks, bonds, etc. are all based on state-issued money.  The majority of rich people spend most of their time with these, yes.

But the inner circle of power pays special attention to non-state-issued monies, for a variety of reasons, and in a variety of ways.  (See the link from my original post as an example.)

The small market cap of Bitcoin only makes it more attractive for the elites to secretly promote as
an alternative to gold for the role of non-state-issued store of value.  For one, it's cheaper for the elites to acquire and store for future use (for market manipulation, and 'cheap' is only in the sense of minimizing inflation, since the elites can print unlimited dollars and euro.)  For another, Bitcoin's price can grow a lot without embarrassing the elites, since they never tried to fix its price explicitly.  A big growth of value will help adoption of Bitcoin by the public and thus establish it as a legitimate store of value.
The price growth of bitcoin is inevitable, but that is a good quality only for the owners of the coins. Such a high price may deter potential users. Who can afford to buy bitcoins at $ 4,500? But if you're new to bitcoin? For the successful development of a bitcoin needs to exist a labour market with payment in bitcoins. The more people have bitcoins the faster to develop the crypto economy.
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August 29, 2017, 01:32:22 PM
If gold and most fiat currency is created by greedy officials in government and how they used it for personal interest is a big question. If manipulation being thrown around gold it will be detectable as it is personally been in circulation for some time. But telling me that bitcoin is something bad money won't be just any thing I will easily believe in to. Don't bother because I think it's wrong.
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