Topic: Bitcoin is satanic and Satoshi is lucifer! My uncle claims! - page 4. (Read 10112 times)
@OP.
My husband and I are very devout Christians. My husband is even a Biblical scholar. He enjoys reading the Bible in Greek just to make sure he is understanding it correctly. I met him at a Christian college. I am even going on a mission trip to India in a few weeks to work with an organization called Harvest India. I am also well known on this forum as being a very vocal Christian. All that said, I am very for Bitcoin.
Sure there are people involved that are not Christian. We are "in the world not of the world" right? And yes, I think that Bitcoin could certainly be the "one world currency" that is talked about in the Bible (all the more proof of it's success). However, in scripture it is not the "one world currency" that is evil. It is the control of the people by putting a mark on hands to buy and sell by the antichrist, whoever that ends up being (perhaps Satoshi if at some point he comes out of hiding to "save" the world from fianacial ruin?) that is the problem. I believe it is incredibly important that Christians purchase as much Bitcoin as they possibly can. Bitcoin is not owned by any government and it is peer-to-peer and it just might give Christians the flexibility needed to make choices when the day comes that we are being told we have to have a mark to buy and sell. Having some coins that are not within reach of governments might be the only thing we can access before being put to death or in jail. Just something to think about.
It kind of reminds me of how so many Christians were against movies when Hollywood started out. If anything, it would have so much better if Christians had just embraced movies and came out with more wholesome movies at that point. Instead they feared it and because of that the industry has now swayed generations of people in less wholesome directions.
We need to be "cunning as serpents and innocent as doves." Using Bitcoin for God's purpose is where my heart is at and I would encourage your uncle to at least pray about it more seriously and read him my comments as well.
Edit: As for your uncle's concern of Bitcoin's early adopters having some deep rooted connections with transhumanism and having extroprian roots, this just seems to be the pride that comes with most people I encounter that are drunk in their own intelligence and is just typical of the scientific community today. I had a biology teacher that had me read Adolf Huxley's Brave New World in high school. (this was 20 years ago) I read the book and thought it was completely ridiculous and a fantasy at best. I was shocked to learn that he seriously believed that it was a brilliant look into what the future should be, but it was a cold and loveless world in my eyes. This was my first insight into how the "intelligent" minds perceive things. Now I see people that think they know more than God. They don't need God and they even want to find a way to "outsmart" God if that was even possible (but of course they don't even believe God exists anyways.) So the cryogenics and transhumanism is just an extension of this sort of thought. Perhaps they are the early Bitcoin developers because they are highly intelligent? The more intelligent minds are drawn to these sorts of things? I am not entirely sure. It doesn't mean that Bitcoin isn't brilliant though and a intelligently designed work (designed by those whom God gave the intelligence to begin with
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My husband and I are very devout Christians. My husband is even a Biblical scholar. He enjoys reading the Bible in Greek just to make sure he is understanding it correctly. I met him at a Christian college. I am even going on a mission trip to India in a few weeks to work with an organization called Harvest India. I am also well known on this forum as being a very vocal Christian. All that said, I am very for Bitcoin.
Sure there are people involved that are not Christian. We are "in the world not of the world" right? And yes, I think that Bitcoin could certainly be the "one world currency" that is talked about in the Bible (all the more proof of it's success). However, in scripture it is not the "one world currency" that is evil. It is the control of the people by putting a mark on hands to buy and sell by the antichrist, whoever that ends up being (perhaps Satoshi if at some point he comes out of hiding to "save" the world from fianacial ruin?) that is the problem. I believe it is incredibly important that Christians purchase as much Bitcoin as they possibly can. Bitcoin is not owned by any government and it is peer-to-peer and it just might give Christians the flexibility needed to make choices when the day comes that we are being told we have to have a mark to buy and sell. Having some coins that are not within reach of governments might be the only thing we can access before being put to death or in jail. Just something to think about.
It kind of reminds me of how so many Christians were against movies when Hollywood started out. If anything, it would have so much better if Christians had just embraced movies and came out with more wholesome movies at that point. Instead they feared it and because of that the industry has now swayed generations of people in less wholesome directions.
We need to be "cunning as serpents and innocent as doves." Using Bitcoin for God's purpose is where my heart is at and I would encourage your uncle to at least pray about it more seriously and read him my comments as well.
Edit: As for your uncle's concern of Bitcoin's early adopters having some deep rooted connections with transhumanism and having extroprian roots, this just seems to be the pride that comes with most people I encounter that are drunk in their own intelligence and is just typical of the scientific community today. I had a biology teacher that had me read Adolf Huxley's Brave New World in high school. (this was 20 years ago) I read the book and thought it was completely ridiculous and a fantasy at best. I was shocked to learn that he seriously believed that it was a brilliant look into what the future should be, but it was a cold and loveless world in my eyes. This was my first insight into how the "intelligent" minds perceive things. Now I see people that think they know more than God. They don't need God and they even want to find a way to "outsmart" God if that was even possible (but of course they don't even believe God exists anyways.) So the cryogenics and transhumanism is just an extension of this sort of thought. Perhaps they are the early Bitcoin developers because they are highly intelligent? The more intelligent minds are drawn to these sorts of things? I am not entirely sure. It doesn't mean that Bitcoin isn't brilliant though and a intelligently designed work (designed by those whom God gave the intelligence to begin with
) I've heard all the theories possible on this. Namely, Satoshi is the NSA, Satoshi is the Rothchilds+Rockefellers, Satoshi is Obama, Satoshi is Lucifer, Satoshi is Dorian Nakomoto... there is nothing new to say, what the hell is next?
Its a ocean of possibilities..please contribute some for satoshistories
http://www.reddit.com/r/satoshistories
I've heard all the theories possible on this. Namely, Satoshi is the NSA, Satoshi is the Rothchilds+Rockefellers, Satoshi is Obama, Satoshi is Lucifer, Satoshi is Dorian Nakomoto... there is nothing new to say, what the hell is next?
We will just have to wait till he reveals himself.
I've heard all the theories possible on this. Namely, Satoshi is the NSA, Satoshi is the Rothchilds+Rockefellers, Satoshi is Obama, Satoshi is Lucifer, Satoshi is Dorian Nakomoto... there is nothing new to say, what the hell is next?
Your uncle is right. If you use Bitcoin your soul is going to solidify into a giant gummy bear and be eaten by satanic fat girls at the Torrid store in the shopping mall. Now send me all your Bitcoins before satan shoves a hot pitchfork up your corn crack.
Did anybody inform the church? They accepting BTC ---> https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/first-church-to-accept-bitcoins-825969
So the QR Code is the mark of the Animal? And BTC is the one world currency? What is VISA and Master Card? Or the eye on the dollar Bill? {Fiat}
Are ALL types of money not the root of all EVIL?
Having 400 different types of Alt coins nulify this statement, of having one world currency. Soon we would see, countries moving from their fiat currency to a digital version, based on the BTC protocol or even their own protocol in my opinion, so this would also stop the move towards a one world currency.
FIAT will stay with us for many years to come, because 3rd world countries have no infrastructure to support digital money.
So the QR Code is the mark of the Animal? And BTC is the one world currency? What is VISA and Master Card? Or the eye on the dollar Bill? {Fiat}
Are ALL types of money not the root of all EVIL?
Having 400 different types of Alt coins nulify this statement, of having one world currency. Soon we would see, countries moving from their fiat currency to a digital version, based on the BTC protocol or even their own protocol in my opinion, so this would also stop the move towards a one world currency.
FIAT will stay with us for many years to come, because 3rd world countries have no infrastructure to support digital money.
I think bitcoin is sent from god instead of satan because it will free us from the insanity on wall street.. kind of a nudge in the right direction.
Fair point if anything Wall Street is still a Gordon Gecko Bernie Madoff Dog eat Dog world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-69_ncALA0&list=UUz1gDjOYJ02YbG8_nEtq-gA
You know Bitcoin pays for beatings
An offshoot is that society doesn't know how to talk with each other nowadays outside of work and schools (I'm not counting your Bar runs) which is why we need churches for social interactions perhaps a small nudge towards a more attractive meetup without all the partying as well.
Oh and no Boy Band Commonalities ^_^
(Felt like putting in a mention lol)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnYG2EOFEDU&index=1&list=UUz1gDjOYJ02YbG8_nEtq-gA
I think bitcoin is sent from god instead of satan because it will free us from the insanity on wall street.. kind of a nudge in the right direction.
This should be a politics and society topic as well amusing enough
But it fits in Bitcoin discussion either way I like it this one seems fun it possibly could be the devils fruit since it does move us closer to a universal single currency also known as the one world currency.
Some of the apocalyptic stuff is off but Hal and the others do want to use cryo to come back and are Extroprians the other main root being Cypherpunks! which is the ideology shared among them.
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/
Finney was also an avowed libertarian and well-known figure within the cypherpunks.
Empowering individuals with encryption, preserving privacy, and foiling surveillance.
No demons there ^_^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk
Either way the discussion of the end times its fruition is still a bit off from now so fear not the end times are a coming but not for a few decades.
^_^
But it fits in Bitcoin discussion either way I like it this one seems fun it possibly could be the devils fruit since it does move us closer to a universal single currency also known as the one world currency.
Some of the apocalyptic stuff is off but Hal and the others do want to use cryo to come back and are Extroprians the other main root being Cypherpunks! which is the ideology shared among them.
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/hal-finney/
Finney was also an avowed libertarian and well-known figure within the cypherpunks.
Empowering individuals with encryption, preserving privacy, and foiling surveillance.
No demons there ^_^
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypherpunk
Either way the discussion of the end times its fruition is still a bit off from now so fear not the end times are a coming but not for a few decades.
^_^
Sounds like something my mom would say. I do hope he's right about the getting rich part though!
Neither God nor Satan exist. No need to look any further. End of story.
Neither God nor Satan exist. No need to look any further. End of story.
Exactly
The flaw in your logic is there is no God.
Well, you can believe your uncle that Satoshi's real identity will never be revealed. I think that's definitely true.
Beyond that, I'm glad you found the passage relevant. Although I'm still not sure what it has to do with the question you asked, and I think it's good as philosophy and poetry of a sort rather than believing it as literal truth myself, I felt that it is somehow relevant.
Beyond that, I'm glad you found the passage relevant. Although I'm still not sure what it has to do with the question you asked, and I think it's good as philosophy and poetry of a sort rather than believing it as literal truth myself, I felt that it is somehow relevant.
Dont believe everything your uncle says. 
I'm going to preface this by saying I'm not religious any more, although there are religious people and philosophies which I still deeply respect. I was born into a minority Christian sect which I am now estranged from.
Here's what I learned, when I was very young, about Shaitan (whom most of Christianity calls Satan). It was only considerably later that I began to question it, and discovered that it's not what everyone else learned. I don't know whether or not it is relevant to the current discussion, but it's at least an interesting view of the conflict between God and Satan that very few have heard.
Hum. I am completely unable to find this text in any computer-readable format anywhere. I guess I'll have to type it in.
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At the very start of the Universe, God had his Angels to do His will. Angels are with no free will of their own, they exist to implement the will of God. Each Angel has a purpose, and must fulfill that purpose. Lacking free will, they cannot choose to do good, and God desired that beings free to choose otherwise should choose to do good, and he had a plan to create free-willed beings who could make that choice. Therefore many Angels had purposes which related to men.
One of these Angels, who was called the Morning Star, the Light Bringer, or Lucifer, has a very special purpose. He exists to tempt humankind to sin and divert them, if he can, from the path of righteousness.
The world, and people, were created as recounted in the book of Genesis, and unlike the Angels, they were given free will, because it is God's plan that they should be able to freely choose to do good. At the beginning, they were in harmony with God, but they were not good. They were not evil, but they were not yet good either, because although they had free will, they had made no choice to do good. And so Lucifer set to his appointed task, first drawing them away from their harmony with God in bringing them to eat the fruit of knowledge against God's order.
This was against God's order, but not against God's will. God intended for humans to know the difference between good and evil, so that they could choose one or the other. And that is why the tree of knowledge of good and evil had been first created. Not to eat the fruit of the tree was the one command God had given Adam and Eve, so Lucifer could not fulfill his purpose other than by making them to eat the fruit of the tree. This he did, as God had known he would and as God willed. The fall of man, the first sin, was what gave humanity the knowledge of good and evil, so that now men and women could choose freely between them with knowledge of which was which. Humanity was no longer in harmony with God, but was now capable of truly being good. Or, should their free will succumb to Lucifer's temptation, capable of truly being evil.
Because Lucifer's job was to tempt humanity away from choosing good, he always saw people at their worst. And because humanity, especially in those early days before the first purification of the flood, was weak, his job was all too easy. Yet, he saw that God valued the devotion of these weak creatures, humans, more than God valued the adoration of the Angels, because the Angels were not capable of making a free choice between good and evil. And so in his heart, Lucifer became jealous of man for God's love, and bitter at God for loving humanity more than the Angels.
It was this jealousy, this bitterness, that drove Lucifer to rebel against God. This was when he became known as Shaitan, or Satan, for he abandoned his angelic name as a sign of his rebellion. And he rebelled, by continuing to fulfill the purpose for which he had been created. Because he is an angel and angels have no free will, and he cannot turn from his purpose. His rebellion is not in his task, it is in his heart. He still does his task, but now he does not do it as other Angels do, with joy and love and devotion to God, but instead with resentment, and hate, and bitterness, and jealousy towards both man and God. He himself is the most tortured being in Hell, because he is an Angel who is no longer in harmony with God.
Shaitan sets the pattern for evil, because it is with resentment, and hate, and bitterness, and jealousy, that he brings men to sin. So be wary of these things, because when you feel them, they mean that Shaitan is with you, and you approach a point where a choice between good and evil must be made.
One of these Angels, who was called the Morning Star, the Light Bringer, or Lucifer, has a very special purpose. He exists to tempt humankind to sin and divert them, if he can, from the path of righteousness.
The world, and people, were created as recounted in the book of Genesis, and unlike the Angels, they were given free will, because it is God's plan that they should be able to freely choose to do good. At the beginning, they were in harmony with God, but they were not good. They were not evil, but they were not yet good either, because although they had free will, they had made no choice to do good. And so Lucifer set to his appointed task, first drawing them away from their harmony with God in bringing them to eat the fruit of knowledge against God's order.
This was against God's order, but not against God's will. God intended for humans to know the difference between good and evil, so that they could choose one or the other. And that is why the tree of knowledge of good and evil had been first created. Not to eat the fruit of the tree was the one command God had given Adam and Eve, so Lucifer could not fulfill his purpose other than by making them to eat the fruit of the tree. This he did, as God had known he would and as God willed. The fall of man, the first sin, was what gave humanity the knowledge of good and evil, so that now men and women could choose freely between them with knowledge of which was which. Humanity was no longer in harmony with God, but was now capable of truly being good. Or, should their free will succumb to Lucifer's temptation, capable of truly being evil.
Because Lucifer's job was to tempt humanity away from choosing good, he always saw people at their worst. And because humanity, especially in those early days before the first purification of the flood, was weak, his job was all too easy. Yet, he saw that God valued the devotion of these weak creatures, humans, more than God valued the adoration of the Angels, because the Angels were not capable of making a free choice between good and evil. And so in his heart, Lucifer became jealous of man for God's love, and bitter at God for loving humanity more than the Angels.
It was this jealousy, this bitterness, that drove Lucifer to rebel against God. This was when he became known as Shaitan, or Satan, for he abandoned his angelic name as a sign of his rebellion. And he rebelled, by continuing to fulfill the purpose for which he had been created. Because he is an angel and angels have no free will, and he cannot turn from his purpose. His rebellion is not in his task, it is in his heart. He still does his task, but now he does not do it as other Angels do, with joy and love and devotion to God, but instead with resentment, and hate, and bitterness, and jealousy towards both man and God. He himself is the most tortured being in Hell, because he is an Angel who is no longer in harmony with God.
Shaitan sets the pattern for evil, because it is with resentment, and hate, and bitterness, and jealousy, that he brings men to sin. So be wary of these things, because when you feel them, they mean that Shaitan is with you, and you approach a point where a choice between good and evil must be made.
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Clearly, bitcoin can be used for good or evil. There are very
few things that are universally 'Satanic'. Mostly good or evil
is in the heart and intention of the person.
So, in my humble opinion, I think your uncle is
seeing something that isn't there and projecting
his own ideas about "evil" onto Bitcoin.
Like others have said, there are very clear,
simple reasons why Satoshi is anonymous.
Also, not all Bitcoiners think alike.
I personally am not into transhumanism
whatsoever.
few things that are universally 'Satanic'. Mostly good or evil
is in the heart and intention of the person.
So, in my humble opinion, I think your uncle is
seeing something that isn't there and projecting
his own ideas about "evil" onto Bitcoin.
Like others have said, there are very clear,
simple reasons why Satoshi is anonymous.
Also, not all Bitcoiners think alike.
I personally am not into transhumanism
whatsoever.
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