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A very interesting Twitter Space was held by Alex Gladstein, discussing various toplics.
Of course, the main issue was the Central African Republic.

This is the link to the recording of the Twitter Space:


DISCUSSING THE CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC MAKING BITCOIN LEGAL TENDER

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Alex Gladstein and Fodé Diop join a Bitcoin Magazine Twitter Spaces to share updates about the Central African Republic’s plan for Bitcoin adoption.


My Friends  at the BIP_Show decided to publish a little executive summary of that Twitter Space:

S04E18 - Delle due... LUNA Starting Point at 44:55


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Rikki: "Dear Guybrush, what topic do you want to cover?"

Guybrush: “I would like to be interested in what is happening in Central Africa because I have seen some news. What is the name of the president of the Central African Republic? I saw that details emerged about his private life, about what he studied: it turns out that he is a math genius, then there are videos of him who despite being the president gives math lessons in the classroom. Do you know more? "

Rikki: So I studied the subject a bit. In reality, even on this story of the president's Twitter account, there is a whole mystery because he did not have Twitter before, then he became Twitter a few weeks ago, practically he is just talking about cryptocurrencies, plus he tweets in a rather ungrammatical English-French. So there are those who doubt the authenticity of who actually manages this account.
But let's do a little order, let's start from the beginning because interesting and worrying news arrive from the Central African Republic at the same time. Once again, Bitcoin Italia Podcast tells you about Bitcoin as nobody tells you, and therefore, unfortunately, we are forced to go against the trend for a moment with what is the narrative of the Bitcoin world in general that greets the law that, in fact, makes Bitcoin Legal Tender in the Central African Republic as the first step, the second piece, of that domino effect triggered by El Salvador that many blind bitcoiners hope has begun and is now unstoppable. In reality, as we had already said in a few episodes, the situation in the Central African Republic is very different from that of El Salvador is a largely depopulated nation, a large territory with 5 million inhabitants, an average salary that is one-third of that of El Salvador: the average salary of the inhabitants of that region is around 100 dollars a month. A region which, despite being rich in raw materials, is therefore very poor and which is experiencing a situation of violent civil war. My first concern, therefore, was to understand how the use of Bitcoin as a Legal Tender could work in a nation with these characteristics of instability and with a practically non-existent technological infrastructure: 11% of the population, I remind you, has access to the internet. So I used some of my contacts to document myself and the evidence I was able to find inevitably demonstrates that such a thing cannot work in the Central African Republic. Absolutely not. The situation is very complex, it is not El Salvador from any point of view. I spoke to a dear friend who is a doctor from Milan who has worked for Emergency for a long time and has been responsible for Emergency's projects in Africa for a long time and who has been in the Central African Republic for over a year and a half. He is a dear friend he is a collaborator, I was one of his collaborators I worked for him for a few years, and so I called him immediately to understand a little what his opinions could be. He is someone who knows nothing about Bitcoin, but he knows a lot about Africa and the Central African Republic. And he painted me a picture that to define in dark colours is really using a metaphor, a euphemism. In what sense? The sense that he spent a year and a half in Central Africa and then he left because Emergency closed the facilities and hospitals in the country.

GuyBrush: “If even Emergency can't make it, we're in bad shape”.

Rikki: "Exactly, because it was not able, the largest health NGO in the world, the one with one of the highest economic powers, and above all a logistics sector of unbeatable value, which has hospitals in Kabul, which has hospitals under bombs is left Central Africa because he had no guarantee of being able to ensure the safety of his personnel.
So this must already give us a fairly delineated outline. So a very difficult situation, when they were there, they lived isolated facts because they could not go around or leave the Emergency compounds or health facilities. He then told me of a situation, in addition to widespread violence, of endemic corruption at the political level and at the civil and social level. That is, the Central African Republic is not a poor country, it is very rich in raw materials, it is full of gold and diamonds, it is full of oil. What's the problem? The problem is that this wealth coagulates in pockets of corruption that are extreme which translates into a history of dictators, political instability and civil war, one of which, as I said, is underway. So it is not clear, in this very complicated context, what the meaning of a Bitcoin law is given that, and we will see it shortly, it is not a Bitcoin law. And this must be said very clearly. The question arises, however, as to what: it is the months that parliament actually faces, this law writes; a much-discussed law, which has had a rather troubled parliamentary process and is discovered by experts in the country and cryptography experts. There was a beautiful live, a Twitter Space indeed, from the Bitcoin Magazine account with Alex Gladstein who invited a whole series of activists from the country and neighbouring countries, therefore experts from the Central African Republic and Bitcoin experts, who told how there is evidence that the law was strongly supported through a large lobbying job by this obscure Cameroonian businessman who has on his resume a history of industrial scams, financial scams, full-blown Ponzi schemes and sought after in several African states. This thing sets off an alarm bell. For what reason? Analyzing the text, the text is very smoky, the text of the law as it was written is very smoky because the Central African Republic is one of those 15 countries that have the Franco Colonial. The law, which does not speak only of Bitcoin, but speaks in a generic way of cryptocurrencies in more than one article, effectively equates them to legal tender currency, therefore to the colonial franc. This is a big problem that has been raised by many experts from the Central African Republic because the suspicion is, in essence, that there is a scam behind the law - that these very wealthy people actually want a legal way to steal state money. as, trivially introducing useless tokens like Luna, demanding from the Central Bank the conversion of the shit-token created ad hoc into the colonial franc, and escaping with the colonial franc or in any case cashing in the colonial franc. Which is possible today by reading the text of the law. So this is a very serious problem because let's forget that most of the analysts and NGOs I have read comments and works about in recent weeks agree to the law, forget that the Central African Republic can use Bitcoins in the streets: it is impossible, there is no technological infrastructure for this to happen. So there are two cases: we can see the glass as half full and this is extremely interesting because if this were an attempt to escape the direct control of the French Central Bank; remember, the colonial franc is printed directly by the French Central Bank and is pegged to the Euro so it is their Stable Fiat Coin. And from this point of view it serves, for this purpose in 15 countries, 180 million people live in African states that have the Colonial Franc as state currency. So if this is an attempt to escape the direct control of the former colonial power, then this is certainly potentially very interesting because it can be a fuse: 180 million people 15 states, if this were, much more populous than the Central African Republic if this motion of rebellion was born in Central Africa and then flared up in the rest of these 15 countries, would be fantastic! And it would be a very interesting thing to see. The problem is that the other side of the coin is that this is a state Ponzi scheme. And unfortunately, from the information I was able to recover, it seems that this is more the case.

Guybrush: “I understand that there will not be a“ Central African Mission ”

Rikki:“ No, for the moment, let's wait to see what happens, I would say. “

Guybrush:" So the Twitter account of the Central African president who tweets all the time, that is, it's not official, but does the president know? Didn't he distance himself? "

Rikki: "Back then in this Space, a local journalist spoke who said he had confirmation from the staff that it is an official account anyway. But it was clearly created to talk about crypto because this account only talks about crypto when there is some other one too. problem in Central Africa. "

GuyBrush:" Eh, They wanted to replicate the Bukele model. "

Rikki:" Oh yeah, exactly. Probably yes, not understood. Bukele's account, but to a group of collaborators who, however, I repeat, you don't know who they are because you don't have to imagine a normal presidential office. Cartels of drug traffickers, or mafia organizations.

Guybrush: "Ok, so little enthusiasm for this move by Central Africa"

​​Rikki: "A lot of caution, if not little enthusiasm."

Guybrush: "This teaches us that whenever there will be an announcement of this type we must be cautious instead of this announcement here many had incensed, especially Samsung Mow: "Here the Domino Effect has already started" we must be very careful ".

Rikki: "There is a lot of propaganda even in our world, guys, things are complex and our path will not be triumphal, but it will be fraught with dangers and slips because unfortunately the world out there, to which Bitcoin must adhere, is complicated and full of complexity and enormous problems. To think that Bitcoin would have saved Africa without having to deal with African dictators, African oligarchs, international countries that have billionaire interests in Africa, guerrillas, African militias, African ethnic clashes, corruption and endemic poverty. Africa is just telling a fairy tale ".

GuyBrush: ”Ok good. Anyway congratulations for the investigation because I had not yet found all this precision anywhere in the various articles. I had tried to inform myself a little but it is all very confusing and above all, being sector magazines, everyone always talks about the Domino Effect, adoption level with nation-state adoption is the new of 2022 ".

Rikki: “Then not even net of analyzes that are not so much in depth objectively, there is a difficulty in having reliable news coming from there. That is, I will give you a stupid example, the connection from Central Africa of this Twitter Space kept jumping because this was in the capital and the internet in the capital is patchy, so we are talking about this technological infrastructure. Just imagine you guys ".

GuyBrush: "Okay".
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Bitcoin gives individuals the opportunity to escape from the financial errors created by government and their agents. Hence, Bitcoin is not for nations but for the people. And any government that wants the financial freedom of its citizens should adopt Bitcoin.

There is no reason that you need to create such a framework in which you believe that there is some kind of interest in favorable of the people but not also to the advantage of nation/states.

For sure, some nation/states, institutions and status quo rich people are going to consider bitcoin as a threat to whatever systems of wealth that they have in place; nonetheless, bitcoin seems to create options/opportunities for states, institutions and even status quo rich people

I just grasped that my framework is somehow imbalance. Bitcoin would indeed favor nations/states this is because it is the wealth of individuals that culminate to the total wealth of a nation. Hence, if Bitcoin can to some extent contribute to the wealth of individuals, then the aggregate income and aggregate consumption of the nation would increase. Bitcoin's ability to create options/opportunities also has the ability to improve the saving behavior of people of a particular nation. And an increase in the savings of citizens has the tendency of increasing household investments and household owned assets, which to a large extent affects the GDP positively.     
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Bitcoin gives individuals the opportunity to escape from the financial errors created by government and their agents. Hence, Bitcoin is not for nations but for the people. And any government that wants the financial freedom of its citizens should adopt Bitcoin.

There is no reason that you need to create such a framework in which you believe that there is some kind of interest in favorable of the people but not also to the advantage of nation/states.

For sure, some nation/states, institutions and status quo rich people are going to consider bitcoin as a threat to whatever systems of wealth that they have in place; nonetheless, bitcoin seems to create options/opportunities for states, institutions and even status quo rich people even if some of the options/opportunities might be different - depending on you level of wealth or maybe even your level of taking advantage of others through status quo systems.. and likely bitcoin will continue to incentivize more fairness based on the way it is structured.

Any systematic change is likely to cause for some level of winner and losers, but some of the seeming efficiencies in bitcoin and even some of the likely paradigm changing aspects of bitcoin seem likely to create new value too.
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One could think tose third world states are irrelevant, or tiny economies, often overlooked by most powerful countries, so Bitcoin is irrelevant if the orange pilling stays in these regions.
But remember that Bitcoin is of uttermost importance for this people, not the privileged rich people wanting to cash in quick money. Just as Jameson Loop says:



In 2015 when inflation skyrocketed in Zimbabwe the government was forced to print $100 trillion notes (each worth just $40) and access to other foreign currencies like the dollars was impossible, the people turned to Bitcoin. In 2018 the United Nation predicted that Africa could be the next frontier for cryptocurrencies due to high inflation. This is why the main Bitcoin countries are countries with double-digit inflation rates such as Botswana, Ghana, Kenya, Nigeria, South Africa and Zimbabwe.

It is also reported that about 57% of Africans don't have a traditional bank account because most banks in the continent have limited economic options to serve its citizens. Bitcoin is one of the best options to give this voiceless people cheap access to financial transactions.

Most African nations are still suffering from neocolonialism. Their colonial masters still control their financial sector. Opponents of the France backed CAR's currency CFA  indicated that in exchange for the guarantees provided by the French treasury, African countries channel more money to France than they receive in aid. They also argue that they have no say in deciding key monetary policies agreed to by France and sometimes these economic policies affect the people negatively. CAR government believe that Bitcoin as an alternative legal tender would reduce this financial influence to a large extent.

For me Bitcoin is not a get rich quick scheme but its target is to assist in giving individuals control over their finance. The economy might not get better if Bitcoin is made a legal tender, but an opportunity have been created for individuals to be free to choose between alternatives that give them the utmost satisfaction. Bitcoin gives individuals the opportunity to escape from the financial errors created by government and their agents. Hence, Bitcoin is not for nations but for the people. And any government that wants the financial freedom of its citizens should adopt Bitcoin.

https://www.un.org/africarenewal/magazine/april-2018-july-2018/africa-could-be-next-frontier-cryptocurrency
https://thefintechtimes.com/top-african-challenger-banks-helping-the-unbanked-through-mobile-services/
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41094094
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One could think tose third world states are irrelevant, or tiny economies, often overlooked by most powerful countries, so Bitcoin is irrelevant if the orange pilling stays in these regions.
But remember that Bitcoin is of uttermost importance for this people, not the privileged rich people wanting to cash in quick money. Just as Jameson Loop says:



I had an argument with a guy on the forum who defended precisely that, he insisted on belittling those countries for being poor and belittling the effect that the adoption of BTC could have in those countries of low GDP. Isn't it the most normal thing that it is precisely those countries that are interested in BTC? I think it is quite normal and welcome every small country that wants to adopt bitcoin as legal tender.
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Nayib Bukele organized a conference to illustrate to other nation states  the perks of Bitcoin Adoption:


Nayib Bukele says 44 countries to meet in El Salvador to discuss bitcoin


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Nayib Bukele, the president of El Salvador, tweeted late Sunday that 44 countries will meet in El Salvador on Monday to discuss bitcoin, among other things.

"Tomorrow, 32 central banks and 12 financial authorities (44 countries) will meet in El Salvador to discuss financial inclusion, digital economy, banking the unbanked, the #Bitcoin rollout and its benefits in our country," wrote Bukele.





One could think tose third world states are irrelevant, or tiny economies, often overlooked by most powerful countries, so Bitcoin is irrelevant if the orange pilling stays in these regions.
But remember that Bitcoin is of uttermost importance for this people, not the privileged rich people wanting to cash in quick money. Just as Jameson Loop says:



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When the reality goes further than fantasy:
the Central African Colonial Central Bank  (BEAC) has written an email to the President of the Touadera that the news "Bitcoin" was adopted as legal tender could cause "significant negative impact"



No shit Scherlock!
It's not a surprise because it was predicted that these anti-bitcoin forces would fight back. My question is BEAC has been the central bank of CAR for decades but this country has been suffering from hyperinflation , poverty and several economic challenges, why have their diverse economic policies failed? This poor and helpless country is now seeking for alternative means of survival and they are predicting negative economic outcome. Why are IMF and BEAC policies not yielding positive outcomes. I am also expecting a letter from IMF's managing director (MD) and Chairwoman Kristalina Georgieva.
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^^^ LOL.. the sarcastic post lighted up my mood for today. France retains a strict grip on its former colonies (especially those in Africa). Franc is still being used as a currency in some of these nations (although in mainland France it has been replaced with Euro). Let's not forget the negative role played by France during the Rwanda genocide of 1994. Some of the countries (especially CAR and Mali) has lead the rebellion against continuing French dominance, and the former colonial power has reacted quite angrily by supporting various terrorist and militia groups in these countries.
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When the reality goes further than fantasy:
the Central African Colonial Central Bank  (BEAC) has written an email to the President of the Touadera that the news "Bitcoin" was adopted as legal tender could cause "significant negative impact"



No shit Scherlock!
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Those of us who live within the borders of the United States must accept official U.S. legal tender for the payment of debts. I believe that this is the only meaning of 'legal tender'. Bitcoins (for example) CAN be accepted to pay debts, but the other party is not obliged to accept them. So I wouldn't expect a government to accept them instead of U.S. dollars for paying taxes or your landlord for paying the rent/bank for paying the mortgage. However, it is perfectly legal to use bitcoins to pay for goods and services, just as it is perfectly legal to use one of a plethora of other forms of payment (including foreign currencies) as long as the other party accepts them.
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It boggles me to see how accurate the El Salvadoran President made Predictions about two countries asides El Salvador making Bitcoin a legal tender and also Bitcoin price getting to 100,000.
If I can recall accurately he made this prediction earlier this year, January 22.
He made mention of Bitcoin been a problem(affecting) in the USA general elections, but still waiting too see how that goes!
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Quelle surprise: Central African banks scold the CAR for Bitcoin adoption

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The governor of the Bank of Central African States (Banque des États de l'Afrique Centrale, BEAC) has issued a scathing letter to the Central African Republic (CAR) regarding the country’s adoption of cryptocurrencies.

In a letter addressed to the CAR Finance Minister Hervé Ndoba, the Governor of the BEAC Abbas Mahamat Tolli describes the “substantial negative impact” that the CAR adopting crypto will have on the monetary union of Central Africa.

I was expecting IMF to talk bad about bitcoin as a legal tender in CAR as it did with El Salvador, but recently also the the governor of the Bank of Central African States which we should also be expecting, not a surprise because the banks are most of the time an enemy to bitcoin.

I think if bitcoin is not made a compulsory payment, there should not be a problem. I see the banks/fiats as what first dominated the monetary system and trying everything they can to make sure any other form of money would not be acceptable. Bitcoin is never made a compulsory payment in CAR.
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We saw it coming, again.
The IMF rants about yet another bitcoin adoption.

The decision drew criticism from opposition parties and was made
without consulting the regional central bank, which manages a common currency used by six countries including the Central African Republic.

Government oppositions would always criticize the policies of the ruling government. CAR opposition has been very notorious. They opposed election, national reconciliation and most of these oppositions such as COD2020 and the KNK have strong ties with rebel groups. And these rebels have destabilized the country for decades. Also the opposition is represented in the Parliament where the decision to legalize bitcoin was unanimously accepted. So the IMF is just bluffing.

The Bank of Central African States (BEAC) is a French puppet because it takes orders from Paris. Critics of the BEAC issued currency (Central African CFA franc) argue that the economic development for the African countries that use the currency can only be achieved if they get rid of the currency. They indicated that in exchange for the guarantees provided by the French treasury, African countries channel more money to France than they receive in aid. They also argue that they have no say in deciding key monetary policies agreed to by European countries, which are members of the Eurozone consider as a symbol of the economic and financial domination by France of the countries sharing it. CAR is choosing Bitcoin because the country wants to free itself from financial bondage. So IMF, Paris Club and France are just scared because one of their slaves is gaining freedom.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-41094094
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I'm not so sure about people realizing the truth behind the US dollar. The currency has been subject to criticism for the past decades and yet it remains to be generally strong. Much about the weakening or even the demise of the US dollar has been discussed through the years and yet until today the US dollar remains globally influential. When Nixon removed the gold standard from the US dollar in 1971, there were much talks about its growing instability and yet we are already in 2022 and it's still here. There are still threats against the powerful currency but it remains to be the smacker everyone is after.

Well.. I agree, to some extent. Previous attempts to replace the USD with other fiat currencies such as EUR and CNY has ended in failure. Because in these cases, the alternative was deemed to be even worse than the primary option. The case with Bitcoin is different. It is protected against inflation as a result of controlled supply algorithm, and there is hardly any chance that one of the governments or some other external actors will be able to take control of it. One of the drawbacks of USD is that the western nations decide when to freeze your funds, as Russia just found out.
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A lot of people around the world seems to have realized the truth behind the US Dollar. The USD is the biggest financial fraud in the world, which enables the American government to take tens of trillions in loans from the creditors, at near zero interest rates. The usage of USD as the reserve and trade currency means that people around the world are funding the Americans at the expense of their own interests. With Bitcoin at least, the possibility of someone taking undue advantage of it's widespread usage is slim.

I'm not so sure about people realizing the truth behind the US dollar. The currency has been subject to criticism for the past decades and yet it remains to be generally strong. Much about the weakening or even the demise of the US dollar has been discussed through the years and yet until today the US dollar remains globally influential. When Nixon removed the gold standard from the US dollar in 1971, there were much talks about its growing instability and yet we are already in 2022 and it's still here. There are still threats against the powerful currency but it remains to be the smacker everyone is after.
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A lot of people around the world seems to have realized the truth behind the US Dollar. The USD is the biggest financial fraud in the world, which enables the American government to take tens of trillions in loans from the creditors, at near zero interest rates. The usage of USD as the reserve and trade currency means that people around the world are funding the Americans at the expense of their own interests. With Bitcoin at least, the possibility of someone taking undue advantage of it's widespread usage is slim.
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Now many people say that bitcoin is currently legalized in small countries such as el savador and several other small countries and currently it is the republic of central africa which will soon legalize bitcoin, i am increasingly optimistic that bitcoin trends in the future will continue to increase and will soon be legalized in developed countries and the world soon accepted bitcoin.
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We saw it coming, again.
The IMF rants about yet another bitcoin adoption.

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05/04/2022 19:34:40 [BN] Bloomberg News
Bitcoin Adoption by Central African Republic a Concern, IMF Says

  • IMF staff working with authorities to address challenges
  • Nation’s government adopted Bitcoin as legal tender last week

By Loni Prinsloo
The Central African Republic’s adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender presents a series of challenges
for the country and the region, the International Monetary Fund said.
The government announced last week that the nation, one of the world’s poorest, would become the second to
adopt the cryptocurrency after El Salvador. The decision drew criticism from opposition parties and was made
without consulting the regional central bank, which manages a common currency used by six countries including the Central African Republic.

Read: Central Bank Caught Unaware as African Nation Endorses Bitcoin

“The adoption of Bitcoin as legal tender in C.A.R. raises major legal, transparency, and economic policy challenges,”
the fund said in an emailed response to questions. “IMF staff are assisting the regional and Central African
Republic’s authorities in addressing the concerns posed by the new law.”
The government said that adopting Bitcoin as a legal tender will spur CAR’s economic recovery and growth, while also helping stabilize the country, which has been wracked by a decade-long civil war.
The $2.3 billion economy, which the African Development Bank forecasts will expand 5.1% this year, ranks 188 out of 189 in the United Nations Development Programme’s Human Development Index. The nation has low life
expectancy and extreme poverty, with just 557,000 of its 4.8 million people having access to the Internet.

To contact the reporter on this story:
Loni Prinsloo in Johannesburg at [email protected]
To contact the editors responsible for this story:
Benjamin Harvey at [email protected]
Paul Richardson, Arijit Ghosh


Poor thing. They want to have the monopoly to the distinctions of sovereign nations.
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While a lot are not really that excited about this development, this is still good news. While even Bitcoin supporters are showing skepticism about the declaration of Bitcoin as a legal tender by one of the poorest countries in the world, this is still adoption and growth.

This seems to be the kind of news which even Bitcoin detractors and critics would easily shrug or even laugh off in dismissal as worthless. Oh, well, Bitcoin and its growth have always been underestimated.


https://twitter.com/CharlieShrem/status/1404622102473457668/photo/1
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To be honest, I see neither of those too negative, but more or less realistic. CAR has an enormous amount of problems, starting from their poor infrastructure (you will have issues paying with bitcoin in the country where ~90% of the people don't have electricity and Internet access), ongoing civil war to the fact that they are one of the poorest countries in the world where many people can't even afford food on the regular basis and if you are on a very tight budget even a slight change in bitcoin price might affect you greatly.

So yeah, I am extremely skeptical when it comes to CAR and their capability to implement bitcoin payment. Hell, their government doesn't even control their own country and is in power only due foreign mercenaries that are protecting them from the rebels. Its very easy to pass a law, but its a completely different thing to successfully implement it.

Well.. I could agree. One thing that I know about CAR is that the country has been embroiled in a civil war for the last many years. Very frequently I hear about Wagner mercenaries from Russia fighting for the government (payments to Wagner are being made in gold, as CAR is abundant in gold deposits). In El Salvador, the implementation was relatively easier, because almost everyone had a smartphone and access to internet. CAR lags behind in this parameter, as hundreds of thousands of people have been made homeless as a result of the war.
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