Topic: Bitcoin Nation - page 3. (Read 10505 times)
If bitcoin is going to move the world it has to be worth enough to, well, move the world. Thousands/coin is not going to do that. Not even tens of thousands. It's millions or bust for world change. I'd be fine with just making a tidy profit too of course, but the more the better.
How many people are really really wanting to do this?
If bitcoin goes to one million? I'd dump a few into it, at least. Less than that and it's not really realistic.The only thing not being realistic is you
If they were 1 million each it would only take like 2000 bitcoins to do this Plus create a standing army
That's not a lot of bitcoins at all And if we are going to do this we will need at least 1000 people And I expect that they will need more than 2 bitcoins each realistically and that would be easy to achieve realistically even if bitcoins were $5000 each Because again needing like 1000+ people means we would have a lot of people putting stuff in together
"Let's start our own country" is completely impossible for anyone who isn't, first, willing to point heavy weapons at someone else's face and pull the triggers, and second, surrounded by compatriots also willing to do so.
You're wrong
Look up the recently created internet nation of Lovely You can even become a citizen
How many people are really really wanting to do this?
If bitcoin goes to one million? I'd dump a few into it, at least. Less than that and it's not really realistic.
Hell, I've been giggling since the idea was brought up.
"Let's start our own country" is completely impossible for anyone who isn't, first, willing to point heavy weapons at someone else's face and pull the triggers, and second, surrounded by compatriots also willing to do so.
Since we've seen no evidence of hardcore sociopaths here, and the supply of people whose entire families have been murdered etc by the people they'd have to kill (or otherwise 'radicalized' revolutionaries) seems near zero, it's pretty clear that nobody here is going to start a country.
"Let's start our own country" is completely impossible for anyone who isn't, first, willing to point heavy weapons at someone else's face and pull the triggers, and second, surrounded by compatriots also willing to do so.
Since we've seen no evidence of hardcore sociopaths here, and the supply of people whose entire families have been murdered etc by the people they'd have to kill (or otherwise 'radicalized' revolutionaries) seems near zero, it's pretty clear that nobody here is going to start a country.
How many people are really really wanting to do this?
If the bitcoin nation became a nation of research, development, discovery, recovery, reconstruction and charity then no one would attack it and everyone would protect it
Please, no!
It's one of bitcoin's greatest asset that it is outside all nations and countries, please don't build a new one. Bitcoin shall not be used to create a new nation, but to destroy all the existing ones. Who needs a nation?
It's one of bitcoin's greatest asset that it is outside all nations and countries, please don't build a new one. Bitcoin shall not be used to create a new nation, but to destroy all the existing ones. Who needs a nation?
everyone
some people look at anarchy as the lack of nations, i prefer to look at it as having 7billion of them.
Also we could come in after natural disasters and offer homes to anyone that would like to come aboard Ex: Katrina and other Hurricanes, Tsunamis etc
It would make news the first few times then it would just be the way the world worked after a short time
It would make news the first few times then it would just be the way the world worked after a short time
Here it is
Embassy: A diplomatic mission is a group of people from one state or an international inter-governmental organisation (such as the United Nations or Bitcoin) present in another state to represent the sending state/organisation officially in the receiving state. In practice, a diplomatic mission usually denotes the resident mission, namely the office of a country's diplomatic representatives in the capital city of another country. As well as being a diplomatic mission to the country in which it is situated, it may also be a non-resident permanent mission to one or more other countries. There are thus resident and non-resident embassies
Nation State:The nation state is a state that self-identifies as deriving its political legitimacy from serving as a sovereign entity for a nation as a sovereign territorial unit.[1] The state is a political and geopolitical entity; the nation is a cultural and/or ethnic entity. The term "nation state" implies that the two geographically coincide. Nation state formation took place at different times in different parts of the world, but has become the dominant form of state organization.
The concept and actuality of the nation state can be compared and contrasted with that of the multinational state, city state,[2][3][4] empire, confederation, and other state forms with which it may overlap. The key distinction from the other forms is the identification of a people with a polity.
Nation State:The nation state is a state that self-identifies as deriving its political legitimacy from serving as a sovereign entity for a nation as a sovereign territorial unit.[1] The state is a political and geopolitical entity; the nation is a cultural and/or ethnic entity. The term "nation state" implies that the two geographically coincide. Nation state formation took place at different times in different parts of the world, but has become the dominant form of state organization.
The concept and actuality of the nation state can be compared and contrasted with that of the multinational state, city state,[2][3][4] empire, confederation, and other state forms with which it may overlap. The key distinction from the other forms is the identification of a people with a polity.
Not true. Cosa Nostra grey market economy is second biggest economy in Italy. True, they avoid taxes, but much of what they sell is not strictly illegal (they do make counterfeit things), and they actually earn a lot of money to support themselves without parasiting on government.
Cosa Nostra gets more than 50% of their revenue from extortion. Most of the remaining comes from smuggling illegal immigrants, illegally dumping rubbish, and female trafficking.
There is better, or at least simpler option. One that does not require anyone to move. Look at how Cosa Nostra and Yakuza function. They live in same country as everyone else, but they are effectively their own people and their own nation, with their own economy and services.
Strictly speaking, they don't have their own economy which is at least able to support itself. They parasitize on the economy they happen to live in (through not paying taxes, engaging in forbidden activities, etc). I don't think this is a characteristic that most bicoiners would love to share...
Not true. Cosa Nostra grey market economy is second biggest economy in Italy. True, they avoid taxes, but much of what they sell is not strictly illegal (they do make counterfeit things), and they actually earn a lot of money to support themselves without parasiting on government. They themselves are the economy they live in, which is strong and developed enough that if Italy economy and government collapsed, southern Italy would still be fine. Their main service is private security and arbitration/negotiation, so they provide many functions that normally government provides. If bitcoin people wish to form such a nation, they would not need to do illegal things like gangs do, such as killing, selling drugs, and causing violence. But that you wish to form a nation tells me that there is something you wish to do that is not allowed (is illegal) to do where you live. That is why I suggested we study the organizations that already do things that are illegal to do where they live, but they still thrive while doing it.
(People Nation gang is bad example, because they are small, not well established, and just fight each other and police, while Cosa Nostra is very well established and respected, even by law enforcement).
a Nuclear aircraft carrier might be a good initial base to expand from.
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
Most pirate bands have no guns and many that do have guns don't have many bullets or just have 1 gun So defense from pirates is not as big an issue any more unless you plan on going from port to port Because then you can't have guns on your ship But since we don't plan on docking anywhere we can have a small arsenal to defend from pirates And slowly develop a cheap long range defense like catapults or something but we don't want to start training snipers or anything just in case they get bored and turn their scope on the ship for a half hour while everyone tries to disarm them Having the rifles is not a bad idea but specializing someone for nothing but that is not a good idea
I was thinking more protection from other GOVERNMENTS.
UN or USA being the most dangerous to any Libertarian style community.
and wasn't thinking just "guns" as a method of protection, negotiations treaties various weapons, support from the "right country", laws ETC.
a Nuclear aircraft carrier might be a good initial base to expand from.
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
Most pirate bands have no guns and many that do have guns don't have many bullets or just have 1 gun So defense from pirates is not as big an issue any more unless you plan on going from port to port Because then you can't have guns on your ship But since we don't plan on docking anywhere we can have a small arsenal to defend from pirates And slowly develop a cheap long range defense like catapults or something but we don't want to start training snipers or anything just in case they get bored and turn their scope on the ship for a half hour while everyone tries to disarm them Having the rifles is not a bad idea but specializing someone for nothing but that is not a good idea
a Nuclear aircraft carrier might be a good initial base to expand from.
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Before torturing yourself with such questions, better ask yourself where you are going to get that nuclear aircraft carrier and who is going to sell it to you in the first place...
a Nuclear aircraft carrier might be a good initial base to expand from.
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
of course, a way to flag it, or protect it is the critical question.
but all questions have answers, just some are super complicated.
Flagged by a any Nation initially, then.........
anybody read The Moon is a Harsh Mistress?"
the Moon began as an Earth colony, then found out how to protect itself,
some things just take a long time to evolve,
the nay sayers on this subject, would have been the same nay sayers decades ago telling us that there can be no such thing as a FREE CURRENCY internationally used not controlled by any Government................
Couldn't a floating island include some sort of wave-breaking outer shell for big waves? Would it even be needed given the size of such a thing? Not talking tiny little sailboats here after all.
I'm thinking #2 but wave breaking tech could be cheap and useful
There is better, or at least simpler option. One that does not require anyone to move. Look at how Cosa Nostra and Yakuza function. They live in same country as everyone else, but they are effectively their own people and their own nation, with their own economy and services.
Strictly speaking, they don't have their own economy which is at least able to support itself. They parasitize on the economy they happen to live in (through not paying taxes, engaging in forbidden activities, etc). I don't think this is a characteristic that most bicoiners would love to share...
Exactly If anyone has a structure we would want to emulate I'd say the Hebrews and Freemasons are the best to follow
Instead of being bound to each other because of the crimes we potentially commit together we will be bound by blood over time Which is legal and much longer lasting
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