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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2013, 02:55:15 AM

Quote from: deisik on December 11, 2013, 02:11:15 AM

And you will have to pay toll on a regular bases to all those tribes that are fighting between themselves for centuries there. The best place with security and safety in mind is Antarctica.

Lol.. even for going there you will need special permits. Not possible at all.

If you decide to secede, you leave the jurisdiction of municipal law and become in a sense a subject of the international legal system just like, say, the Holy See. So you wouldn't actually need to obtain special permits from your government (if that was your point) since it is no longer your government...

As an alternative, you can drift somewhere in the international waters

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Quote from: deisik on December 11, 2013, 02:11:15 AM

And you will have to pay toll on a regular bases to all those tribes that are fighting between themselves for centuries there. The best place with security and safety in mind is Antarctica.

Lol.. even for going there you will need special permits. Not possible at all.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 10, 2013, 11:40:32 PM

The Pitcairns are administered by the British. And they'll kick your a$$ if you try to create a micro-nation there. Same with Nauru. It is controlled by the USA (although by proxy). Both Pitcairn and Nauru will deport you in a matter of minutes if the FBI issues a warrant against you.

I recommend bribing some African dictator and creating a semi-micronation somewhere in Sub Saharan Africa.

And you will have to pay toll on a regular basis to all those tribes that are fighting between themselves for centuries there. The best place with security and safety in mind is Antarctica. It is officially neutral, doesn't belong to any state (though some are claiming) and has no government. Also, you can make friends with penguins living there (Tux the Penguin being the official mascot of Linux)...

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Quote from: other_side on December 10, 2013, 10:46:20 PM

You don't need to purchase anything. You can easily move to Pitcairn and become head of a state. It has open immigration, no taxes.
The other possible location is Nauru.
The creation of "all legal" tourist destination is long overdue.

The Pitcairns are administered by the British. And they'll kick your a$$ if you try to create a micro-nation there. Same with Nauru. It is controlled by the USA (although by proxy). Both Pitcairn and Nauru will deport you in a matter of minutes if the FBI issues a warrant against you.

I recommend bribing some African dictator and creating a semi-micronation somewhere in Sub Saharan Africa.

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Quote from: coastermonger on December 09, 2013, 05:02:23 PM

1.) Is it likely that BTC users could purchase a small amount of land from a country crippled in debt?
2.) What would be the prime locations?
3.) How would issues such as taxation work?

You don't need to purchase anything. You can easily move to Pitcairn and become head of a state. It has open immigration, no taxes.
The other possible location is Nauru.
The creation of "all legal" tourist destination is long overdue.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 10, 2013, 02:34:36 AM

The idea of micro-nations have been tried before and has failed every time. No country will give a part of its territory away, no matter how poor it is. The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi even offered to pay $2 billion for just a few hectares of land, but even the poorest nations rejected his offer.

Even if some third world country is ready to part with its territory, no other UN member will recognize the micro-nation.

Well, by definition, the UN wouldn't accept it. But that's fine. The UN exists to serve countries. If you don't believe in countries, makes your pretty much incompatible with the ideals of the UN.

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Quote from: deisik on December 10, 2013, 12:18:47 PM

Quote from: Ibian on December 10, 2013, 02:29:38 AM

Been thinking about the same thing. Maybe something like an artificial floating island, possibly a huge ship-city that can sail around the world as needed. With an airport for easy travel and obviously easy to anchor a personal boat to it for those so inclined. We would have to import everything this way, but we can afford to and it would also mean that other nations benefit from us since they would be making money.

Something like that one?

Something less ugly, for one thing. Less tall, more wide so as to actually be able to float.

One of the important things is aesthetics. It has to be nice to live there.

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Quote from: Cryddit on December 10, 2013, 12:56:10 PM

If you ever needed proof that the Discovery Channel employs no one who can do math and doesn't bother fact-checking, there it is. This thing has been around for years and gotten no closer to construction.

Actually, I know this and agree with all that you say about this scam. Just thought that the image was appropriate for the purposes of reviving the discussion...

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If you ever needed proof that the Discovery Channel employs no one who can do math and doesn't bother fact-checking, there it is. This thing has been around for years and gotten no closer to construction.

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Quote from: Cryddit on December 10, 2013, 12:42:57 PM

That's not a building, that's a render. The "Freedom Ship" initiative collected several USD$million and failed to build anything. Most people agree it was a scam.

Naval architects, looking at the proposed size of the darn thing, were pretty unanimous in their "Why are people giving these idiots money to build something that can't exist?" response -- mostly because the ocean has swells miles long that greatly exceed the proposed height of the vessel, meaning it would be an unsupported spar between wave crests - and at the proposed size/mass, we can't build anything capable of supporting itself on that big a span. So, it would break up.

It seems that it is still afloat (no pun intended)...

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 10, 2013, 12:35:13 PM

Quote from: deisik on December 10, 2013, 12:18:47 PM

Something like that one?

That building is anchored in the ocean bed. But such shallow areas are not available for us. Floating islands are the only option.

They say that it will travel the globe and would circle the Earth every two years, spending roughly 70 percent of its time moored outside major cities and ports. Since it will be too large to go in most harbours, it will have its own airport on the top deck to enable passengers to arrive and depart by air...

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That's not a building, that's a render. The "Freedom Ship" initiative collected several USD$million and failed to build anything. Most people agree it was a scam.

Naval architects, looking at the proposed size of the darn thing, were pretty unanimous in their "Why are people giving these idiots money to build something that can't exist?" response -- mostly because the ocean has swells miles long that greatly exceed the proposed height of the vessel, meaning it would be an unsupported spar between wave crests - and at the proposed size/mass, we can't build anything capable of supporting itself on that big a span. So, it would break up.

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Quote from: deisik on December 10, 2013, 12:18:47 PM

Something like that one?

That building is anchored in the ocean bed. But such shallow areas are not available for us. Floating islands are the only option.

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Quote from: Ibian on December 10, 2013, 02:29:38 AM

Been thinking about the same thing. Maybe something like an artificial floating island, possibly a huge ship-city that can sail around the world as needed. With an airport for easy travel and obviously easy to anchor a personal boat to it for those so inclined. We would have to import everything this way, but we can afford to and it would also mean that other nations benefit from us since they would be making money.

Something like that one?

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In Satoshi I Trust

lets choose a warm island for that Cheesy

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 10, 2013, 06:10:24 AM

Quote from: Ibian on December 10, 2013, 03:55:04 AM

Hence the artificial floating city-ship in international waters. Nobody would have to give up land. Doesn't even have to be an official nation, just an independent community.

I don't know whether the world police (i.e the US) will allow that. And additionally, the ship-nation will be extremely dependent on the outside world for even the basic amenities (food, clothes.etc).

For food at least there is fishery. Anything else, yes we would have to import unless we can somehow mine raw materials out of the ocean floor? But importing is a good thing so far as being left alone, nobody wants to cut off a steady money supply provided it's big enough. As for the US, they won't be in control for much longer and even if we did it right now, we could make a deal with China or Russia or some other large enough nation to pay them to guard us.

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Quote from: Ibian on December 10, 2013, 03:55:04 AM

Hence the artificial floating city-ship in international waters. Nobody would have to give up land. Doesn't even have to be an official nation, just an independent community.

I don't know whether the world police (i.e the US) will allow that. And additionally, the ship-nation will be extremely dependent on the outside world for even the basic amenities (food, clothes.etc).

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Most likely a seasteading community

But yes, it is a distinct possibility

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Hence the artificial floating city-ship in international waters. Nobody would have to give up land. Doesn't even have to be an official nation, just an independent community.

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The idea of micro-nations have been tried before and has failed every time. No country will give a part of its territory away, no matter how poor it is. The Maharishi Mahesh Yogi even offered to pay $2 billion for just a few hectares of land, but even the poorest nations rejected his offer.

Even if some third world country is ready to part with its territory, no other UN member will recognize the micro-nation.

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