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Topic: Bitcoin trending down. Dogecoin trending up. (Read 5856 times)

legendary
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Beyond Imagination
February 17, 2014, 11:46:07 PM
#90
I heard that doge just had a fork, what happened since then?  Wink
newbie
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February 17, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
#89
The value of bitcoin could tank or it could go further up, the same as Dogecoin, the future is undetermined. So the common phrase, "don't put all your eggs in one basket" rings true for me here. Considering that Dogecoin is a small investment in comparison to bitcoin, it certainly appears less risky, a small amount of money could potentially give hefty gains later on, if not no big deal. I believe this is the mentality of alot of people buying into dogecoin right now.

This is absolutely, one-hundred precent, in your head.

Care to elaborate?
donator
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Let's talk governance, lipstick, and pigs.
February 17, 2014, 06:41:54 PM
#88
Doge is the Jerry Lewis of coins. Nobody takes it seriously. It is always considered a sidekick to Bitcoin. Nobody thinks it's funny anymore, except the French.


*Apologies to Mr. Lewis, I still think he's a little funny, but I'm half-French.
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Stand on the shoulders of giants
February 17, 2014, 04:41:37 PM
#87
I still betting in doge marketing, but 2 things makes me uncomfortable... wealth distribution, miners reward.

Regards google apple stokes/mak.cap .. ask your self why  theses stokes is about $1000 and microsoft is $37 ..
legendary
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February 17, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
#86
The value of bitcoin could tank or it could go further up, the same as Dogecoin, the future is undetermined. So the common phrase, "don't put all your eggs in one basket" rings true for me here. Considering that Dogecoin is a small investment in comparison to bitcoin, it certainly appears less risky, a small amount of money could potentially give hefty gains later on, if not no big deal. I believe this is the mentality of alot of people buying into dogecoin right now.

This is absolutely, one-hundred precent, in your head.
member
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February 17, 2014, 04:19:28 PM
#85
I refuse to believe that an individual named Satoshi who wrote a computer program to basically copy a system that was already in place (a digital payment system via bank apps, paypal, etc. etc.) is going to change the way money is exchanged in the future.  There are far too many more powerful people who will be taking that role.  Sorry Satoshi.  Sorry investors. 

It's posts like this that make it almost impossible to tell whether it's the work of an ultra-troll, or someone that's been paying so little attention to the situation that it's almost unbelievable.

Copy a system that was already in place? gtfo. You're either trolling for a rise, or you're just completely clueless.

Far too many more powerful people who will be taking that role? Bitcoin's trading value may tank, it may be regulated out of existence, etc., but you just clearly don't understand the bitcoin model.
hero member
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Moderator
February 17, 2014, 03:52:59 PM
#84
A doge thread without meme ain´t worth shit!
GO DOGE GO!!!!

legendary
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dafar consulting
February 17, 2014, 03:49:08 PM
#83

Doge coin has no cap, it will be subject to inflation based on the new specs, no more 100 billion limit. But it is far from a joke, it is becoming very successful in its own way. The devs themselves said that they are not trying to have it compete with serious investment coins like bitcoin, they want to keep the price low and stable so it can become a popular tipping utility on the internet, and that's exactly where it's going.

Lol at OP saying bitcoin can't be valued at $10,000... there are only 21million coins, it doesn't have a price limit until it replaces all of global wealth.

Lol at paper currency disappearing and all fiat becoming digital... yeah ok good luck shifting everyone over to that plan within our lifetime. No internet = no form of payment.

I'm no expert financial adviser or anything of the sort....

Why do you even bother posting financial stuff? <--retorical

I hold a stake in both bitcoin and dogecoin and it interests me.  I'm just trying offer my speculation and I knew that it wasn't going to be popular because my speculation is bitcoin is trending down.  I get the feeling from reading around here for some time that  people expect that it's going to bounce back up to the $1200 and continue on up "to the moon" as you like to say.  I just don't see it.  If Apple's stock or Google's stock or Facebook's stock isn't worth $10,000 a share I don't see any reason why bitcoin should be worth $10,000 a coin.  Wishful thinking IMO.

Have you ever heard of stock splitting? Lol at comparing google shares to bitcoin's price like it's apples to apples. First of all Apple and Google's market cap is far greater than bitcoin's... and that will probably change
because a GLOBAL currency should have a higher market cap than a company.
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February 17, 2014, 03:14:51 PM
#82

So you've managed to read the headline! Congrats! Much wow!

Did you read the news? The clone has issues with a bug fixed a year ago by bitcoin Smiley))))))))))

Trust these guys? devs? LMAO
https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/issues/250
Even a duck fight is more productive

Thankfully bitcoin doesn't have any bugs. 
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
February 17, 2014, 02:33:28 PM
#81

So you've managed to read the headline! Congrats! Much wow!

Did you read the news? The clone has issues with a bug fixed a year ago by bitcoin Smiley))))))))))

Trust these guys? devs? LMAO
https://github.com/dogecoin/dogecoin/issues/250
Even a duck fight is more productive
full member
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February 17, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
#80

So you've managed to read the headline! Congrats! Much wow!
newbie
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February 17, 2014, 02:06:03 PM
#79
I've read all these replies, and to be honest there's alot of speculation here being touted as fact. No one knows the future, I mean how likely did it seem for bitcoin to be worth the amount it is right now in the beginning? I remember back when people were under the impression that it had no inherent value, which is plausible because it's not backed by anything of real worth; yet, it's value increased solely by virtue of the value people attached to it.

The value of bitcoin could tank or it could go further up, the same as Dogecoin, the future is undetermined. So the common phrase, "don't put all your eggs in one basket" rings true for me here. Considering that Dogecoin is a small investment in comparison to bitcoin, it certainly appears less risky, a small amount of money could potentially give hefty gains later on, if not no big deal. I believe this is the mentality of alot of people buying into dogecoin right now.

Lastly, I personally see Dogecoin and Bitcoin as two completely different markets. Bitcoin with its emphasis on limited supply gives the impression of a store of value somewhat akin to gold hoarders. Whereas DogeCoin with its yearly increase in supply will rather act as a currency people will be willing to use and transact with on a daily basis much like regular fiat currency.  Both have their pros and cons...


legendary
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Blackjack.fun
February 17, 2014, 01:12:20 PM
#78
Doge doesn't have to be 'the winner', it just needs to form a niche and be useful to achieve a value of a penny or more. Moving value around quickly and cheaply is the whole point to this, no? or are you naive enough to think bitcoin will create a transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people? please.

I'm having a hard time keeping up with your point here...

We must have been thinking of two completely different problems when you asked about Bitcoin and Dogecoin referring to the problems that one could solve absent the other...

I hope Doge does get a niche, and I hope plenty of people can prosper from it. People can learn about the "ease of use" with Dogecoin because they can just toss it around without feeling any remorse and then graduate into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin might not win the currency race, but you can guarantee whatever currency prevails will be a better "transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people" as you put it. The roots within that statement are the most powerful human force on Earth. You can be very sure that people will choose to use whichever contender suits that purpose the best.
Quote from 'Wallstreet' "the rich have been sticking it to the poor since the beginning of time." Bitcoin isn't going to change that, sorry. By the time we have a crypto as the world currency you can bet the same bastards who own everything now will own that.

And you think doge coin will bring equilibrium and wealth redistribution.
Top 100 Richest Addresses    22,185,998,666 DOGE ($31,353,896 USD) 43.45% Total
Top 100 Richest Addresses    2,634,329 BTC ($1,681,655,602 USD) 21.24% Total


The situation will get even worse over time.  Doge was designed with an incredibly steep subsidy drop off.  50% of coins were mined in the first month.  75% will be mined in the first couple months.  99%+ in the first year.   Someone getting involve in doge in 2015 would be like someone getting involved in Bitcoin in 2108.    The first block subsidy was up to 1M coins (random).  Less than a year later it will be a fixed 1 coin.  

Well , I can't agree with you on the last thing.
The doge creator is known for not having a clue about what the variables were supposed to mean. He has mistaken those for months and suddenly decided that is better with an uncapped coin rather than a capped one , like he originally thought he has created.
With this , and the amount of hardforks this coin gets , i'm sure that by 2015 we will have more than 5 trilions doge and a 10% inflation , to please the crowd , more coins such wow etc.
donator
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Gerald Davis
February 17, 2014, 01:07:49 PM
#77
Doge doesn't have to be 'the winner', it just needs to form a niche and be useful to achieve a value of a penny or more. Moving value around quickly and cheaply is the whole point to this, no? or are you naive enough to think bitcoin will create a transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people? please.

I'm having a hard time keeping up with your point here...

We must have been thinking of two completely different problems when you asked about Bitcoin and Dogecoin referring to the problems that one could solve absent the other...

I hope Doge does get a niche, and I hope plenty of people can prosper from it. People can learn about the "ease of use" with Dogecoin because they can just toss it around without feeling any remorse and then graduate into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin might not win the currency race, but you can guarantee whatever currency prevails will be a better "transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people" as you put it. The roots within that statement are the most powerful human force on Earth. You can be very sure that people will choose to use whichever contender suits that purpose the best.
Quote from 'Wallstreet' "the rich have been sticking it to the poor since the beginning of time." Bitcoin isn't going to change that, sorry. By the time we have a crypto as the world currency you can bet the same bastards who own everything now will own that.

And you think doge coin will bring equilibrium and wealth redistribution.
Top 100 Richest Addresses    22,185,998,666 DOGE ($31,353,896 USD) 43.45% Total
Top 100 Richest Addresses    2,634,329 BTC ($1,681,655,602 USD) 21.24% Total


The situation will get even worse over time.  Doge was designed with an incredibly steep subsidy drop off.  50% of coins were mined in the first month.  75% will be mined in the first couple months.  99%+ in the first year.   Someone getting involve in doge in 2015 would be like someone getting involved in Bitcoin in 2108.    The first block subsidy was up to 1M coins (random).  Less than a year later it will be a fixed 1 coin. 
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
February 17, 2014, 01:06:29 PM
#76
I'll ask again. What problem does *Bitcoin* solve that Doge does not?

It isn't that Bitcoin solves a different problem it is that is solves it better.

How many merchants accept Bitcoin, how many accept Doge?
How many well run, highly capitalized solution providers like BitPay are building infrastructure around Bitcoin?  How many around doge?

There is something called the network effect and no passing a few pennies between users isn't a network effect.  Bitcoin is still in the infancy but the number of merchants willing to accept it is growing.  As long as it is growing the network effect will grow with it.  When an Overstock, Wordpress, or even Kongregate starts accepting Doge you might have a point.

Your logical fallacy would be like me inventing a totally incompatible cellphone called a dogephone and this dogephone could only be used to call other people who have dogephones.  Right now 99.99999999999999999% of the people on the planet have no interest in getting a dogephone because their cellphone works just fine.  When you point that out to me I say "what problem does a cellphone solve that Dogephone does not?"



Loved that.
Besides , I would think we should focus more on the problem that doge creates , transforming the whole crypto system in a laughing joke.
Bitcoin has just got ridden of a lot of ponzi scheme and drug coin accusation , and now , this. Sad((
donator
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Gerald Davis
February 17, 2014, 01:03:25 PM
#75
I'll ask again. What problem does *Bitcoin* solve that Doge does not?

It isn't that Bitcoin solves a different problem it is that is solves it better.

How many merchants accept Bitcoin, how many accept Doge?  How many well run, highly capitalized solution providers like BitPay are building infrastructure around Bitcoin?  How many around doge?  Building large scalable businesses requires capital.  How many private equity offering for companies that build Bitcoin related services have happened vs doge?  I think you get the point.

There is something called the network effect and no passing a few pennies between users isn't a network effect.  Bitcoin is still in the infancy but the number of merchants willing to accept it is growing.  As long as it is growing the network effect will grow with it.  When an Overstock, Wordpress, or even Kongregate starts accepting Doge you might have a point.  Does this mean Bitcoin is the one currency to rule them all? No.  I think it is possible superior alternatives will either co-exist or replace Bitcoin but they will need to be truly superior alternatives.

Your logical fallacy would be like me inventing a totally incompatible cellphone called a dogephone and this dogephone works just like a cellphone except the only people you can call is other people who have a dogephone.  Most of the people on the planet, have no interest in getting a dogephone because their cellphone works just fine.  When you point that out to me I say "what problem does a cellphone solve that Dogephone does not?"  It is a logical fallacy because while the answer may be none, it is a completely meaningless answer.
legendary
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February 17, 2014, 01:02:33 PM
#74
No, I don't have those aspirations about any crypto - you do. Now I'm really done with this, let's just see what happens and report back a year from now.
legendary
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Blackjack.fun
February 17, 2014, 01:00:05 PM
#73
Doge doesn't have to be 'the winner', it just needs to form a niche and be useful to achieve a value of a penny or more. Moving value around quickly and cheaply is the whole point to this, no? or are you naive enough to think bitcoin will create a transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people? please.

I'm having a hard time keeping up with your point here...

We must have been thinking of two completely different problems when you asked about Bitcoin and Dogecoin referring to the problems that one could solve absent the other...

I hope Doge does get a niche, and I hope plenty of people can prosper from it. People can learn about the "ease of use" with Dogecoin because they can just toss it around without feeling any remorse and then graduate into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin might not win the currency race, but you can guarantee whatever currency prevails will be a better "transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people" as you put it. The roots within that statement are the most powerful human force on Earth. You can be very sure that people will choose to use whichever contender suits that purpose the best.
Quote from 'Wallstreet' "the rich have been sticking it to the poor since the beginning of time." Bitcoin isn't going to change that, sorry. By the time we have a crypto as the world currency you can bet the same bastards who own everything now will own that.

And you think doge coin will bring equilibrium and wealth redistribution.
Top 100 Richest Addresses    22,185,998,666 DOGE ($31,353,896 USD) 43.45% Total
Top 100 Richest Addresses    2,634,329 BTC ($1,681,655,602 USD) 21.24% Total
legendary
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February 17, 2014, 12:57:28 PM
#72
Doge doesn't have to be 'the winner', it just needs to form a niche and be useful to achieve a value of a penny or more. Moving value around quickly and cheaply is the whole point to this, no? or are you naive enough to think bitcoin will create a transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people? please.

I'm having a hard time keeping up with your point here...

We must have been thinking of two completely different problems when you asked about Bitcoin and Dogecoin referring to the problems that one could solve absent the other...

I hope Doge does get a niche, and I hope plenty of people can prosper from it. People can learn about the "ease of use" with Dogecoin because they can just toss it around without feeling any remorse and then graduate into Bitcoin.

Bitcoin might not win the currency race, but you can guarantee whatever currency prevails will be a better "transfer of wealth and freedom back into the hands of the people" as you put it. The roots within that statement are the most powerful human force on Earth. You can be very sure that people will choose to use whichever contender suits that purpose the best.
Quote from 'Wallstreet' "the rich have been sticking it to the poor since the beginning of time." Bitcoin isn't going to change that, sorry. By the time we have a crypto as the world currency you can bet the same bastards who own everything now will own that.
Basically I give btc a very small shot at being worth $10k someday, I give Doge a bigger chance to reach a penny. Doge does not need btc to succeed, fiat currency and doge will trade easily soon. That's all, I'm done with this discussion - Doge may be worthless in a couple months but I really doubt it - if it is I'll mine the next harmless but useful coin that takes it's place.
legendary
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