Topic: Bitcoin vs. War: Can Bitcoin Reduce Wars? - page 2. (Read 15747 times)

This is true. Religion has been at least one factor in every war in history and has been a major factor in most wars. Bitcoin potentially replacing fiat is not going to change this

bitcoin will never make any war to any country at least untill now IMO

i think most of the war is causes by the oil and occupation of the region also that have oil inside its soil   

Most wars are actually caused by and revolve around religion. Even with the lack of money, or the lack of potentially gaining some additional resource many wars that the world has seen would have still taken place.

The same thing was said about human slavery. It existed in almost every society and all of human history. Does it still exist today, yes, but is mostly eliminated for social and economic reasons.
Will humans always remain selfish and have violent tendencies... sure. Will battles always exist and wars, sure.

Can Bitcoin help reduce the prevalence of wars and/or make them shorter? I think so, and to not acknowledge as much ignores how much of war is funded.

Does bitcoin make it easier or harder for the state or a violent gangster to steal from you than fiat? If Bitcoin is easier to steal than fiat than it should encourage war, if it is more difficult to steal directly or indirectly than it should reduce wars.

Wars are profitable for a few people because they are allowed to socialize the costs through theft. Make their job more difficult and wars will have to be funded through other, less efficient means. Simply spending the money and letting debt and inflation pay a large expense of a war is the most efficient means of funding the war there is.

Let me put it in the context of cryptocurrencies to help you understand :
Fiat is akin to a POS alt where a few large stakeholders can increase the amount of coins at a moments whim and spend those coins thus passing on the costs of the war onto every stakeholder through dilution.
In order to raise funds with bitcoin miners have to spend almost as much on electricity and hardware to raise funds to pay for war which is much less efficient.

 

As long as root of evil - money - of any kind exists in our world Wars are meant to happen. Nothing will change it. If you can gain something there will be war.

I agree on that..!! greed is a part of animals.. Its really hard to subdue it.!! as long as greed is there...Wars will happen..now or in the future.!

The EU members that are part of  the Nato force there were involved in combat operations.Germany and France for  instance sent armour and combat  aircraft and both have been used against Taliban forces.

There is already something that reduces the propensity and scale of wars,it's called a democratically elected government( even work on the USA).Any wars that are launched by such entities without  the consent of its citizen will not last long.The wars currently been waged are supported by their own people. 

I'm not misreading your comment, I'm disagreeing with them.At least with regards to current wars.

http://www.isaf.nato.int/troop-numbers-and-contributions/index.php

Doesn't look like EU countries who adopted the Euro are contributing many resources to Afghanistan.

Perhaps you are misreading my comments to suggest that Bitcoin can eliminate war and not simply reduce the propensity and scale of wars?

I highly doubt it'd happen.  It's a nice idea and a great HOPE for it, but honestly....prob won't come about in our generation at least

To answer you question:most definitive yes

You do realise that member of the EU are a part of the war on terror right?Most of them have soldiers fighting in Afghanistan not to mention other smaller engagement(commando/air strikes etc) .

If you want full blow invasion like Afghanistan and Iraq, give any of them  enough incentives like a terror attack by suspected foreign agents or something like "Falklands 2.0".Currently even the USA is trepidated  on starting a new war (mainly due to Iraq).

I think Bitcoin can help lower wars. 

The truth is, we won't know for sure until it happens.

As long as human beings are conditioned and controlled by the ego, there will always be war. No asset/money/technology can stop this, unless its a brain chip that would shut down the ego and make you realize we are all but one. Now that would be something to look forward to, though hopefully we wont need the chip

OR

You can start from the a new group of children and teach them the wrong ways of war and hope that the new generation seeks alternative methods. I mean the Chinese and the dutch peacefully traded with the american Indians LONG LONG before Columbus "founded" America, yet one resulted in mass genocide, rape, torture and war  and the other in a fair partnership. So perhaps the problem are not ALL people but rather what drives their mind.

Fair point, but have any of these countries launched a significant military attack since adopting the Euro? If they haven't, than isn't this supporting my statements?

This is not true. Just look at the EU. The individual countries do not control the currency (the Euro) however they do not have any issues collecting taxes when it is due.

I really don't see Bitcoin solving this problem, unfortunately.

Interesting stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Taxes is only one method countries fund wars and one which will be increasingly difficult to collect if they don't control their currency.
Sure States will still find ways to pay for wars with VAT and sales taxes even if income taxes are more difficult to obtain, but funding wars
will be more difficult if they either have to raise taxes or sell bonds vs simply spending more.

Thus, certain wars won't be initiated, and others will be shorter and more targeted.

Here is an analogy:
Right now states have a salary they receive to accomplish an assortment of tasks. They also have a "credit card" that has no limit that they always use to help fund wars. They will continue to use and have this credit card no matter what , even if a large percentage of their population uses Bitcoin instead of their currency. Their interest rates and credit rating on their "credit card" are directly tied to the amount of insurance they have which is directly associated to the popularity of their currency over bitcoin. If they choose to run up their "credit card" without enough insurance backing them than they run a risk that their interests rates(inflation) increase to a point that less people support them and the spending power to pay for war decreases significantly.

In other words, inflation is merely another tax used to pay for wars that is imposed upon anyone who uses their currency and the more people using their currency the more taxes are brought in to pay for wars.

"Can Bitcoin Reduce Wars?" Maybe, but causing cyber war, it certainly!

I beg to differ,the amount raised could easily dwarf any standard political fundraiser by a large margin.The same sentiment that motivate people to willingly kill and die in  a foreign land for a cause they believed in would similarly drive people to sacrifice material wealth for it, especially if they couldn't be there themselves for some reason("your money keep these heroes alive.You are their armour." mantra) .

I'd imagine they could be something like crowdfounding event:"We need to meet this goal of donation to keep this much boot on the ground/this level of offensive".