Topic: Bitcoin vs. War: Can Bitcoin Reduce Wars? - page 4. (Read 15763 times)

I don't think anyone is insinuating that Bitcoin will stop all violence and skirmishes. The argument being made is that state actors cannot use deflationary currencies as a tool to socialize/amortize the costs of large scale wars.

Demanding war and socializing the costs is one thing, but what would happen if everyone used Bitcoin instead of Government fiat, and thus governments would need to propose legislation to fund a war through bonds or taxes instead of simply inflating the monetary supply? From what I understand about human nature we tend to be selfish and hypocrites who prefer other people to pay for our wishes and often have higher priorities than war to spend our bitcoins on.

What we are also proposing is that the adoption of any crypto-currency which makes it more difficult for states to tax and regulate also makes funding such wars more difficult as well.

One argument that would be valid against my position is if state governments consistently become proficient at stealing the private keys as they have done a few times in the past than Bitcoin could be used to fund their adventures. Hopefully, hardware wallets and multi-sig will assist in deterring these unethical actions committed by states.

Most definitely shows how naive and out of touch with reality some bitcoin supporters are. Bitcoin will do nothing to stop "popular" wars.There are quite so many cases where war were actually "demanded" the the majority of the populace.

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Most gods I have read about tend to be petty warmongers...but who knows maybe they have grown up and don't need continuous groveling and worship to boost their easily offended egos.

the only thing that will end war forever is the kingdom of god ruling over the earth.

Bitcoin Reduce Wars? I think it is impossible.

Most modern wars are fought over, in part some kind of resource that is not fiat based (but the resource can be converted to fiat). Oil and other kinds of energy is a "popular" resource to fight over. In these cases it is not only about the resource, but also the ability to control energy which allows the country to further use it's war machine (as the military uses a lot of energy).

There really aren't many currency wars these days (Ukraine, arguably, if you're around NWO theorists), but maybe Bitcoin can reduce the number of countries the USG sanctions and otherwise "discretely" punishes. Though, countries allegedly trying to undermine the USD (and/or USG) would probably just put that effort in other programs attempting to achieve the same outcome (assuming those countries aren't placated by a dethroned USD, assuming global BTC dominance), so they'd probably just be sanctioned for that.

Assuming Bitcoin increases productivity and efficiency, I guess it'd indirectly lead to bigger and bloodier wars in a sense -- more resources we can use to destroy. OTOH, a war could become MAD even without nukes if all a country has to do to grind an economy to a stop is to destroy Internet infrastructure (at least as international connections exists, where it's not very decentralized). That'd assume Bitcoin naturally leads to greatly expanded international and online trade which virtually every country is reliant on, which seems fairly reasonable to me.

I think yes because BTC is Money
and money can control everything, and I believe it
but depends also human, if human beings do not have a sense of humanity would be difficult to reconcile invited
it's just my opinion 

I seriously doubt that Bitcoin by itself can end war. Humans are good at finding reasons to fight and war isn't even entirely about resources anymore. I saw a political cartoon recently where two aliens were leaving Earth and one of them tells the other, "As far as I can tell, they're fighting over which religion is the most peaceful." Cryptocurrencies are a good thing in the sense that people who actually produce useful goods and services can keep more of the money they earn without the bean counters at big banks getting in the way, but cryptocurrencies won't stop human weaknesses like greed.

In this thread: People who don't know jack shit about human nature giving advice to the rest of us in the form of videogame quotes.

Try reading a book for once.

Many of the early bag holders are Nouveau riche.

Not when we have a lot of people at the top owning tons of BTC while 99% of people don't even own 1 BTC. The struggle will go on for what seems forever.

If we follow your reasoning -- Ideology being the greatest motivator for war; which I will grant for this thought experiment as there is some basis for it(Maslow's hierarchy of needs.), than you have to understand that everyone has unique Ideologies. Any conversation with a person at length will clearly indicates that while they may be herded like sheep for a cause by a demagogue they have their own unique philosophical beliefs as well and selfish motivations. Demagogue's are powerful with the tool of fiat because they can socialize and amortize the costs of war. If Bitcoin is pervasive, demagogue's will have a more difficult time extracting large pools of funds so easily to fund wars because convincing their followers to go along with their specific plan is more difficult when they have to directly fund it.

Sure their may be fractured conflicts of groups of people with different idealogies.. I.E... ALF vegan bitcoin group raising funds to firebomb a Animal research facility, but these will be more tactical and efficient attacks because of their inability to use Fiat to steal the wealth of a whole nation.

I think you guys have it slightly backwards IMO.  You are sort of claiming fiat funds wars which directly causes them.  I would claim wars are caused mostly by religion and fiat is pumped out in efforts to get a leg up and produce more weapons/soldiers etc. 

So if BTC were to replace everything, they would just pump BTC into the war to fund it.

Apart from the funding and inflation aspect anything that promotes internationalisation may help prevent war. It would be silly for America to have a civil war these days for example, with increasing internationalisation war between countries might also become inconceivable. Bitcoin is an international currency so it may promote internationalisation and reduce war. Maybe

Ok that makes sense. Thanks for the informative answer

You don't think there will be bitcoin bank in the future?

Some exchanges right now are acting like bank and offering interest for bitcion.

Reduction can be seen if the costs of waging the war are higher than the profits realized by a group of people. Wars will continue if their is some perceived realized gain economically, geopolitical, or ideologically. Bitcoin makes enforcing taxes and inflation by violence and coercion more difficult. Do you think most humans would rather spend their money on themselves or to pay for their family members ammo in attacking a village?

The reason 99% of people constantly break copyright laws by using and downloading music, movies, and software isn't because the copyright owners are content to allow this to happen(The MPAA and RIAA are doing all they can to stop it legally and illegally) but because the costs to enforce such copyrights is higher than the potential money gained from new clients.

Bitcoin was invented primarily by crypto-anarchists in retaliation against corrupt governments and banks using your money to fund economic and physical wars. It allows individuals the option to opt out and  reduce these potential forms of corruption. Just like with copyrights, governments can enforce taxes on bitcoin through investigations and sting operations, but the costs to do this on everyone would be tremendous and unprofitable. The IRS in the US already only targets and audits certain people they believe can extract funding from, bitcoin adds a whole new layer of difficulty in enforcement.

I believe Bitcoin will have a positive effect despite what peoples political opinions are because of the innate reality that we are all selfish to a certain degree. Most people want to socialize the costs of war and have someone else pay for it while they secure their own investments, and bitcoin is a new tool which makes doing so easier. These selfish individual motivations in aggregate will make funding wars much more difficult. The problem for politicians is this tool is open source and free to use by anyone instead of a select group of leaders and thus a tool to empower individuals to make their own economic choices.

Why and how could bitcoin reduce or even stop war? I am sure that if bitcoin was able to stop or prevent war they would have at least tried it by now. There is so much unrest in the world right now and I don't believe for a second that a virtual currency will solve all the issues involving the unrest. As they say money can never solve problems.